Student conduct question

[deleted1193855]

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Hi
I have a dorm guest policy violation and let my guest stay for an extra 3 days in my dorm beyond what was allowed ( because he had nowhere else to stay) and the guest disrupted students around him. Unfortunately they said it will go on my student conduct record but not transcript. Will med schools care greatly about this if i explain?
Thanks

 

[AJS59]

Hi
I have a dorm guest policy violation and let my guest stay for an extra 3 days in my dorm beyond what was allowed ( because he had nowhere else to stay) and the guest disrupted students around him. Unfortunately they said it will go on my student conduct record but not transcript. Will med schools care greatly about this if i explain?
Thanks

No. Be sure to report it of course and give an appropriate explanation but adcoms will bat their eyes at this and move on. Undergrad deans love issuing student conduct issues for many dumb things.

 

[deleted1193855]

No. Be sure to report it of course and give an appropriate explanation but adcoms will bat their eyes at this and move on. Undergrad deans love issuing student conduct issues for many dumb things.

Thank you

 

[deleted1193855]

@Goro @LizzyM How can i explained this?

 

[Goro]

@Goro @LizzyM How can i explained this?

Tell the truth and own it.

 

[deleted1193855]

Tell the truth and own it.

Ok will do

 

[GoSpursGo]

@Goro @LizzyM How can i explained this?

Agree with above, just own it.

FWIW... this is an excellent illustration of why this guest policy exists. While you were trying to be nice and help someone who "had nowhere else to stay," you are taking responsibility for that person's conduct. Other students should be able to live in their dorms and not have their lives disrupted. So while I don't think this is a fatal mistake that will prevent you from getting accepted to medical school, I also would not blow this off as a frivolous unreasonable punishment.

 

[deleted1193855]

Agree with above, just own it.

FWIW... this is an excellent illustration of why this guest policy exists. While you were trying to be nice and help someone who "had nowhere else to stay," you are taking responsibility for that person's conduct. Other students should be able to live in their dorms and not have their lives disrupted. So while I don't think this is a fatal mistake that will prevent you from getting accepted to medical school, I also would not blow this off as a frivolous unreasonable punishment.

Alright makes sense

 

[deleted1193855]

Agree with above, just own it.

FWIW... this is an excellent illustration of why this guest policy exists. While you were trying to be nice and help someone who "had nowhere else to stay," you are taking responsibility for that person's conduct. Other students should be able to live in their dorms and not have their lives disrupted. So while I don't think this is a fatal mistake that will prevent you from getting accepted to medical school, I also would not blow this off as a frivolous unreasonable punishment.

What explanation should i give? Should i say i just signed him in so he had a place to stay and didnt intentionally want him to disturb others, and immediately signed him out once i found out?

 

[GoSpursGo]

What explanation should i give? Should i say i just signed him in so he had a place to stay and didnt intentionally want him to disturb others, and immediately signed him out once i found out?

I feel like students often fall over themselves to try and cast their actions and the consequences in a way that minimizes their fault, and that is more off-putting than the actual offense in the first place. I don't think anyone is going to read this and feel like this is evidence that you would be a bad doctor. Just be factual and own your mistake.

"During college I received a student conduct violation for allowing a visitor to stay in my dorm room for 3 days longer than was allowed. This was reported when my guest caused disruptions for other students. While I was trying to be kind in providing a place to stay for my guest, who at the time had no where else to go, I now understand that my choice negatively impacted the living environment of my fellow students. I learned from this experience and have not had any further conduct violations."

 

[deleted1193855]

I feel like students often fall over themselves to try and cast their actions and the consequences in a way that minimizes their fault, and that is more off-putting than the actual offense in the first place. I don't think anyone is going to read this and feel like this is evidence that you would be a bad doctor. Just be factual and own your mistake.

"During college I received a student conduct violation for allowing a visitor to stay in my dorm room for 3 days longer than was allowed. This was reported when my guest caused disruptions for other students. While I was trying to be kind in providing a place to stay for my guest, who at the time had no where else to go, I now understand that my choice negatively impacted the living environment of my fellow students. I learned from this experience and have not had any further conduct violations."

Thanks, ill do this when i apply in a couple years

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Hi
I have a dorm guest policy violation and let my guest stay for an extra 3 days in my dorm beyond what was allowed ( because he had nowhere else to stay) and the guest disrupted students around him. Unfortunately they said it will go on my student conduct record but not transcript. Will med schools care greatly about this if i explain?
Thanks

The issue is not related to your academic performance, so it would make sense it would not appear on your transcript.

As noted above, there is a reason why there is a guest policy. Seek help from your student conduct dean on how you would disclose this institutional action.

Among so many things, this is minor, but I would be more at-ease knowing you won't be inviting non-med school friends to a slumber party with the organs or cadavers in the anatomy lab after-hours.

 

[deleted1193855]

The issue is not related to your academic performance, so it would make sense it would not appear on your transcript.

As noted above, there is a reason why there is a guest policy. Seek help from your student conduct dean on how you would disclose this institutional action.

