Taking Hard Math 1st-Year

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I'm a first-year at University of Chicago. I'm taking a math class called "Honors Calculus" which is really more like an Introductory Analysis course. It's harder than I expected, and it looks like I might be pulling a B this quarter (we have 3 quarters per academic year). If you're wondering why I took it: I was loosely considering a math major (not any more).

I'm worried this will make med schools (if I apply, I'm just wondering right now) think I'm not smart enough to understand Calculus as most schools teach it. I don't think this is the case; I easily understood HS Calc and got a 5 on the BC test. I feel like I would do very well in a typical undergrad 1st-year-calc course. I also feel that Honors Calculus is not a typical 1st-year-calc course.

Thoughts on how this would affect me?
 
I took Honors Calc I and II at my school and faced a similar conundrum. I took Bs in my best natural subject, and had very little time to focus on other classes so my freshman GPA reflected this.

On the other hand I was able to encounter people who were on another level intelligence wise. Our class was a tight knit group which was preferable to taking a big calc lecture. I felt dumb for the first time in my life, which was good for me. Just realize you need to make up for it if you take B's.
 
yeah one B is going to destroy you freshman year. Seriously alot of people get B's especially freshman year, first semester. Its pretty typical for a freshman to get a couple A's maybe, with a couple B's. Don't sweat it. Im rocking a solid B in my math course right now and im not to worried, worst comes to worst i'll just have to retake it, but im sure i can pull a B. If you get a B- or better, let it go and forget about it, or you can drop it if your one of those pre-meds who think B's are the most evil thing in the world.
 
Bit of an update: the course is almost over and I'm pretty certain of a ~C. Should I just take this P/F and fulfill my pre-med year-o'-math requirement some other way (i.e. with easier courses)?
 
Bit of an update: the course is almost over and I'm pretty certain of a ~C. Should I just take this P/F and fulfill my pre-med year-o'-math requirement some other way (i.e. with easier courses)?

There should be a self-destruct feature for threads where freshmen need SDN's permission before making ANY academic decision.

If you can change to P/F this late in the semester and it'll save you a C and you feel confident you can get A's in other math classes...

Oh never mind.
 
Bit of an update: the course is almost over and I'm pretty certain of a ~C. Should I just take this P/F and fulfill my pre-med year-o'-math requirement some other way (i.e. with easier courses)?
... yes ...
 
Bit of an update: the course is almost over and I'm pretty certain of a ~C. Should I just take this P/F and fulfill my pre-med year-o'-math requirement some other way (i.e. with easier courses)?
How in the world can you still change it to pass/fail in late november? 😕
 
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I went to a quarter-system school that let you drop w/o W up to 3 weeks, drop with W up to week 5, P/F the course at the end of week 9. Note that week 11 = finals week.
 
I realize you guys are kind of bugged about this, but ah well. I searched this time and still couldn't get a consensus about this next question, so...

...I can't change things to P/F, and it's mathematically impossible for me to get anything better than a C- (but I am assured a C-). Is this preferable to a W? I'll be taking a year's worth of post-calc math courses anyway for my major (not counting this current course).
 
a C- is very different from a B, i would consider the W honestly, but it will put pressure on your for the rest of college to not get more than 1ish more W. some schools (cough WashU cough) distinctly place importance on calculus performance.
the main reason i would lean toward the W is that this class will eff up your bpcm gpa for a while
 
I realize you guys are kind of bugged about this, but ah well. I searched this time and still couldn't get a consensus about this next question, so...

...I can't change things to P/F, and it's mathematically impossible for me to get anything better than a C- (but I am assured a C-). Is this preferable to a W? I'll be taking a year's worth of post-calc math courses anyway for my major (not counting this current course).

