The MD-student RANTING thread

[TurbulentWind]

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I think it's hilarious you associate being overweight with a messed up personality.

I think it's hilarious that you don't.

 

[aim-agm]

I think it's hilarious that you don't.

I feel like this peculiar position is connected with your binge-eating. Perhaps addressing the former will help mitigate the latter.

 

[TurbulentWind]

No doubt about it med school can suck, particularly if the school and it's members are rather less than ideal. IIRC by LCME regulation your school should have a psychologist available to speak to students, and I highly recommend you make use of that service as a lot of your issues arise primarily from your reaction or attitude towards a problem rather than the problem itself.

Bull****. It's a naive thing to think that the school's psychologist is going to help you, besides you put yourself at the risk of creating a psychological history that you're never going to erase. Maybe no one will care, but you can never know; information is power and you don't want to end up one day, being sued for malpraxis for example, and hearing the lawyer say : " Is it true, Mr. X that you've been having psychological issues even as a student ? "
Anything you do or say can be used against you. Wake up.

1. Let me bring your search to a conclusion: S*** happens everywhere, humans are fundamentally pretty good at dealing with s***, you'll be fine whether or not anyone else is going through the particular s*** you are. Stop wasting your time searching and spend it doing something you enjoy or will make you happy (rather than trying to find company for your misery).

fair enough

The only thing for it is a healthy amount of introspection and a support system. This is something your school's psychologist can help a lot with.

I agree with the introspection part. I completely disagree with the second part ( obviously )

5. This is the tendency for every subdivision of humanity, that outsiders don't know and insiders don't care. Be the change you want to see and keep caring, you'll eventually find yourself in the company of others with the same attitude.

I agree again.

6. Medicine is about healing patients, Science is about humility. Arrogance tends to bite people in the a**, so them feeling entitled to it is their problem not yours. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and focus on becoming a doctor that meets your own ideals.

Fair enough.

the "dinguses" mentioned in 2 would have been more appropriate to note as the people with "messed-up personalities" than the "overweight and alcoholic." I advise you to contemplate why you think the latter groups are what came to mind for you.)

I will explain this, because I see some of you don't get it : you're americans and I'm european. We know that in America there is an unhealthy social acceptance of overweight people, only you are the ones who are often times blind to it. When someone points out that you're fat, you take it as an insult instead of realizing that this is not a right direction and the fact that the rate of overweight persons is increasing is more than alarming.
You have a big, wealthy and good-looking house, but you don't take care of your body. Which one do you think is the true temple ?
You also don't realize that all the money in the world won't buy back the health that you lose. I know many of you are thinking " C'mon, it's just a little slip here and there, I will fix it in the future. " , but you won't.

9. Put things that cause you stress but you can't change/influence out of your mind.

This is what I'm going to do.

 

[TurbulentWind]

I feel like this peculiar position is connected with your binge-eating. Perhaps addressing the former will help mitigate the latter.

No, this is not about me.
I am talking about all the doctors, professors and medical students who go around completely unaware of their physical condition.
Last time I went to a conference about cardiovascular health and the doctor who made the presentation was obese. Do you see something wrong with this picture ?
If you don't , I'm not interested in your answer.

 

[aim-agm]

I will explain this, because I see some of you don't get it : you're americans and I'm european. We know that in America there is an unhealthy social acceptance of overweight people, only you are the ones who are often times blind to it. When someone points out that you're fat, you take it as an insult instead of realizing that this is not a right direction and the fact that the rate of overweight persons is increasing is more than alarming.
You have a big, wealthy and good-looking house, but you don't take care of your body. Which one do you think is the true temple ?
You also don't realize that all the money in the world won't buy back the health that you lose. I know many of you are thinking " C'mon, it's just a little slip here and there, I will fix it in the future. " , but you won't.

No, this is not about me.
I am talking about all the doctors, professors and medical students who go around completely unaware of their physical condition.
Last time I went to a conference about cardiovascular health and the doctor who made the presentation was obese. Do you see something wrong with this picture ?
If you don't , I'm not interested in your answer.