Among so many things, this is minor, but I would be more at-ease knowing you won't be inviting non-med school friends to a slumber party with the organs or cadavers in the anatomy lab after-hours.

sounds good

 

[deleted1193855]

The issue is not related to your academic performance, so it would make sense it would not appear on your transcript.

As noted above, there is a reason why there is a guest policy. Seek help from your student conduct dean on how you would disclose this institutional action.

Among so many things, this is minor, but I would be more at-ease knowing you won't be inviting non-med school friends to a slumber party with the organs or cadavers in the anatomy lab after-hours.

thanks

 

[deleted1193855]

Tell the truth and own it.

Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

 

[deleted1193855]

The issue is not related to your academic performance, so it would make sense it would not appear on your transcript.

As noted above, there is a reason why there is a guest policy. Seek help from your student conduct dean on how you would disclose this institutional action.

Among so many things, this is minor, but I would be more at-ease knowing you won't be inviting non-med school friends to a slumber party with the organs or cadavers in the anatomy lab after-
Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

I think that enough time has passed, presuming this is a COVID-related violation.

 

[deleted1193855]

I think that enough time has passed, presuming this is a COVID-related violation.

This happened post covid actually, im still on first gap year btw

 

[Mr.Smile12]

This happened post covid actually, im still on first gap year btw

I would get help from the student conduct office with any IA statements. I don't think this should stop your process to apply.

 

[AJS59]

Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

You're fine. The only situations I'd recommend putting a significantly larger gap of time in would be for academic dishonesty, a Title IX violation, or a significant arrest record.

 

[Goro]

Do you think i should put more time behind it before applying? This happened final sem of
college and im taking 3 gap years

Three gap years will be enough.

 

[deleted1193855]

You're fine. The only situations I'd recommend putting a significantly larger gap of time in would be for academic dishonesty, a Title IX violation, or a significant arrest record.

Ok, the only concern is my guests behavior towards others / bothering them but i did sign him out immediately after finding out

 

[AJS59]

Ok, the only concern is my guests behavior towards others / bothering them but i did sign him out immediately after finding out

Still a lesson learned you can explain. It's not a great thing but its not something that would give a committee member pause per say

 

[GoSpursGo]

Ok, the only concern is my guests behavior towards others / bothering them but i did sign him out immediately after finding out

I would not adjust your application timeline based on this event. Even 6-12 months would I think be plenty of distance, but if you're taking 3 gap years for other reasons that will be more than enough.

 

[deleted1193855]

I would not adjust your application timeline based on this event. Even 6-12 months would I think be plenty of distance, but if you're taking 3 gap years for other reasons that will be more than enough.

ok thanks, yeah its for other reasons like teaching/ research

 

[deleted1193855]

I would not adjust your application timeline based on this event. Even 6-12 months would I think be plenty of distance, but if you're taking 3 gap years for other reasons that will be more than enough

Still a lesson learned you can explain. It's not a great thing but its not something that would give a committee member pause per say

Still a lesson learned you can explain. It's not a great thing but its not something that would give a committee member pause per say

Still a lesson learned you can explain. It's not a great thing but its not something that would give a committee member pause per say

yeah thats what i suspect as well

 

[Goro]

Just to put you at ease, at my school this would not be a deal breaker

 

[deleted1193855]

Just to put you at ease, at my school this would not be a deal breaker

Whew, thanks

 

[LizzyM]

We'd ask ourselves, "would we kick someone out, or put them on probation, if they pulled something like this as a med student?" In all likelihood, no, we would not. Ergo, it is not likely to be an issue in terms of admissions.

 

[deleted1193855]

We'd ask ourselves, "would we kick someone out, or put them on probation, if they pulled something like this as a med student?" In all likelihood, no, we would not. Ergo, it is not likely to be an issue in terms of admissions.

Ok thank you

 

[deleted1193855]

We'd ask ourselves, "would we kick someone out, or put them on probation, if they pulled something like this as a med student?" In all likelihood, no, we would not. Ergo, it is not likely to be an issue in terms of admissions.

My school office said this in a recent email

“with a situation such as the one you are involved in, it depends on the school and how detailed your transcript needs to be. As explained during our chat, they may seek a background check but in gauging the current situation, I do not imagine you will need to disclose it. However, continued issues may raise more of an alarm but I have not seen one situation impacting an admission decision.”

What do you reccomend i do? Should i still disclose?

 

[deleted1193855]

Just to put you at ease, at my school this would not be a deal breaker

My school office said this in a recent email

“with a situation such as the one you are involved in, it depends on the school and how detailed your transcript needs to be. As explained during our chat, they may seek a background check but in gauging the current situation, I do not imagine you will need to disclose it. However, continued issues may raise more of an alarm but I have not seen one situation impacting an admission decision.”

What do you reccomend i do? Should i still disclose?

 

[AJS59]

My school office said this in a recent email

“with a situation such as the one you are involved in, it depends on the school and how detailed your transcript needs to be. As explained during our chat, they may seek a background check but in gauging the current situation, I do not imagine you will need to disclose it. However, continued issues may raise more of an alarm but I have not seen one situation impacting an admission decision.”

