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So basically the top places.

Does this seem to hold true for most of the subspecialities other than IR?
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
So basically the top places.

Does this seem to hold true for most of the subspecialities other than IR?
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yes.

IR requires the opposite of what a strong DR program needs. DR needs strong surgical programs to attract the pathology. IR needs weak surgical programs so they don't get out-muscled for procedures.
 
What are the best programs in the Midwest for Neuro and MSK?
 
Idk about MSK but I've heard Wisconsin, MIR, and CCF are pretty good for neuro. CCF still has interventional neurorads fellowship and they are trained alongside neurosurgeons/learn the clinical aspect as well as the imaging/procedures.
 
Mayo has very strong MSK and Neuro according to their residents
 
How are Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana for neuro and MSK? Have some family in the Michigan area so i'm looking for programs in the area. Also looking at Henry Ford, Beaumont, DMC, Cincinnati and Cleveland Clinic.
 
Michigan is good for neuro. The good MSK programs tend to be on the coasts.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
Michigan is good for neuro. The good MSK programs tend to be on the coasts.
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The problem with the "shared" account is nobody knows who is posting.

I disagree with your statement about MSK. The best MSK programs are Wisconsin (not on the coast), UCSD, MGH, Michigan (not on the coast), MIR, HSS, TJ and probably Stanford.
 
HSS is really strong in MSK. But I noticed that many NYC residents, including those from Cornell, often choose NYU for MSK fellowship. Is there any reason?
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
HSS is really strong in MSK. But I noticed that many NYC residents, including those from Cornell, often choose NYU for MSK fellowship. Is there any reason?
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Have been told HJD is the place to be for msk. Forget which program, but some program was bragging about their resident going there for MSK.
 
MSK

East coast: MGH, BWH, HSS, NYU, Penn, TJU
West coast: UW, UCSF, Stanford, UCLA, UCSD
 
Top places for body?

If we're just turning this thread into a general fellowship list
 
This is so hilarious. But I think doximity's ranking based on fellowship is probably more legitimate than subjective opinions from anonymous posts.
 
Multiple anonymous mostly fourth years posting rankings, useful stuff.

Problem with ranking subspecialties and fellowships is that it depends on what you're looking for. It's rare for divisions to be strong in everything. Just look for a fellowship that compliments your residency experience.

Body: Diagnostics vs Interventions Mix
MSK: MR vs Procedures vs. US mix.
Neuro: MR case mix vs. procedures.
 
DrBowtie said:
Multiple anonymous mostly fourth years posting rankings, useful stuff.

Problem with ranking subspecialties and fellowships is that it depends on what you're looking for. It's rare for divisions to be strong in everything. Just look for a fellowship that compliments your residency experience.

Body: Diagnostics vs Interventions Mix
MSK: MR vs Procedures vs. US mix.
Neuro: MR case mix vs. procedures.
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I mean I think we'd all prefer resident/attending responses, but there seems to be a dearth of them on this board.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
I mean I think we'd all prefer resident/attending responses, but there seems to be a dearth of them on this board.
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You could talk to the staff at your home programs. They are great resources and often know and have connections at other programs. Might as well get used to this type of networking because it's often how fellowships and jobs are landed.
 
DrBowtie said:
You could talk to the staff at your home programs. They are great resources and often know and have connections at other programs. Might as well get used to this type of networking because it's often how fellowships and jobs are landed.
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I've tried, they were certainly helpful in terms of picking places to apply to. It seems a little more sensitive now that its rank list time, and I feel like there's some conflict of interest and I'm also applying there. Wish it wasn't the case, but feel like my home program is a bit gossipy.
 
I am a resident. I'm trying to tell you something but these other guys keep on drowning me out.
 
For body fellowship, the diagnostics component at majority of the top programs are the same. There are only so few ways to read a CT or MR.

However, the procedures differ greatly for the following reason. IR and body procedures overlap. At some places, IR does biopsies and drains. At other places, body does them. For body fellowship, a place like MGH or BWH that does the biopsies, drains, and ablations (instead of IR doing them) will help you stand out when looking for a job.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
For body fellowship, the diagnostics component at majority of the top programs are the same. There are only so few ways to read a CT or MR.

However, the procedures differ greatly for the following reason. IR and body procedures overlap. At some places, IR does biopsies and drains. At other places, body does them. For body fellowship, a place like MGH or BWH that does the biopsies, drains, and ablations (instead of IR doing them) will help you stand out when looking for a job.
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Not sure about this part. Since you can not take IR call, knowing how to put in a drain or nephrostomy tube is not going to be very marketable.

For biopsies, you should be able to do them by the end of residency.
 
Radiologyreviews2015 said:
For body fellowship, the diagnostics component at majority of the top programs are the same. There are only so few ways to read a CT or MR.

However, the procedures differ greatly for the following reason. IR and body procedures overlap. At some places, IR does biopsies and drains. At other places, body does them. For body fellowship, a place like MGH or BWH that does the biopsies, drains, and ablations (instead of IR doing them) will help you stand out when looking for a job.
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Body MR volume varies widely. A body guy is unlikely to be doing ablations in PP and as below biopsies and drains are residency skills.

shark2000 said:
Not sure about this part. Since you can not take IR call, knowing how to put in a drain or nephrostomy tube is not going to be very marketable.

For biopsies, you should be able to do them by the end of residency.
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Agree. Whether or not you can take angio call is what makes the IR guys valuable.
 
100% correct.

This notion that knowing how to do biopsies or drains will help you get a job is not entirely true.

First, most jobs don't assume you know how to do something just because you trained at X institution. If they are looking for this skill, they will call your references and confirm what you are capable of doing.

Second, hospital credentialing committees are trending toward requiring subspecialty certification to get hospital privileges. Don't get me wrong, there's many non-IR trained people who do drains and minor IR procedures, but that generation is getting phased out - especially with the growing number of IR graduates (200+/yr).

Lastly, as Shark pointed out, unless you're taking IR call, being able to put a drain or neph tube in won't help your job prospects. Ie, if you're taking IR call, you better be able to do all IR emergencies: subselect and embolize arteriae recta branches in a lower GI bleed, perform a TIPS, pulmonary artery thrombolysis, etc. Not just do an abscess.


shark2000 said:
Not sure about this part. Since you can not take IR call, knowing how to put in a drain or nephrostomy tube is not going to be very marketable.

For biopsies, you should be able to do them by the end of residency.
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