Terason t3200 vs sonosite edge

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Looking for opinions...
Trying to decide on an ultrasound machine.
Anyone have experience with either the terason 3200 or the sonosite edge?
What's the best price you got? Feel free to pm me.
Thanks in advance.

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i have the 3200. it works for me. i think the price went up a few percent right after. i only have the linear probe and got it for 29k.
 
A rep is coming in the next couple weeks with the T3200. I haven't worked with Terason during residency or fellowship. Can anyone compare the image quality with a Phillips, GE, or Sonosite? Thanks
 
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I'm in the same boat. Would be interested to hear people's experiences
 
I have the T3000 and have used the T3200 recently for a bunch of procedures.

I've used the Philips CX50 for two days of procedures.
The CX50 is phenominal. Very expensive. Great image quality. Heavy. I'd get this machine if I could justify the cost.

The T3200 has excellent image quality, not as good as the CX50, but cheaper, lighter, and more tweakable. Lots of parameters to adjust. It runs on windows which is fully accessable, so you can back up your images to the cloud, email them, etc. Basically use your ultrasound machine as a full featured laptop. Which means you can repair and upgrade your machine! Big savings. Also, the screen is excellent with a really strong video card should you wish to hook it up to an external monitor.

The sonosites are fine. They are overpriced. Very durable, however. Not too tweakable. Not geeky enough for me.
 
Do you know if Medicare / Noridian still cover ultrasound - guided knee injections ? Thanks.
 
Thanks Ligament. The CX50 is awesome, but unfortunately don't have the budget. I'm looking forward to seeing the T3200 in person now. I never really liked the Sonosite image quality. Thanks again
 
Does anyone know the pricing on these machines?
 
best some hear is high 28k for one straight probe.
I also saw somewhere a reseller that also sells DME equipment can get a brand new t3200 for closer to 23k.

I think its ridiculous the rep said i should buy the $150 stand as well. Shouldn't that come with something that you just spent 25K+ on??
 
I got a quote for $33k for the T320!! Am I getting sceerewed!?
 
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Bumping the thread to follow up on what machines people ended up getting. I'm looking at Philips CX50 and CX30, Terason t3200, and Mindray M7.
 
from that list, Philips hands down. cx50 is nice
 
Bumping the thread to follow up on what machines people ended up getting. I'm looking at Philips CX50 and CX30, Terason t3200, and Mindray M7.

Oooooh! Get the Terason. Put me down as a reference. I will split the referral kickback with you.
 
Bumping the thread to follow up on what machines people ended up getting. I'm looking at Philips CX50 and CX30, Terason t3200, and Mindray M7.

how much are each of those going for?
 
When I get all the quotes I will post.

Did a head to head demo today of CX30 vs our CX50. Barely perceptible difference in the image quality and ability to add a hockey stick to the 30, can't with the 50. The SPARQ uses the same probes as the CX30.

Hoping to demo the Terason at AAPM.
 
Someone mentioned that the biosound was as good as the CX50 but for half the price. Anyone else have experience with biosound?
 
When I get all the quotes I will post.

Did a head to head demo today of CX30 vs our CX50. Barely perceptible difference in the image quality and ability to add a hockey stick to the 30, can't with the 50. The SPARQ uses the same probes as the CX30.

Hoping to demo the Terason at AAPM.

If anyone's is doing the US workshop at AAPM look me up.
 
If i remember correctly, where i did my fellowship got the biosound for about 26k with 2 probes. We got the terason for close to 28 with a the linear probe, but likely getting the curved soon as our patients hips are deep within a layer of blubber.
 
any new info on the quote comparison??
 
Bumping the thread to follow up on what machines people ended up getting. I'm looking at Philips CX50 and CX30, Terason t3200, and Mindray M7.

When I get all the quotes I will post.

Did a head to head demo today of CX30 vs our CX50. Barely perceptible difference in the image quality and ability to add a hockey stick to the 30, can't with the 50. The SPARQ uses the same probes as the CX30.

Hoping to demo the Terason at AAPM.

I'm looking at the terason t3200 and the mind ray M7, or their Z6.

i have never played with the philips although i have heard great things.

Ive been quoted the terason for around 27k, the m7 around 28, and the Z6 for 18. all with 1 probe

i thought the Z6 had a good image, especially considering the cost but seemed heavy and thick. i like the terason for the portability. it has the mac on it, and otherwise feels like a heavy laptop. i see the benefits of the mac laptop built in for me, but any concerns that this machine is more flimsy due to the 2 independent parts?

I need an US machine that is portable to take with me as a carryon onto the plane. also concerned about durability. thoughts, anyone?

Jay - what'd you end up choosing, and why?
 
Went with the CX30 with curved and linear probes since it was the best at the time for my use. Would seriously look at some of the newer and more portable Sonosite, GE and Terason units that look like tablets. I've only used the Terason version but it was pretty good.

Would only get one if your job is paying for it.

You shouldn't have to truck yours with you to the courses you do. They should be attracting US companies to "demo" for your audience. Let the reps risk breaking the equipment.
 
thanks J.

ballpark, what did that setup run you?

We have vendors show up and I have used M5, Z6, M7, and the new sonosite machine. at the clinic i have a GE machine but it's a little older...

I'm doing my own thing on top of those courses. a few site visits so far, and it's been picking up. I'd like to have my own, but not be walking around with a BMW on my shoulder. I'll look into that terason model that is a tablet. thanks
 
I have the Terason t3300. I previous had the Sonosite mTurbo. The ortho I share space with has the Philips CX50 and the image quality is amazing - but at a price, a BIG one. I think I had better image quality on the Sonosite than the Terason BUT that may have to do with the fact that the Sonosite was point and shoot and there is MUCH more tweakability with the Terason. Perhaps it will improve as I learn to tweak it. The thing that is a real flaw with the Terason is the lack of needle enhancement technology on the curved probe. If you need needle enhancement for anything it is the curved probe. They say it is coming but it hasn't come yet.
 