Hey, I went to U of C and took Analysis my first year (a few years back when they let first years do that based on the math placement test). I feel your pain! I had friends who took Honors Calc and it definitely isn't calculus as most people know it. Anyway, are you sure you're going to get a C or C-? I remember freaking out first quarter because I did bad on both midterms, but ended up with with a final grade better than I had predicted. They do curve a lot. Even if you do end up with a C- though, it's only the first quarter of your first year, so don't despair. Would you still continue taking Honors Calc winter/spring quarter? There're plenty of relatively easier calc classes to take. I'm sure you could do the 130s, 150s and get A's. Also, if you're really concerned about GPA, you could take physics 120s. A few other easier bio classes here and there, and you'll be fine. Hang in there!
 
You guys are freaking out way too much. Slap yourself in the face then think of the ocean. One class won't kill you no matter what you get. Trends and cumulative averages are more important. I failed more than one class freshman year, but did much better later on and was accepted. No one grade will keep you out of med school, within reason.
 
Hey, I went to U of C and took Analysis my first year (a few years back when they let first years do that based on the math placement test). I feel your pain! I had friends who took Honors Calc and it definitely isn't calculus as most people know it. Anyway, are you sure you're going to get a C or C-? I remember freaking out first quarter because I did bad on both midterms, but ended up with with a final grade better than I had predicted. They do curve a lot. Even if you do end up with a C- though, it's only the first quarter of your first year, so don't despair. Would you still continue taking Honors Calc winter/spring quarter? There're plenty of relatively easier calc classes to take. I'm sure you could do the 130s, 150s and get A's. Also, if you're really concerned about GPA, you could take physics 120s. A few other easier bio classes here and there, and you'll be fine. Hang in there!

I'm actually not sure what I get; the only reason I say C- is because a student is guaranteed that grade if he puts forth a good effort (since it's an Honors class, I guess). Right now I have a C- uncurved, but I am wary about the final. It's possible that I'll end up with an uncurved C or C-, but I have no idea how the curve even works, so I guess a better grade is possible.

As for easier classes, I plan on taking 153 next quarter, so that should be easier. And yes, I'm planning on 120s physics (if I take physics here and not, say, over the summer; I took AP Physics B in HS and did well so that seems possible). The only problem there is that I still have to take my year of Bio, Physics, Chem, and O-Chem since I didn't sign up for any of those sequences this year. Unless I become a Bio or Chem major, that sounds pretty difficult w/o summer classes...

BTW they still offer Analysis (and Honors Analysis) to maybe 20 freshmen, and I often see Paul Sally roaming the halls before my Calc class.
 
A C is not a death sentence. Just keep working hard and you'll be fine.
 
I'm actually not sure what I get; the only reason I say C- is because a student is guaranteed that grade if he puts forth a good effort (since it's an Honors class, I guess). Right now I have a C- uncurved, but I am wary about the final. It's possible that I'll end up with an uncurved C or C-, but I have no idea how the curve even works, so I guess a better grade is possible.

As for easier classes, I plan on taking 153 next quarter, so that should be easier. And yes, I'm planning on 120s physics (if I take physics here and not, say, over the summer; I took AP Physics B in HS and did well so that seems possible). The only problem there is that I still have to take my year of Bio, Physics, Chem, and O-Chem since I didn't sign up for any of those sequences this year. Unless I become a Bio or Chem major, that sounds pretty difficult w/o summer classes...

BTW they still offer Analysis (and Honors Analysis) to maybe 20 freshmen, and I often see Paul Sally roaming the halls before my Calc class.

A C- uncurved isn't too bad! Look, I don't want to give you false hope in case it does turn out to be the grade you get, but do you mean you got C/C-s on your midterms uncurved? Cause isn't that usually the class average? And that usually translates to at least a letter grade better. Did your professor tell you what the midterm scores curved would be? All my professors used to list what the curved grades for the midterms would translate into. Also, are you taking into account your homework? That should give you a little boost if you've done all of them. In first quarter of algebra, I got Cs on both midterms, but I did much better on the final, had done all my homework so I ended up getting a B+ in the course. About the final, sometimes I feel that it's actually not as hard as one would think. Mostly b/c I noticed that by then, you know the material better and also b/c they seem to use very similiar type of questions as from the midterm. Anyway I do sympathize with you. Since I took regular Analysis, and the "slower" track of that too (I don't know if they still do this subtle differentiation; same textbook, just slower pace), it might've been easier than Honors Calc, but man, jumping into it my first quarter not having any idea of how to write proofs...it was really hard.

