Student Social Fees?

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Hi all,

My class officers have decided that we have to pay 75 dollars per semester in social fees (not in the student budget and not certified) to go to student socials throughout the year.

My problem with this is that I don't see why they need 6000 dollars a semester to plan 'social events'! I see no problem getting together and having a beer and playing darts... Would you pay this to hang out with your fellow classmates (most of them are hippies anyway but I'm giving them a chance).

Thanks.
 
Hi all,

My class officers have decided that we have to pay 75 dollars per semester in social fees (not in the student budget and not certified) to go to student socials throughout the year.

My problem with this is that I don't see why they need 6000 dollars a semester to plan 'social events'! I see no problem getting together and having a beer and playing darts... Would you pay this to hang out with your fellow classmates (most of them are hippies anyway but I'm giving them a chance).

Thanks.

I would probably strangle my class reps if they levied a new expense on us on top of what we already have to pay. I think a more reasonable approach is to plan some kind of class formal, and then charge $50 (or whatever is needed) to attend. That way, only those interested in going to social events have to pay, and even then its optional. There are people in my class, who no matter what kind of event it is, aren't going to come out unless attendance is taken and it counts towards their grade; I dont think they should have to pay for social events that they'll never attend.
 
I think a $75 fee is reasonable, and by making it an official fee, you may be eligible for financial aid that you otherwise wouldn't have been eligible for. I assume that this fee will be used for things like a match day party, orientation social outings etc. If you actually add it all up, sounds reasonable to me.
 
Hi all,

My class officers have decided that we have to pay 75 dollars per semester in social fees (not in the student budget and not certified) to go to student socials throughout the year.

My problem with this is that I don't see why they need 6000 dollars a semester to plan 'social events'! I see no problem getting together and having a beer and playing darts... Would you pay this to hang out with your fellow classmates (most of them are hippies anyway but I'm giving them a chance).

Thanks.

I am sure that I am in your class. Yes it's BS, and I don't intend to pay it. PM me if you're curious. I am not the only one. It is not official, and I can't find anything that allows them to charge me a fee.
 
if they're going to make it part of the financial aid and student accounts package that's one thing. most schools have some sort of student fees that funds the SGA and library use and fund the gym and such... you can get loans for it as part of your financial aid package. however if it's just this $75 that they're going to collect out of your pocket. that's a bunch of crock and I wouldn't pay it.... Personally, I am married and don't really attend a lot of the student social events, because they're mainly drinking events and i'm not super into that scene. i'm not going to pay for something that I'm not going to go to. however if i wanted to pay $50 for a formal event or something like that, that's my choice.
 
if they're going to make it part of the financial aid and student accounts package that's one thing. most schools have some sort of student fees that funds the SGA and library use and fund the gym and such... you can get loans for it as part of your financial aid package. however if it's just this $75 that they're going to collect out of your pocket. that's a bunch of crock and I wouldn't pay it.... Personally, I am married and don't really attend a lot of the student social events, because they're mainly drinking events and i'm not super into that scene. i'm not going to pay for something that I'm not going to go to. however if i wanted to pay $50 for a formal event or something like that, that's my choice.

This is exactly my point.

P.S. We already pay an SG fee that is official. The $75 is extra.
 
So, this is the response I got from our class officer, I think its quite innappropriate. Oh, and by the way, the fee is not stated anywhere-- they made it up on the spot and then called it mandatory.

I am amazed by people's stupidity! Does this warrant a meeting with the administration?