Low 40s

From what I understand beam steering (needle vis) is only available on linear probes. I'm unaware of any curved probes that can do this.
 
http://www.terason.com/usmart-3200t/
top points:
portable
has needle enhancing software, center mark stearing, color doppler all standard software
touch screen ease of use
one probe can be used for "almost" everything, exception where curvilinear need, LFCN, hips on heavy people other is very utilitarian
If your have limited funds - cost is less than mac version(because the lack of needing the separate laptop) and newer technology with better imaging, your 27k quote seems a bit high, you can negotiate down. I'd have to check our pricing but I am sure it was closer to 20k. Lots of reps for them now, either through treason , RS medical etc. I opted to not pay for "setup fee" its necessary extra cost.
 
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How could you possibly justify buying a $20 US machine right now with reimbursement cratering like it did?
 
to improve accuracy and precision of injections. Already have equipment so I going to still use it when appropriate
 
its not all about the $$$.




oh wait. apparently it is.
It's about trying to survive in a hostile reimbursement environment. If you had $20,000 would you waste it?

$20,000 in a physician practice could be used on lots of things. Could you buy an US machine and lose the majority of the money?

That's okay, if you value doing US and don't mind taking a 5 figure loss on it. Or you could hire a part time employee to improve efficiency (and help more patients). Or rent more space (and see/help more patients), etc, etc. Or give your staff a bonus/reward for good work, or use it to get on board with an EMR/meaningful use. (But if you already have the machine, use it obviously.)

Is your hospital okay with buying you all kinds of equipment they're going to take loss on? If so, that's great for you I suppose but would also explain why so many hospitals are having to shutter their doors.

In reality, if you're not watching the viability of your department and practice, most likely someone in admin is. If it's a drain for too long, they'll shut you and or your department down at some point most likely, not renew your contract, or bring in a new grad who'll do it for cheaper. In fact, I personally know an employed pain MD, who just had a very substantial portion of his/her practice shut down by the not for profit teaching hospital because they found other ways to "financially utilize" the space, as they would so gently and altruistically describe.

It certainly does suck that it has to be this way, since most of if did choose our careers in Medicine when still young, naive pre-meds.
 
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to improve accuracy and precision of injections. Already have equipment so I going to still use it when appropriate
Well, if you have the machine, utilize it obviously. I thought you were talking about investing in a new one.
 
or you can say that it is the right thing to do, even if it does cost $20,000. (i know that some do not believe the US is necessary, that is not the point of this discussion. suffice to say, in some instances it is)

you can talk to hospital admin and tell them that, while it is a money loss, it is the right thing to do, and the best way to take care of patients.


i have an old RFA machine. it uses cathode ray tubes. it is older than the one that Steve has. Radionics RFG3C. when i came on board, i forced admin to buy a Neurotherm. could i have done RFAs with the Radionics? yes of course. in fact, i did a few of them while waiting delivery. but i dont use it now, because it is the right thing to do to use the "new" (now 4 years old) unit.
 
With the current environment I would not buy a machine. Strongly consider leasing a machine with no down payment and low monthly fee. The vendors are desperate.
 
or you can say that it is the right thing to do, even if it does cost $20,000. (i know that some do not believe the US is necessary, that is not the point of this discussion. suffice to say, in some instances it is)

you can talk to hospital admin and tell them that, while it is a money loss, it is the right thing to do, and the best way to take care of patients.


i have an old RFA machine. it uses cathode ray tubes. it is older than the one that Steve has. Radionics RFG3C. when i came on board, i forced admin to buy a Neurotherm. could i have done RFAs with the Radionics? yes of course. in fact, i did a few of them while waiting delivery. but i dont use it now, because it is the right thing to do to use the "new" (now 4 years old) unit.
So for a private practice doctor it is "the right thing" to have $20,000 taken out of his pay to get an US machine, yet you would not allow $20,000 taken out of your paycheck to do the "right thing." Hmm...I see how that works.
 
then that private practice doctor is bending his ethics for the bottom dollar. and who said that i did not offer to pay for the US machine? it sure wasnt me.

the argument with "requiring" ultrasound is a little too nebulous, because honestly while i believe certain injections are much safer when done with ultrasound, there is no concrete EBM that states that it is mandatory.

a better example of doing "the right thing" is, for example, doing cervical epidurals under fluoroscopy. while i have done hundreds of blind epidurals, i would argue that doing blind epidurals is not ethically appropriate, especially cervical. yet we all know that fluoro machines cost money, much more than $20,000.
 
then that private practice doctor is bending his ethics for the bottom dollar. and who said that i did not offer to pay for the US machine? it sure wasnt me.

the argument with "requiring" ultrasound is a little too nebulous, because honestly while i believe certain injections are much safer when done with ultrasound, there is no concrete EBM that states that it is mandatory.

a better example of doing "the right thing" is, for example, doing cervical epidurals under fluoroscopy. while i have done hundreds of blind epidurals, i would argue that doing blind epidurals is not ethically appropriate, especially cervical. yet we all know that fluoro machines cost money, much more than $20,000.
So, you took a $20,000 hit in your salary to get the machine you use?
 
no, i was going to buy a machine, in "exchange" for the hospital buying the clinic a Neurotherm machine. The one i was going to buy was the Mindray at the time. best price point for quality at that time, imo.

turns out, the OR used GE machines and were preparing to put in an order for several US. the hospital added one unit for the pain clinic, and even got a discount (due to volume).
 
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