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asrikrishnan said:
Anyone else having trouble finalizing their rank list through TMDSAS? I'm having trouble figuring out the middle of the list.. Between UTMB and Texas Tech El Paso
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Coin flipping all around.
 
I just finalized mine. Not to thread jack, but we are supposed to send in our fall transcripts to TMDSAS right?
 
SoonerFromTexas said:
I just finalized mine. Not to thread jack, but we are supposed to send in our fall transcripts to TMDSAS right?
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Yes, although I don't think there's a super strict time limit on it.

Back on topic: Yes many of us are having a tough time deciding. Unfortunately there are no clear and broadly applicable demarcations between the Texas schools. They are pretty good. It's all very personal and subjective (otherwise it wouldn't be a difficulty decision).
 
Anyone want to venture a guess as to the number of seats that will become available come February 1st? I hear a lot of talk about the relative lack of pre-matches compared to previous years.
 
asrikrishnan said:
Anyone want to venture a guess as to the number of seats that will become available come February 1st? I hear a lot of talk about the relative lack of pre-matches compared to previous years.
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Hope you're right. I'm ranking 1. UT-Houston 2. UT-San Antonio 3. Tech-El paso (pre-matched).

I recall Dr. Jones from San Antonio saying that they usually go into the Match with 60-80 spots available.
 
PianoMajor said:
Hope you're right. I'm ranking 1. UT-Houston 2. UT-San Antonio 3. Tech-El paso (pre-matched).

I recall Dr. Jones from San Antonio saying that they usually go into the Match with 60-80 spots available.
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I suppose that means that they leave that many spots available but that even more spots will become available as people get into schools that they ranked higher. Or do you think the estimate includes that?
 
Just out of curiosity, how are you guys ranking your schools, and why in that particular order? My list is subject to change before the deadline though. Also wanted to mention I have no prematches. So far I have:

1. UTMB
2. UT Houston
3. UTSW
4. Texas Tech Lubbock
5. Texas Tech El Paso
6. UT San Antonio
7. TCOM

For me, UTMB is my clear #1 choice. Aside from curriculum, etc., I just felt like I had a good "fit" there when I interviewed. I had the same fit at UT Houston, though I feel that my learning style might fit UTMB's curriculum setup better (not saying UTH's curriculum sucks, just saying personally I think I'd thrive in UTMB's system better). I've lived in the DFW area for the majority of my life and so I kind of have an itch to move elsewhere for medical school (sorry TCOM--you are an amazing school but I cannot see myself living in Fort Worth as I HATE that city for personal reasons).

The Techs and San Antonio are probably at the positions the most subject to be moved around. At the moment, Lubbock is looking to stay at #4 while El Paso and San Antonio may switch.

I never anticipated how hard this would be. All in all though, you can't lose with any school in Texas. I'd truly be happy anywhere I go.
 
As of now my list looks like this, although the middle is subject to change:
1. UTSW
2. UTMB
3. A&M
4. UTSA
5. Texas Tech Lubbock (pre-matched)
I fell in love with UTSW and UTMB! But I'm much more unsure about how I feel between A&M AND UTSA. What have you guys noticed of how the two schools compare? I'm wary of the split class of A&M between Bryan/CS and Temple, but their opportunities for rotations are endless! I would prefer to be in San Antonio over Temple...if anyone has any nuggets of wisdom it would be greatly appreciated! And Tech was an awesome school, but the location is a bit far (to drive) from the fam in Austin and too close to fly so I found it a little inconvenient.

And agreed, this is tough!
 
My list is

1. UT-Houston
2. UTSW
3/4. UTMB And A&M
5. UTSA

Im having trouble deciding between UTMB and A&M, because Im an Aggie and Im familiar with the city of CS (If I end up there lol.)
 
My list is:

1. UTSW
2. UTH
3. Tech El Paso
4. UTMB
5. Tech Lubbock (pre-matched)

I felt a really great "fit" at El Paso but I am really worried about its ability to send students to top residency programs across the state and country.

I didn't really feel a "fit" at UTMB but I know it has a good history in the Match.

Decisions decisions....
 
Less than 2 hours remain to finalize TMDSAS ranks. Good luck everyone! 😉
 
Anyone else looking through interview folders/notes one last time also? Lol
 
Sorry to slightly hijack this thread, but since I'm in Texas, I thought I'd ask.

Why are you ranking the schools and sending them off? Why does TMDSAS need to know how you ranked them?
 