(Names and other identifying info have been omitted)

Dear friends:
Thanks to all of you who succesfully payed your dues this past week. It has been quite lucrative. However, there is an outstanding number of persons who have yet to pay their class fees, and our Halloween bash(one of largest expense of year) is rapidly approaching. For this reason, I am asking that all of you pay the fee by friday the 13th.
It has recently come to my attention that a few persons of the class don't particularly want to participate in this mandatory fee stating a variety of reasons why they shouldnt have to pay. I would like to take a brief moment to dispel some of the misconceptions Ive been hearing. Primarily I would like to state that this is a mandatory fee regardless of whether you want your class tshirt, want to use lounge supplies, want to come to our parties, want to contribute to supplementary expense for the funerals of our cadavers, to school BBQs, and orientation activies for next year, or whatever else it may be. In this great country we live in, we all must pay national taxes. The majority of this does not go directly to things we may use. Interstates are worked on and repaired all over the nation, often using our money. Is it fair that these roads are built with the help of us when it is likely we will never see or use these? The answer is yes, because our taxes our going to the bettering of our nation. Analogolously, these fees are going to our class to provide for the things we need and to better a variety aspects of our medical educations. Therefore any individuals who are not participating in class activities a will not be excluded from any portion of the fees. I apologize for being so uncompromising with this, but I've discussed this issue throughly with last years class officers, who I might mention had no problems collecting all class dues.
Not drinking alcohol is not an exception to any portion of the class fees. Any of the big parties we have, where we must reserve a venue will typically have a minimum bar tab. Therefore, those who are not drinking will not be contributing to the fulfillment of this tab, nor will their non-drinking friends. If we do not meet this minimum tab we will be forced to actually take out of our funds to fulfill this requirment. In other words, not drinking actually may suck funds out of our class account. I am in no way endorsing the consumption of alcohol to help meet this fee, but simply emphasizing the fact that individuals not drinking should not be entitled to lower fees.
We have families in our class, along with the rest of us, who are accruing large debts while going to school, and still supporting their family who have had no issues paying this fee. But alas, there may be extenuating circumstance that I am not aware of. If this is the case with anybody, I would ask you to please set up a meeting with me, and we can discuss some sort of payment plan that will accomodate your tight budgets. It seems ridiculous to have to explicitly state, but if you dont have these fees because you opted to not taken out loans, this is also not an excuse. If your in this category I would ask you to reflect on the rest of us who were forced to take out loans and now are already 30000 dollars or more in debt than you are, and then decide if a 75 dollar accrument of debt will really be catastrophic.
Lastly, if you are seriously interested in doing some type of fundraising in order to fulfill your fees. You are fully allowed to do this, but the fact of the matter is that schoolwork is enough of a workload for the most of us as it is, and fundraising may not sound like the most valuable way to spend your time. However, if this time is not valuable to you as the 75$ please send me an email. I will collect the number of people who would like to do this and set up a meeting with them so they can discuss some ways to raise their fees. The Class vice president has kindly offered to pay anybody who might be interested in fundraising at his house: he will be offering money for chores completed at his house.or other small favors. If you think I'm joking, I assure you he would pay your for doing any of this work. So that's always an option.
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So, this is the response I got from our class officer, I think its quite innappropriate. Oh, and by the way, the fee is not stated anywhere-- they made it up on the spot and then called it mandatory.

I am amazed by people's stupidity! Does this warrant a meeting with the administration?

(Names and other identifying info have been omitted)

That is the funniest thing I have ever read. Analogolously?

I would reply saying that you are not paying and they are welcome to use all of their class officerly powers to compel you to do so. Oh wait, they don't have any. :laugh:
 
Holy crap, can you say ego trip much. That had me laughing so loud my rabbits started running around their cage in circles. That letter would absolutely make me not pay them, even if I'd been planning to before. What a pompous bastard!
 
Wow. Have they ever heard of something called a "vote?" Did a few people in your class decide this entirely on their own or did they discuss it with any administrators first?
 
Wow. Have they ever heard of something called a "vote?" Did a few people in your class decide this entirely on their own or did they discuss it with any administrators first?

Seriously. The student govt. at my school wanted to institute a similar $75 fee to go towards all of our student groups so that they wouldn't have to do fundraisers every other week. They put it to a vote and were disappointed in the >90% vote against instituting additional mandatory fees.

