Step 3 and Moonlighting

[HolisticMed]

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Does anybody know the earliest possible date you can take step 3? I know its during your intern year but just curious how early. Also is it true that as soon as you pass your step 3 you are eligible to moonlight(so long as it is allowed by your institution)? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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[elwademd]

not sure how soon you can take step 3.

no, it is not true that once you pass step 3 that you are eligible to moonlight. it depends on many factors, including state law.

in california for example, you can not apply for your medical license until after your internship year is complete. therefore, no matter how early you take step 3, you will not be moonlighting until after your intern year.

and to tell you the truth, interns shouldn't be moonlighting anyway.

 

[HolisticMed]

Thanks for the reply. More specifically I am referring to New York state. Thanks for your help everyone!

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[tkim]

Most moonlighting jobs require a medical license, which requires taking Step III. In NYS, you need to complete intern year before taking Step III - three years post-grad if you are an IMG:

http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html

 

[tkim]

Hey are you a medical student:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6075827#post6075827

or a PGY2 PMR resident?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6659548#post6659548

 

[HolisticMed]

Thanks tkim for the info and the link..... Interesting follow up question though, what if you were working for a private physician? You said that most moonlighting jobs require a license but what if the private doc only required whatever the minimum legal amount of time was in order for you to be able to legally see patients. Forget about insurance reimbursement. Lets say for example that you would provide medical services and charge patients out of pocket. Do you still have to wait until your intern year is finished in order to do this?

 

[DrMom]

you cannot legally care for patients outside of residency if you do not have a full (non-training) medical license.

 

[MR1]

what if you were working for a private physician? You said that most moonlighting jobs require a license but what if the private doc only required whatever the minimum legal amount of time was in order for you to be able to legally see patients. Forget about insurance reimbursement. Lets say for example that you would provide medical services and charge patients out of pocket. Do you still have to wait until your intern year is finished in order to do this?

That would be called practicing medicine without a license. Yeah they (as in everyone I can think of) frown on that.

 

[Blade28]

To moonlight you usually need:

*Full state medical license
*DEA number (your own, not your residency program's)
*Passing score in USMLE Step 3 (as well as 1, 2 CK, 2 CS)
*Approval from your residency's Program Director

 

[HolisticMed]

When you graduate medical school do you receive your own DEA # or is that your "training" DEA #? Is it your DEA # that allows you to prescribe medicine?

 

[Winged Scapula]

When you graduate medical school do you receive your own DEA # or is that your "training" DEA #? Is it your DEA # that allows you to prescribe medicine?

A personal DEA number requires possession of a full and unrestricted license, an application, a background check and a few hundred dollars. You may be issued a training/institutional DEA # but in general, this is not usable for controlled substances outside of your home institution.

 

[tkim]

When you graduate medical school do you receive your own DEA # or is that your "training" DEA #? Is it your DEA # that allows you to prescribe medicine?

I have some pretty specific questions regarding moonlighting and I'm not quite sure where to find the answer. I am a PM&R resident and would like to moonlight at a family friends chiropractic office doing manipulation, interpreting emg's, exercise rehab etc... I was offered an excellent financial incentive to work here however they will not pay for my malpractice insurance. Does anybody know how much malpractice insurance costs for a pgy-2 resident working in a private practice? Also, I assume that I have the right to accept/bill insurance as a provider even though I am a resident. Am I correct in this assumption? Also, when you do bill insurance for the care that you provided, is the insurance reinbursing you as a physiatrist or as a general practitioner. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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I'm confused. Are you a med student or a resident?