I think you're right that physics 120s will be fairly doable for you, especially since you're good enough in math to place into Honors Calc. Can't comment on gen chem since I didn't take it but when I was there, they only had two sequences, regular versus honors. But now I notice there's a third sequence, which is supposedly geared towards bio majors/pre-meds, so that might be doable. As for Ochem, mmm, yeah it was a lot of work, especially Honors Ochem, but it wasn't impossibly hard. A lot depended on the TA I felt. First two quarters, I had a really good TA who would let us stay later in lab to finish up, let us take prob sets/quizzes (during mandatory prob sessions) home for 80% of the full score if we really couldn't finish the prob, made really helpful study sheets for us, etc. I thought regular OChem wasn't too hard, but just very time consuming, especially lab prep. As for bio, if you're just doing pre-med requirements, you need 1 year's worth of bio right? But do they specify what it has to be? You might be able to get away with some upper level bio courses that are actually easier than intro ones, especially if they don't have labs!

Are you thinking about going straight from undergrad to med school? B/c if you're willing to take a gap year, you could do gen chem 2nd year, ochem 3rd year and physics 4th year. Actually, since you've taken AP physics, if you brush up on your physics, you might even be able to take the MCAT and do well before you actually take physics, so you'd still be able to apply as a senior and go straight to med school after graduation. Otherwise you're gonna have to double up on gen chem + physics or ochem + physics, though I think the latter is much worse. Anyway good luck with everything!
 
Hey aperture, what's up man (or woman)? Anyway, just wanted to stop by and say hi and that I feel your pain since I went to the UofC also. I also got rocked in calculus ... not even honors calculus. It really were those proofs that got me. Anyway dude, I just wanted to offer you encouragement in going through the whole UofC experience. One or two Cs will not kill your chances. I had several myself so don't worry too much about it especially since it's your first year. Just gotta have an upward trend. The UofC is tough and there'll be plenty of really down days but it's doable. The trick is to find a core group of friends that you can really hang with and can help you get through the ****ty days. I personally hated my experience there and I thought the school was NOT conducive for getting into med school. Again, my personal experience. If you have any questions or if you want tips/strats to maneuver through the hell hole of academia that is the UofC I can share with you things I've learned the hard way and may help you not fall into the same hole I did. Aight man, peace.
 
UPDATE: For the record, I got an uncurved B+ on the final and ended up with...an A-. After having what I thought was a C- all quarter. So for any future med-school aspirants going through 160s Calc at UChicago, apparently the curves are nuts.
 
UPDATE: For the record, I got an uncurved B+ on the final and ended up with...an A-. After having what I thought was a C- all quarter. So for any future med-school aspirants going through 160s Calc at UChicago, apparently the curves are nuts.


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OMG I am going to get a B+ Max
Update: OMG I am going to get a B
Update: OMG, Def getting that C....should I withdraw or Caribbean it?
Update: I got an A-........🙄
 
Try taking Analysis b4 talking about "hard math classes" 😎
 
Try taking Analysis b4 talking about "hard math classes" 😎

Hey now, our first quarter focused on fields, sets, and bounds, and was entirely proof-based. Maybe not quite Analysis I, but not really Calculus I either.
 
Hey now, our first quarter focused on fields, sets, and bounds, and was entirely proof-based. Maybe not quite Analysis I, but not really Calculus I either.

when u enter upper div math classes, proof-based is the assumption..
 
takes up a lot of time, esp proof based classes

side note. how come every school i always hear of has such a lenient withdrawal/course policy? you get a W if you drop the class 1 min after 3 days of add/drop along with a WP if you're actually passing the class up to the midterm and then just a WF after that.
 
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