The moral of the story here: don't mess with med student money. We've had enough of that crap with AMCAS, USMLE, and ERAS fees, not to mention the looming prospect of paying a quarter-million dollars in loan money. We don't need our fellow students trying to dick us out of money as well.
 
Wow. Have they ever heard of something called a "vote?" Did a few people in your class decide this entirely on their own or did they discuss it with any administrators first?

It's not an issue of voting, as this is apparently not a duly authorized legislative body permitted to levy taxes (which is what it is if they are comparing themselves to the US government building interstate highways). Unless they can show you something from the school that this is an official school mandated charge, it's foolery -- If the school wanted to charge you more, that would perhaps be different, as they likely have the contractual right to change tuition. Whoever wrote that letter would get laughed out of any constitutional law class -- good thing they chose medicine over law.
 
It's not an issue of voting, as this is apparently not a duly authorized legislative body permitted to levy taxes (which is what it is if they are comparing themselves to the US government building interstate highways). Unless they can show you something from the school that this is an official school mandated charge, it's foolery -- If the school wanted to charge you more, that would perhaps be different, as they likely have the contractual right to change tuition. Whoever wrote that letter would get laughed out of any constitutional law class -- good thing they chose medicine over law.

I guess I didn't mean vote for whether or not they had to fork over $75 each, but for precisely what they were involuntarily funding. If most of the class doesn't want a social budget for themselves, then the people in charge may consider taking that hint. I have a feeling if anything like this got pulled at my school, it would definitely turn out as it did at DoctorFunk's school. We party hard, but we party on our own terms. In fact, our Dean's Council, which is basically a student government, isn't allowed to fund any events in which people would be required to pay for admission, mostly because we understand that people have zero money. It sounds to me like that's precisely where this is going - that people who perhaps decided to buy a book instead of handing over $75 to a few "leaders" in the class wouldn't be as welcome at social events as those who happen to have fatter wallets.
 
So, this is the response I got from our class officer, I think its quite innappropriate. Oh, and by the way, the fee is not stated anywhere-- they made it up on the spot and then called it mandatory.

I am amazed by people's stupidity! Does this warrant a meeting with the administration?

(Names and other identifying info have been omitted)

Dear friends:
Thanks to all of you who succesfully payed your dues this past week. It has been quite lucrative. However, there is an outstanding number of persons who have yet to pay their class fees, and our Halloween bash(one of largest expense of year) is rapidly approaching. For this reason, I am asking that all of you pay the fee by friday the 13th.
It has recently come to my attention that a few persons of the class don't particularly want to participate in this mandatory fee stating a variety of reasons why they shouldnt have to pay. I would like to take a brief moment to dispel some of the misconceptions Ive been hearing. Primarily I would like to state that this is a mandatory fee regardless of whether you want your class tshirt, want to use lounge supplies, want to come to our parties, want to contribute to supplementary expense for the funerals of our cadavers, to school BBQs, and orientation activies for next year, or whatever else it may be. In this great country we live in, we all must pay national taxes. The majority of this does not go directly to things we may use. Interstates are worked on and repaired all over the nation, often using our money. Is it fair that these roads are built with the help of us when it is likely we will never see or use these? The answer is yes, because our taxes our going to the bettering of our nation. Analogolously, these fees are going to our class to provide for the things we need and to better a variety aspects of our medical educations. Therefore any individuals who are not participating in class activities a will not be excluded from any portion of the fees. I apologize for being so uncompromising with this, but I've discussed this issue throughly with last years class officers, who I might mention had no problems collecting all class dues.
Not drinking alcohol is not an exception to any portion of the class fees. Any of the big parties we have, where we must reserve a venue will typically have a minimum bar tab. Therefore, those who are not drinking will not be contributing to the fulfillment of this tab, nor will their non-drinking friends. If we do not meet this minimum tab we will be forced to actually take out of our funds to fulfill this requirment. In other words, not drinking actually may suck funds out of our class account. I am in no way endorsing the consumption of alcohol to help meet this fee, but simply emphasizing the fact that individuals not drinking should not be entitled to lower fees.
We have families in our class, along with the rest of us, who are accruing large debts while going to school, and still supporting their family who have had no issues paying this fee. But alas, there may be extenuating circumstance that I am not aware of. If this is the case with anybody, I would ask you to please set up a meeting with me, and we can discuss some sort of payment plan that will accomodate your tight budgets. It seems ridiculous to have to explicitly state, but if you dont have these fees because you opted to not taken out loans, this is also not an excuse. If your in this category I would ask you to reflect on the rest of us who were forced to take out loans and now are already 30000 dollars or more in debt than you are, and then decide if a 75 dollar accrument of debt will really be catastrophic.
Lastly, if you are seriously interested in doing some type of fundraising in order to fulfill your fees. You are fully allowed to do this, but the fact of the matter is that schoolwork is enough of a workload for the most of us as it is, and fundraising may not sound like the most valuable way to spend your time. However, if this time is not valuable to you as the 75$ please send me an email. I will collect the number of people who would like to do this and set up a meeting with them so they can discuss some ways to raise their fees. The Class vice president has kindly offered to pay anybody who might be interested in fundraising at his house: he will be offering money for chores completed at his house.or other small favors. If you think I'm joking, I assure you he would pay your for doing any of this work. So that's always an option.
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Is that letter for real or did you make it up?!? The person who wrote that actually made it into med school?!?