I've changed my mind three time today! Still got time for one more 😎
 
And with that we shall continue this waiting game, Good Luck everyone!!!!!!!!!!
 
roguesong said:
1. UTMB
2. UT Houston
3. UTSW
4. Texas Tech Lubbock
5. Texas Tech El Paso
6. UT San Antonio
7. TCOM

The Techs and San Antonio are probably at the positions the most subject to be moved around. At the moment, Lubbock is looking to stay at #4 while El Paso and San Antonio may switch.
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I ended up finalizing the list with the above-mentioned alteration lol. After switching schools around several times after reviewing all my interview folders/notes, my list came out to be:

1. UTMB
2. UT Houston
3. UTSW
4. Texas Tech Lubbock
5.UT San Antonio
6. Texas Tech El Paso
7. TCOM

How about you guys?

Good luck to you all! On to the match! 🙂
 
Neurocentric said:
Sorry to slightly hijack this thread, but since I'm in Texas, I thought I'd ask.

Why are you ranking the schools and sending them off? Why does TMDSAS need to know how you ranked them?
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Texas public schools have a match system. On February 1, we'll each only have ONE acceptance from a Texas state medical school. How is that one acceptance decided? Each school decides independent of your personal rankings (since they can't see them) whether or not they will accept you. You keep the one acceptance you ranked most highly.

For instance, both UTMB and El Paso accepted therunner12, he would only keep the UTMB acceptance and the El Paso one would go to someone else.
 
kkuhn said:
Texas public schools have a match system. On February 1, we'll each only have ONE acceptance from a Texas state medical school. How is that one acceptance decided? Each school decides independent of your personal rankings (since they can't see them) whether or not they will accept you. You keep the one acceptance you ranked most highly.

For instance, both UTMB and El Paso accepted therunner12, he would only keep the UTMB acceptance and the El Paso one would go to someone else.
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I'm still confused. Wouldn't that be the same as any other process? You said you only get one acceptance, but then said that two schools accepted someone. So, what does that mean?
 
Neurocentric said:
I'm still confused. Wouldn't that be the same as any other process? You said you only get one acceptance, but then said that two schools accepted someone. So, what does that mean?
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Okay so. The system (TMDSAS) considers both your ranks, and how the schools ranked you. If more than one school ranks you high enough for an acceptance, that doesn't mean you get TWO acceptances, but it just means the one you ranked higher is where you are matched. If you ranked UTSW 1st, and UTMB 2nd, and you are accepted to UTSW on Feb. 1, you will never know if you were ultimately accepted to UTMB because your spot would have been taken the moment the system realized you were accepted to your #1 choice.
 
PianoMajor said:
Okay so. The system (TMDSAS) considers both your ranks, and how the schools ranked you. If more than one school ranks you high enough for an acceptance, that doesn't mean you get TWO acceptances, but it just means the one you ranked higher is where you are matched. If you ranked UTSW 1st, and UTMB 2nd, and you are accepted to UTSW on Feb. 1, you will never know if you were ultimately accepted to UTMB because your spot would have been taken the moment the system realized you were accepted to your #1 choice.
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Ah, I see. So when are these ranks made and submitted? My last question, I promise.
 
Neurocentric said:
Ah, I see. So when are these ranks made and submitted? My last question, I promise.
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The deadline for applicants to submit their rankings was today at 5:00 PM Central. The schools probably rank you shortly after you interview.
 
PianoMajor said:
The deadline for applicants to submit their rankings was today at 5:00 PM Central. The schools probably rank you shortly after you interview.
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That's really interesting. Another thing I can mark on the list of "How Texas is different than other states." :laugh:

Good luck to all you guys! I hope you get accepted to wherever you want to go!
 
PianoMajor said:
Okay so. The system (TMDSAS) considers both your ranks, and how the schools ranked you. If more than one school ranks you high enough for an acceptance, that doesn't mean you get TWO acceptances, but it just means the one you ranked higher is where you are matched. If you ranked UTSW 1st, and UTMB 2nd, and you are accepted to UTSW on Feb. 1, you will never know if you were ultimately accepted to UTMB because your spot would have been taken the moment the system realized you were accepted to your #1 choice.
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Really? That sucks....I'd be interested to see if any school but my ultimate one would've accepted me. I guess in the long run it's not a biggy I just had some tough choices and would have liked to see if the alternative 😎
 
For those who are interested this is how an admissions guy at one of the schools I interviewed at explained it to me:

Ignore prematches for a sec...

Say school A needs to fill a class of 200 students. They submit 200 names, their "ideal" class, all of which are collectively ranked #1. Next they have to have a list that is ranked individually, where #2 is a single applicant, #3 is another single applicant, etc.

Now say one of school A's applicants ranked school B first and school A second. Let's also say that this applicant is ranked #1 by school B (in school B's "ideal" class). The computer will match the student to school B and he will be withdrawn from school A.

Now school A has lost one of its 200 #1's, so in order to fill its class the applicant ranked #2 is "offered" a spot. Let's say this applicant ranked another school higher and is ranked #1 by that school too. He matches there and school A then tries to match its applicant #3 (really it's 203rd choice).