What do you reccomend i do? Should i still disclose?

Ask them if it appears on your records (as in check with your dean to ask if your student conduct record has any possible chance of transmission). That being said, there is no risk in choosing to disclose it, while there is some risk in choosing not to.

 

[deleted1193855]

Ask them if it appears on your records (as in check with your dean to ask if your student conduct record has any possible chance of transmission). That being said, there is no risk in choosing to disclose it, while there is some risk in choosing not to.

Alright ill get in touch w them, thanks

 

[deleted1193855]

Ask them if it appears on your records (as in check with your dean to ask if your student conduct record has any possible chance of transmission). That being said, there is no risk in choosing to disclose it, while there is some risk in choosing not to.

Yeah if i have to i will i dont wanna risk it tbh

 

[LizzyM]

My school office said this in a recent email

“with a situation such as the one you are involved in, it depends on the school and how detailed your transcript needs to be. As explained during our chat, they may seek a background check but in gauging the current situation, I do not imagine you will need to disclose it. However, continued issues may raise more of an alarm but I have not seen one situation impacting an admission decision.”

What do you reccomend i do? Should i still disclose?

Your school office is poorly informed about what is required for medical school admission. (No surprise there.) The 2025 AMCAS Applicant Guide, (page 20, which is page 28 of the pdf) spells it out:

Institutional Action

If you were ever the recipient of any institutional action by any college or medical school for unacceptable academic performance or conduct violation, you must answer Yes to the question about institutional action, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment or require you to withdraw. Furthermore, select Yes even if the action does not appear on, or has been deleted or expunged from, your official transcripts as a consequence of institutional policy or personal petition. Examples of institutional actions include, but are not limited to, academic probation, academic standing warnings, suspension, residence hall policy violations, and ethics policy violations.

Failure to provide an accurate answer to the question about institutional action or, if applicable, failure to complete the form provided by the school may result in an investigation. The AMCAS program will report institutional actions listed on your transcript, regardless of whether you report them on your application. Medical schools require you to answer the question accurately and provide all relevant information. Medical schools understand that many individuals learn from the past and emerge stronger as a result. disclosure will enable medical schools to evaluate the information more effectively within the context of your application.

If you become the subject of an institutional action after certifying and submitting the AMCAS application, you are required to inform your designated medical school(s) within 10 business days of the date of the occurrence.

If you select Yes you were a recipient of an institutional action, you will be prompted to select an institutional action category from the drop-down (“conduct,” “academic,” or “both”).

 

[LizzyM]

This isn't likely to affect the likelihood of your being admitted to medical school but you MUST report it.

 

[deleted1193855]

This isn't likely to affect the likelihood of your being admitted to medical school but you MUST report it.

Ok sounds good, i’ll report it and move on

 

[Goro]

My school office said this in a recent email

“with a situation such as the one you are involved in, it depends on the school and how detailed your transcript needs to be. As explained during our chat, they may seek a background check but in gauging the current situation, I do not imagine you will need to disclose it. However, continued issues may raise more of an alarm but I have not seen one situation impacting an admission decision.”

What do you reccomend i do? Should i still disclose?

You have to disclose it no matter what your school says. Your application forms will say disclose any institutional actions whether or not are on your transcript or not. Failing to do so could mean any acceptances would be rescinded, or even having you dismissed after you matriculate

 

[deleted1193855]

You have to disclose it no matter what your school says. Your application forms will say disclose any institutional actions whether or not are on your transcript or not. Failing to do so could mean any acceptances would be rescinded, or even having you dismissed after you matriculate

Ok i will report them, thanks!

 

[GoSpursGo]

Agree with above--disclose

 

[allseasons]

tbh, how detailed is the report? My friend had a conduct violation for an overnight guest, and on his AMCAS, he just wrote that he forgot to sign the guest out even though the guest left within the time frame so it became a report. It basically made it seem like an "accident" even though it was not. If the official report doesn't indicate any proof that the guest stayed you can probably do something similar.

 

[GoSpursGo]

tbh, how detailed is the report? My friend had a conduct violation for an overnight guest, and on his AMCAS, he just wrote that he forgot to sign the guest out even though the guest left within the time frame so it became a report. It basically made it seem like an "accident" even though it was not. If the official report doesn't indicate any proof that the guest stayed you can probably do something similar.

At baseline this is already not something that the OP really needs to worry about. The cover up would definitely look worse than the actual crime.

 

[deleted1193855]

At baseline this is already not something that the OP really needs to worry about. The cover up would definitely look worse than the actual crime.

yeah lol ive moved on tbh im just reporting it and calling it a day

 

[deleted1193855]

tbh, how detailed is the report? My friend had a conduct violation for an overnight guest, and on his AMCAS, he just wrote that he forgot to sign the guest out even though the guest left within the time frame so it became a report. It basically made it seem like an "accident" even though it was not. If the official report doesn't indicate any proof that the guest stayed you can probably do something similar.

not at all detailed lol but regardless ima report