The CV vs. the resume

[GiantSteps]

What is everyone's opinion on which is better to send (a CV or a resume) for the following (of course, I have an idea but the more opinions the better)?

1. an applied psychology job (i.e. clinic, hospital, mental health facility)

2. a research psychology job at a hospital

3. a research job at a research institute

4. a research psychology job at a school

5. an application for a graduate school (to be a student).

What I am getting at is the following: if one were to send a multi page resume (more along the lines of a CV) to the typical job, anything more tnan a page, unless you are Steve Jobs or Warren Buffet, the resume or CV would probably be laughed at or pitched in the garbage. However, in academia the more paper the better - or so it seems. So what is appropriate in the examples about which I am asking, which in some instances cross the academic/ business world? (notice I did not say "real world" , although there are plenty of people out there who really believe in the adage: those who can do and those who can't teach (some, it has been said, add a last part: those who can't decide to dye their hair)😛.

Seriously, in many of the positions I listed in the aforementioned, whatever one sends is not necessarily going directly to a psychologist or head researcher. It may have to go through HR people, secretaries, and admission officers who are making the initial decision. So chime in!

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[RayneeDeigh]

1. an applied psychology job --> resume

2. a research psychology job at a hospital --> resume

3. a research job at a research institute --> CV

3. a research psychology job at a school --> CV

4. an application for a graduate school --> CV

Just my uneducated two cents.

You have two number threes, but the way. Maybe you should lay off the hair dye too. 😀

 

[clinpsychgirl]

for a research job at a hospital (I used to have one of these) I'd go with the CV.

 

[JockNerd]

I would agree with Raynee on all but the hospital research job. I'd ask whoever's doing the hiring what they would prefer.

Grad schools will always want a CV, and will tell you if they want a resume. You have to list your current and last job on most applications, along with a description of what you did (in my experience). That's usually sufficient.



(Personal anecdote: I work in an office right now over the summer, and it's filled with people who use "network" as a verb and do other adulterous things to the English language with their business-talk. My boss has referred to my "CV" several times, I think just because the word is more impressive. Buddy, my CV is four pages long. I gave you a RESUME!)

 

[GiantSteps]

1. an applied psychology job --> resume

2. a research psychology job at a hospital --> resume

3. a research job at a research institute --> CV

3. a research psychology job at a school --> CV

4. an application for a graduate school --> CV

Just my uneducated two cents.

You have two number threes, but the way. Maybe you should lay off the hair dye too. 😀

Thank you for your two cents but remember that your Canadian money is not worth as much as good old U.S.A. money!😀

The two number threes are now gone. Sorry, but not everyone got over a 700 on the GRE math!

Now what would you know about dying hair? Do you have some experiemce in that area? 😕 😆You just make sure that you look like your passport picture when you come try to enter the U.S. for the APA conference or the ultra strict TB border patrol, which let in the guy which contagious, may not let you into this fine land.

People, I am still waiting to hear from more of you about what you actually sent when you applied to your various positions.

 

[WaitingKills]

Mmmm, why can't you send both if you think they are both relevant?

 

[ny1020]

Hi all - can someone explain the differences? I think I've been using a resume to apply to jobs since I've been out of school, but I know that I should stick a CV with my applications to school....I have no idea what the difference is!

Any help is much appreciated!

 

[Ollie123]

Think of a CV as a really detailed resume🙂

If you google it, you'll find examples of the difference much better than I can give on this forum. Resumes should never be over a page, CVs for senior academics can be 50-60 pages or more. So you have to be more selective of what you include in a resume. On a CV you should include just about everything even tangentially related to the position.

 

[paramour]

Think of a CV as a really detailed resume🙂

If you google it, you'll find examples of the difference much better than I can give on this forum. Resumes should never be over a page, CVs for senior academics can be 50-60 pages or more. So you have to be more selective of what you include in a resume. On a CV you should include just about everything even tangentially related to the position.

That's semi-amusing as my resume (NOT my CV) is longer than a page. I couldn't fit everything on one page if I wanted to--and I've tried. I have yet to hear anyone complain about my resume and most were quite impressed with it. As long as the information you include is relevant, a lengthier resume should be no problem.

I've also worked in a few HR departments and other positions requiring me to look at applications/resumes and there were actually very few that fit your 1-page requirement. I've even witnessed a few of those 1-page resumes passed by because "well, they probably don't have enough experience if it's so short."

But, this is simply my anecdotal evidence so take it with a grain o' salt.

 

[Ollie123]

That's interesting because I was expressly told by some of the HR faculty (my second major was HR) to never let a resume go beyond a page because it will get thrown out.

Most had done hiring at major banking companies...perhaps it is industry specific?

I ran into that problem too....there's no way for me to get my resume down to a page. I just leave a TON off it when I do. Fortunately I think I've passed the stage in my life when I will NEED a "1 page" resume for anything...never heard of anything remotely academics-related asking for anything but a CV.

 

[paramour]

That's interesting because I was expressly told by some of the HR faculty (my second major was HR) to never let a resume go beyond a page because it will get thrown out.

Most had done hiring at major banking companies...perhaps it is industry specific?

I ran into that problem too....there's no way for me to get my resume down to a page. I just leave a TON off it when I do. Fortunately I think I've passed the stage in my life when I will NEED a "1 page" resume for anything...never heard of anything remotely academics-related asking for anything but a CV.

That could be (i.e., industry specific)--no experience w/ the banking industry occupation wise so no clue. I'd also heard the 1- (possibly 2- max) page limit in courses I've taken but I don't see it followed too much. The ones who seem to fit their information on one page are either (a) just starting out, or (b) working at the same place or two for a number of years.

I almost didn't take a summer job last year because I didn't want to add yet another position to my resume. Unfortunately, the need to pay bills overrode the resume dilemma.

 

[tkj]

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[GiantSteps]

What is everyone's opinion on which is better to send (a CV or a resume) for the following (of course, I have an idea but the more opinions the better)?

1. an applied psychology job (i.e. clinic, hospital, mental health facility)

2. a research psychology job at a hospital

3. a research job at a research institute

4. a research psychology job at a school

5. an application for a graduate school (to be a student).

What I am getting at is the following: if one were to send a multi page resume (more along the lines of a CV) to the typical job, anything more tnan a page, unless you are Steve Jobs or Warren Buffet, the resume or CV would probably be laughed at or pitched in the garbage. However, in academia the more paper the better - or so it seems. So what is appropriate in the examples about which I am asking, which in some instances cross the academic/ business world? (notice I did not say "real world" , although there are plenty of people out there who really believe in the adage: those who can do and those who can't teach (some, it has been said, add a last part: those who can't decide to dye their hair)😛.

Seriously, in many of the positions I listed in the aforementioned, whatever one sends is not necessarily going directly to a psychologist or head researcher. It may have to go through HR people, secretaries, and admission officers who are making the initial decision. So chime in!

Sorry to quote myself but this thread is too far off topic and I am still not sure whether to send a CV or a resume in the specific situations I mentioned!😕

 

[Neuro-Dr]

The CV is the expected form for outlining training and competency in our field and I would always send it.

 

[Ollie123]

Sorry for the side-track.

#1 is the only one where I "might" send a resume. Still probably use a CV but "might" use a resume.

#2-5 I've all done. Always CV, never resume.