If I were you and had been considering payment, I would certainly NOT pay after seeing that "letter" (using the term loosely). Just tell the person who wrote it "sorry, English only. I don't speak pompous, self-inflated gibberish. Oh, and I gave at the office, you know, the one that took my tuition check?"
 
Hi all,

My class officers have decided that we have to pay 75 dollars per semester in social fees (not in the student budget and not certified) to go to student socials throughout the year.

My problem with this is that I don't see why they need 6000 dollars a semester to plan 'social events'! I see no problem getting together and having a beer and playing darts... Would you pay this to hang out with your fellow classmates (most of them are hippies anyway but I'm giving them a chance).

Thanks.

Pay the money if you want to attend these social events or don't pay it and stay home. It's your choice. Since your class officers showed poor taste in enacting this fee (pretty steep), you can show some class by either to pay it and attend or not attend. If you want to get together for some beer and darts, then organize that and socialize that way too. Should be room for different kinds of activities paid and free.

You may want to send a carefully worded and polite (the opposite of the demand-payment letter that you received) as to why you will not be paying the fee and not attending the "class-sponsored" events. You can give them the benefit of the doubt as they probably didn't realize that they were being offensive first with the fee and then with the letter demanding payment.
 
I'm kind of insulted by the letter that joker wrote. Especially the words lucrative and analogously. Now I know why "class leaders" get such a bad rap on this board.

1) Your class should have some form of bylaws they ascribe to for everything from how leaders are elected to how and when fees can be enforced. At our school, any fees assessed to the class must be approved by a certain majority. Ask for a copy of the bylaws- as a member, you are entitled to read them. Heck, it may even have a section on how to conduct a new election if you are unsatisfied with the current leadership.

2) There should be a faculty advisor for your group. Meet with this person, letter in hand. While you are at it, I'd quietly speak to your classmates that are also disappointed with this fee. The more in the dean's office, the merrier.

3) I wouldn't dare ask my classmates to shell out money that they will never see returned to them. We busted our butts the first couple years with fundrasing projects so we wouldn't have to burden our classmates with general fees.

4) If they would like to equate themselves with the U.S. gov, ask what kind of protection they will be offering from school crime, terrorism, natural disasters, etc. Also, see if you can get a portion of your fees refunded next year, based on your income. Hey- do they offer health insurance?

