Staffing on-call patients

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Do you staff on-call patients with faculty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • No

    Votes: 4 80.0%

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AsympatheticOphthalmia

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What are your thoughts on staffing on-call patients with attendings? Especially early as a first year. Should it be done? Is it necessary? Is it ethical not to do it? Curious how you all do it and what you think about it.
 
I am somewhat suspicious of the fact you made this account today to ask this question, which has potentially litigious implications.

That's fair. I'm using a different username than I normally do out of concern for anonymity. I'm finishing up my PGY 2 year and I'm curious if other programs have an arrangement like ours and how other people feel about it.
 
Agree with dantt... Explain arrangement a bit


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What your arrangement ?
On-call resident sees patient.
Then they sometimes speak with the supervising resident, at the discretion of the on-call resident.
Staff only contacted if open globe, endophthalmitis, and a few other cases. Otherwise staff hears nothing about a case.
It's not an issue later in the year, but early on when residents don't know what they don't know, I'm concerned about the quality of patient care.
 
Hmmm... I mean, many times staff don't get contacted if the resident can handle it. If patients are repeatedly found to be mistreated due to inappropriate backup then maybe it's a valid concern.

I find, at least in my program, that most residents recognize their limitations. Though there are always a few people who overestimate abilities and then when that patient comes to clinic it comes back to bite them...

Are you saying you are having a repeated issue where patients are mismanaged? Or is it just one resident?

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These are the facts of life. The county hospital is a de facto 2 tier system. Would it be better for an attending to see every patient? Sure. Is it feasible and is there enough money in the system to pay for it? No. It is what it is and you make the best of it by staying true to your conscience.


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In my eyes, it is only an ethical concern if the visit is being billed out. Because consults/visits cannot be billed out to insurance without an attending's signature 🙂
 
In an ideal world, every inpatient needs to be staffed by an attending at some point. For serious issues they definitely do at some point, as posters have described above. Straightforward things, however, probably don't need direct attending supervision. As long as the residents are comfortable handling straightforward issue, I don't have a problem with it. From a billing standpoint, it's probably a better use of time to see clinic patients rather than go to the hospital and see patients - you can probably see anywhere from 2-4 patients with the time spent seeing one patient in the hospital (traveling, lining up timing while the patient isn't getting procedures/imaging done, etc.). The best situation is that somehow the patients can come down to the eye clinic if possible; makes it easier and care overall is better.

My opinion about the billing issue is that some consults are probably frivolous and are there just to cover bases medicolegally. It doesn't feel right to bill patients for non-urgent issues in the hospital because they already have a big bill coming to them anyway. IMO, let residents handle non-urgent things, and don't bill the patient for it.
 
My opinion about the billing issue is that some consults are probably frivolous and are there just to cover bases medicolegally. It doesn't feel right to bill patients for non-urgent issues in the hospital because they already have a big bill coming to them anyway. IMO, let residents handle non-urgent things, and don't bill the patient for it.

I guess all academic attendings should just volunteer their time then 🙂 I'm glad I don't have to deal with that nonsense anymore!
 
I dont think a conjunctivitis or corneal foreign body needs to be staffed at 2am which was often the case in my residency. We took care of it and called the upper level resident with questions. Hardly ever called the on call attending unless the upper level resident wasn't sure of something or for truly emergent issues. This type of autonomy is important to residencies and I would fight to keep it.

In terms of billing, not sure even 3/4 of the patients seen in the ER had insurance! But I understand the concern voiced by some
 
I dont think a conjunctivitis or corneal foreign body needs to be staffed at 2am which was often the case in my residency. We took care of it and called the upper level resident with questions. Hardly ever called the on call attending unless the upper level resident wasn't sure of something or for truly emergent issues. This type of autonomy is important to residencies and I would fight to keep it.
Most of the time an appointment was made in the office with the attending the next day.

In terms of billing, not sure even 3/4 of the patients seen in the ER had insurance! But I understand the concern voiced by some
 
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