And so on and so on. Of course this all happens simultaneously with scenarios a lot more complicated than that example, but you get the idea.

Prematches act to basically reduce the number of #1s each school initially ranks. So if school A offered prematches to 150 applicants, it would only have 50 applicants ranked #1. From there it's the same, with #2, #3, #4, etc. getting "offers" as prematches or un-prematched applicants ranked in the top 50 (the #1's) are withdrawn when they match elsewhere.

Don't quote me on any of that though because he explained it 4 months ago and I'm trying my best to remember some of the details. The point is that it's not as simple as schools deciding who they accept and who they reject, and then if you are accepted by your #3 school, but not your #2 or #1, you get school #3. You actually are given a numeric rank by each school. Except for special circumstances nobody is actually "rejected", rather they just rank applicants they don't really want very very low so that they only wind up with them if otherwise they would not have a full class.
 
Let me verify...

After February 1st, say we match to our #3 school. We then get off the wait list at our #2 school in March. We aren't automatically withdrawn from our #3, right?
 
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therunner12 said:
Let me verify...

After February 1st, say we prematch to our #3 school. We then get off the wait list at our #2 school in March. We aren't automatically withdrawn from our #3, right?
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This I am not sure about. Getting off the wait-list has nothing to do with the match process, so it might not follow the same rules.
 
therunner12 said:
Let me verify...

After February 1st, say we prematch to our #3 school. We then get off the wait list at our #2 school in March. We aren't automatically withdrawn from our #3, right?
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From TMDSAS; I bolded the most pertinent parts. Short answer is no you are not automatically withdrawn from #3. But you will automatically be taken off the waitlist at school #2 on June 1 since you have an acceptance elsewhere in Texas. Waitlist movement post June 1 is only for applicants with no acceptances in Texas.

...The applicant will remain open to be selected by schools ranked higher than the school matched to.
Following the match, the standard rolling admissions will continue through the beginning of orientation at each medical school.

If you did not match to a school, keep in mind that the standard rolling admissions will begin after the match process and continue through the beginning of orientation at each medical school. You will be contacted directly by a medical school if you are moved to their alternate list or made an offer after the match process.

Multiple Acceptances

With the exception of offers received during the pre-match period, only the most unusual of circumstances justify an applicant's holding a place in the entering class of more than one US school for more than two weeks since this may adversely affect other applicants. The schools; therefore, reserve the right to withdraw offers of acceptance to individuals who hold places for longer periods without specific authorization from the schools involved. Applicants may withdraw active applications from any school any time during the application period.

Applicants may hold offers from one of the TMDSAS medical schools as well as other non-TMDSAS schools such as Baylor College of Medicine. By May 15 of the matriculation year (April 15 for schools whose first day of class is on or before July 30), each applicant who has received an offer of acceptance from more than one school must choose the specific school at which the applicant prefers to enroll and withdraw his or her application from all other schools from which acceptance offers have been received.

After June 1, no medical school in Texas may offer a position to an applicant already accepted by another medical school in Texas. This is the result of an agreement between the four UT System Medical schools, Baylor College of Medicine, Texas A&M Health Science Center College of Medicine, Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine, and University of North Texas Health Science Center at Fort Worth College of Osteopathic Medicine.
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I interpret that to mean that if you get off a waitlist at school #2, school #3 will know about it and if you don't either decline the waitlist offer or withdraw yourself from school #3 within 2 weeks, they reserve the right to do it for you.
 
Based on Morzh's post I have an interesting question.. Why is there a post-Match waitlist at all for any school? It seems like the Match decides everything for a resident of Texas. Is it only to keep space open for people who decide to go to Baylor or OOS?
 
Morzh said:
I interpret that to mean that if you get off a waitlist at school #2, school #3 will know about it and if you don't either decline the waitlist offer or withdraw yourself from school #3 within 2 weeks, they reserve the right to do it for you.
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I would agree.. it looks like if you matched at #3 but get an acceptance offer from #2 because you got off the waitlist, you have a couple of weeks to accept #2's offer. If you don't, they would withdraw their offer and you would stay with #3. If you get off the waitlist from a higher ranked school, you won't automatically be withdrawn from #3, but would rather be notified and would be given a choice whether to accept/decline the higher ranked school's offer. If you don't take action within the time frame, they would withdraw their offer.
 
asrikrishnan said:
Based on Morzh's post I have an interesting question.. Why is there a post-Match waitlist at all for any school? It seems like the Match decides everything for a resident of Texas. Is it only to keep space open for people who decide to go to Baylor or OOS?
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Some schools don't use the match as much as others. I know UTSW typically only has 1 or 2 people ever accepted each match.
 