5) Offer to wash the vice-president's clothes, then throw a crayon in the dryer.
 
That is the funniest thing I have ever read. Analogolously?

I would reply saying that you are not paying and they are welcome to use all of their class officerly powers to compel you to do so. Oh wait, they don't have any. :laugh:

Exactly. It seems like it'll be pretty amusing to see what this clown president dude comes up with next. 😉
 
*names removed to protect the idiots*
Dear friends and lovers:
Thanks to all of you who succesfully payed your dues this past week. As a reward you get to come over and bang my mom. She's a total tramp and gets into the whole gangb*ng thing. When you're done I will then blow each of you individually and if you have any pets, BRING EM ON! Especially large dogs. Are you a cowboy? Got a horse? MMmmmmm yea. But please, no condoms, I hate the taste. If you think I'm joking, come over to my house and I'll do you BEFORE you pay your dues. So that's always an option.
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I'd tell this ***** to go f*ck himself.seriously....give me his email adress.

And yea I would talk to the administration about this dorks powertrip... you can't make something mandatory after the fact. If the $75 wasn't part of their platform before you voted, then they have no leg to stand on. Send em monopoly money..."Pretend money for a pretend pres"

What a f*ckin tool. :laugh:
 
At my school you either pay full price for class dues and are allowed to attend all events, or you pay nothing and don't attend any. It's all or none.

I understand his point about not lowering the fees for people who will participate in some but not all events or who don't drink alcohol. But they can't force you to pay.

Student government probably gets some funding already from student affairs. This is just for parties, let's not kid ourselves. You can be a member of the class without being a member of its social club, and then you're not allowed to go to parties. You can live in the golf community without being a member of the country club, and then you don't play golf there. If it were really mandatory, it would be in your tuition 🙄 So if you're not going to any class-sponsored socials, DON'T PAY!!!

And make sure this egomaniac doesn't get re-elected...
 
Seriously. The student govt. at my school wanted to institute a similar $75 fee to go towards all of our student groups so that they wouldn't have to do fundraisers every other week. They put it to a vote and were disappointed in the >90% vote against instituting additional mandatory fees.

The moral of the story here: don't mess with med student money. We've had enough of that crap with AMCAS, USMLE, and ERAS fees, not to mention the looming prospect of paying a quarter-million dollars in loan money. We don't need our fellow students trying to dick us out of money as well.

Really? I was informed that the vote was lost by only a few. More like 45%/55% or something. Huh.

I voted for it actually. When I'm gonna be over $200,000 in debt, what's it really gonna matter if the Student Assemby fee goes from $45 to $100. It's money that goes for everything that any student organization does - so a wide range of activities. As a treasurer of an org., I see completely why we could use an increase.

But in the OP's case, it sounds like they already have a fee, and this is something the class officers are trying to charge on the side. Which sounds completely bogus. And that letter? WTF. That would just piss me off more. 👎
 
If you feel like you have to pay, just go to their events and eat all their food. Get your money's worth.
 
😱 Run for class president next year. Your current officers are crazy.
 
Tulane's class officers make everyone pay $200. It is a one time fee in the spring of first year. Everyone pretty much pays it or your not allowed to go to anything that the MSG puts on (block parties, free lunches, and the like). As long as you have a clear purpose for the money I don't have a problem with paying it and neither did anyone else. Plus the Med School government puts on a $20,000 ball/dance/hoopla in the Spring. (Yeah 20 grand!) That is where most of the money goes. It is a really fancy affair. Last year in Houston they rented out the National History Museum--free food, open bar, invites, hall rental...) From what I heard it is suppose to be a pretty big shindig. So as long as the first years every year pays..then everyone from all four years gets to go. Besides, the Med School government gets big time subsidized from the undergerad government so they are always doing things.

I say you suck it up and pay...what is 200 dollars when you are paying 20-40 g's a year in tuition. You be surprised at how many things you med school government will be able to put on with some cash. It will definetly get yuor mind off of things after tests and good way to meet other people too.
 