So does that mean UTSW doesn't fill its class by Match day or that they just anticipate students leaving the school after the Match?
 
asrikrishnan said:
So does that mean UTSW doesn't fill its class by Match day or that they just anticipate students leaving the school after the Match?
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If I remember correctly, they don't fill their class on match day.
 
Morzh said:
For those who are interested this is how an admissions guy at one of the schools I interviewed at explained it to me:

Ignore prematches for a sec...

Say school A needs to fill a class of 200 students. They submit 200 names, their "ideal" class, all of which are collectively ranked #1. Next they have to have a list that is ranked individually, where #2 is a single applicant, #3 is another single applicant, etc.

Now say one of school A's applicants ranked school B first and school A second. Let's also say that this applicant is ranked #1 by school B (in school B's "ideal" class). The computer will match the student to school B and he will be withdrawn from school A.

Now school A has lost one of its 200 #1's, so in order to fill its class the applicant ranked #2 is "offered" a spot. Let's say this applicant ranked another school higher and is ranked #1 by that school too. He matches there and school A then tries to match its applicant #3 (really it's 203rd choice).

And so on and so on. Of course this all happens simultaneously with scenarios a lot more complicated than that example, but you get the idea.

Prematches act to basically reduce the number of #1s each school initially ranks. So if school A offered prematches to 150 applicants, it would only have 50 applicants ranked #1. From there it's the same, with #2, #3, #4, etc. getting "offers" as prematches or un-prematched applicants ranked in the top 50 (the #1's) are withdrawn when they match elsewhere.

Don't quote me on any of that though because he explained it 4 months ago and I'm trying my best to remember some of the details. The point is that it's not as simple as schools deciding who they accept and who they reject, and then if you are accepted by your #3 school, but not your #2 or #1, you get school #3. You actually are given a numeric rank by each school. Except for special circumstances nobody is actually "rejected", rather they just rank applicants they don't really want very very low so that they only wind up with them if otherwise they would not have a full class.
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Thank you for this info. 👍
I wonder how schools rank students for match day in cases where the school has offered many more prematches than the class size. For example, according to their website Texas Tech El Paso extended 185 prematch offers last year, but the class size was 81. Would that mean that they don't rank any students #1 for match day in this scenerio? I would understand it if they prematched 50 and ranked 31 students #1 for their ideal class, followed by their individual list of sequential ranking (2,3,4...). I wonder if they still rank a certain number of interviewees #1 based on anticipated loses.
What a mess this is! We are probably much better served keeping busy until Match Day before going crazy trying to analyze the details of this craziness! 😕
 
Arrector said:
Thank you for this info. 👍
I wonder how schools rank students for match day in cases where the school has offered many more prematches than the class size. For example, according to their website Texas Tech El Paso extended 185 prematch offers last year, but the class size was 81. Would that mean that they don't rank any students #1 for match day in this scenerio? I would understand it if they prematched 50 and ranked 31 students #1 for their ideal class, followed by their individual list of sequential ranking (2,3,4...). I wonder if they still rank a certain number of interviewees #1 based on anticipated loses.
What a mess this is! We are probably much better served keeping busy until Match Day before going crazy trying to analyze the details of this craziness! 😕
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Haha... yeah it's nuts. In some ways it is similar to airlines purposefully overbooking flights based on the assumption that a certain percentage will cancel/not show up. Obviously it's not a perfect system (see: Texas A&M match day 2011 fiasco).
 
asrikrishnan said:
Based on Morzh's post I have an interesting question.. Why is there a post-Match waitlist at all for any school? It seems like the Match decides everything for a resident of Texas. Is it only to keep space open for people who decide to go to Baylor or OOS?
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Probably because some people decide to go to schools not participating in TMDSAS. I am not sure how the AMCAS schools do it. For example, if someone goes to Baylor, but matched SW #1. I could be wrong though.
 
Isn't the introduction of the prematch a relatively new part of the Match process? I feel like the Match would work almost perfectly (even though it would lead to more stress for applicants!!) if schools could only prematch up to their projected class size, or even if prematches were completely done away with. Extending additional offers than seats available leads to stress on both sides.
 
asrikrishnan said:
Isn't the introduction of the prematch a relatively new part of the Match process? I feel like the Match would work almost perfectly (even though it would lead to more stress for applicants!!) if schools could only prematch up to their projected class size, or even if prematches were completely done away with. Extending additional offers than seats available leads to stress on both sides.
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I believe that schools end up sending out more pre-matches than there are spots simply because some people reject pre-match offers so they send out more (especially if they have other offers to schools they like better). This would mean that the total number of pre-match offers could get high in some instances. It is not standard practice to send out excessive offers just because students are expected to choose other schools in the match. If this happens (as it did last year with A&M), it is a mistake--- not the norm.
 
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