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Tulane's class officers make everyone pay $200. It is a one time fee in the spring of first year. Everyone pretty much pays it or your not allowed to go to anything that the MSG puts on (block parties, free lunches, and the like). As long as you have a clear purpose for the money I don't have a problem with paying it and neither did anyone else. Plus the Med School government puts on a $20,000 ball/dance/hoopla in the Spring. (Yeah 20 grand!) That is where most of the money goes. It is a really fancy affair. Last year in Houston they rented out the National History Museum--free food, open bar, invites, hall rental...) From what I heard it is suppose to be a pretty big shindig. So as long as the first years every year pays..then everyone from all four years gets to go. Besides, the Med School government gets big time subsidized from the undergerad government so they are always doing things.

I say you suck it up and pay...what is 200 dollars when you are paying 20-40 g's a year in tuition. You be surprised at how many things you med school government will be able to put on with some cash. It will definetly get yuor mind off of things after tests and good way to meet other people too.

But you note that you guys have the option of not paying it and not attending the sponsored events. That's all the OP really wants-the option. And if the option doesn't exist, then this fee should be added to the tuition bill as an official charge, not collected under the table by student government mafia shakedown thugs.
 
OP - It's funny how some think being a president of a bunch of disinterested and/or terminally busy gives them a divine mandate. Isn't it the class president's job to make sure the faculty don't roll over the students, not to screw over their constituents?

I like the line about being ~30k in debt, so another $75 won't hurt. If that's the case, then El Presidente can pay for you, since he won't mind the expense. Those nickle-and-dime expenses add up, and they're the difference between getting a plane ticket home for Christmas or not.

It's cool if a class officer get us a new pop machine, or if they make sure that a lousy lecturer never teaches us again, but a 2-minute speech and 15% of the student vote doesn't makes them better than everyone else.
 
Back in the day when I was in med school...
Our social chair did the same thing. Forget the non-drinkers, the vegeterians, the people with kids who couldn't come to most of the parties at the smokey bars, or if you never went to class and didn't hear about the parties anyway. Either you paid the social dues or your notetaking service was stopped (the notetaking service was a different fee altogether). There was no option to not pay and not go to the socials. Because, after class, you should always want to hang out with the medical students that you spend 12 hours a day with anyway. 🙄
 
I charge a $10 postage fee on all letters received.

Good because I charge $25 for the pleasure of getting a letter from me. And you owe me $5 for each of these posts.

ps This is war! :meanie:
 
I like the line about being ~30k in debt, so another $75 won't hurt.

My favorite was for the MD/PhDs at my school. "Well, you're making money to be here, so of anyone you should pay your dues." :laugh: I just looked at them as any one of a number of people each day who ask me for free money.

Before anyone thinks I'm totally heartless, there was a whole deceitful story to that one too. Same shady tactics used, and it turns out the money really didn't go to the things they said it would, so more money had to be shelled out by the social crowd. I'm glad I didn't pay, and others who did wished they hadn't. Stick to your guns!
 
My favorite was for the MD/PhDs at my school. "Well, you're making money to be here, so of anyone you should pay your dues." :laugh: I just looked at them as any one of a number of people each day who ask me for free money...
Yeah, you're right Neuronix. You're not making money as a mudphud, you're being compensated for the time spent getting the PhD. It's the same way FPs are given loan repayment opportunities - to make it less costly for one to go into a critical, but low-paying area/field. Everyone's still in the red.

I love it how people narrow their perception to suit their need to convince you to go their way.
 
Good because I charge $25 for the pleasure of getting a letter from me. And you owe me $5 for each of these posts.

ps This is war! :meanie:

Fine, but I only pay in conjunction with my $50 per payment remittance fee. I will pay you $5 per post. You will pay me $50 per remittance.


MWAHAHAHAHA. I can't lose:meanie:
 
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