Someone engaging in maladaptive behaviors isn't always symptom of a messed-up personality. In the case of obesity it's more a product of lack of will and forethought, which I would argue are personal weaknesses rather than aberrant personality. I agree it is ludicrous for a doctor to be obese, particularly one so obviously aware of the health implications. However, I doubt that they weren't aware of their condition. Also, wouldn't you take insult at being called 'psychologically disturbed' because of your binge eating? While technically accurate, the descriptor is hurtful and unproductive. Same goes for calling an overweight person fat: if you want to convince someone to lose weight, a more delicate and subtle approach is called for.
This is all secondhand since I have personally never struggled with weight and have a single-digit body fat% despite eating what I want (lucky genetics, well-adjusted appetite, and/or other factors).

 

[TurbulentWind]

Also, wouldn't you take insult at being called 'psychologically disturbed' because of your binge eating? While technically accurate, the descriptor is hurtful and unproductive. Same goes for calling an overweight person fat: if you want to convince someone to lose weight, a more delicate and subtle approach is called for.

This is exactly the problem : you hide from the real problem behind words.

Of course that I won't call a patient "fat" and I won't bully him either, but this is a forum on which we are talking objectively about lifestyle problems associated with the medical field. It has nothing to do with how we are going to treat the patients, it's more of an inside talk.

As for "psychologically disturbed" : no, I would not consider it an insult, if it were true. It's not a definitive label, someone can be psychologically disturbed because of a situation, which is the case for many people working in the medical field.
Instead of getting upset about it, we should recognize it and find solutions for it and not bury our heads in the sand.

 

[psychMDhopefully]

This is exactly the problem : you hide from the real problem behind words.

Of course that I won't call a patient "fat" and I won't bully him either, but this is a forum on which we are talking objectively about lifestyle problems associated with the medical field. It has nothing to do with how we are going to treat the patients, it's more of an inside talk.

As for "psychologically disturbed" : no, I would not consider it an insult, if it were true. It's not a definitive label, someone can be psychologically disturbed because of a situation, which is the case for many people working in the medical field.
Instead of getting upset about it, we should recognize it and find solutions for it and not bury our heads in the sand.

I think you are one of the people who have the personality problems you complain about. Weird honestly,

 

[TurbulentWind]

I think you are one of the people who have the personality problems you complain about. Weird honestly,

This passive-aggressive comeback doesn't surprise me from a butthurt person.

 

[TurbulentWind]

What was passive-aggressive about that? It was pretty direct and to the point lol and I think we all agree with @psychMDhopefully, tbh. You're making yourself sound like a real tool.

Do you think I care about your opinion ?
At least psychMDhopefully made some pretty sound arguments.
You just came here and wrote a few words, I wonder how much of the discussion actually passed through your understanding.
Don't answer.

 

[samac]

As a side note some of my favorite people in medical school are the overweight ones. One guy is the nicest I've ever met and he's morbidly obese. I would say he has much less of a personality issue than our friend here.

 

[evilbooyaa]

This is exactly the problem : you hide from the real problem behind words.

Of course that I won't call a patient "fat" and I won't bully him either, but this is a forum on which we are talking objectively about lifestyle problems associated with the medical field. It has nothing to do with how we are going to treat the patients, it's more of an inside talk.

As for "psychologically disturbed" : no, I would not consider it an insult, if it were true. It's not a definitive label, someone can be psychologically disturbed because of a situation, which is the case for many people working in the medical field.
Instead of getting upset about it, we should recognize it and find solutions for it and not bury our heads in the sand.

I think you're psychologically disturbed because of your binge-eating problems. Are you insulted?

 

[FBurnaby]

@TurbulentWind It is ironic that you're boasting the potential dangers of speaking confidentially with a school counselor and yet you post personal information at length on an online public forum. This is the one of multiple threads that you've derailed and requested others to be silenced from rebuttal. It is painfully evident that you would benefit from speaking with your school counselor, rather than unloading on SDN.

 

[failedatlife]

 

[Anicetus]

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[GoodWillShunting]

No, this is not about me.
I am talking about all the doctors, professors and medical students who go around completely unaware of their physical condition.
Last time I went to a conference about cardiovascular health and the doctor who made the presentation was obese. Do you see something wrong with this picture ?
If you don't , I'm not interested in your answer.

I understand why you may be frustrated with an obese individual discussing cardiovascular health, and can see why you may not take him seriously, or even consider him a hypocrite (not your words, but mine).

However, I disagree with your comment. Having extra fat (at this level) has little, if anything, to do with objectively knowing what is good for cardiovascular health. Perhaps he used to be very in shape.
A doctor who smokes is still perfectly fit to discuss the harms of smoking- in fact, you can argue that personal experience with negative effects means that the discussion comes from a personal place, and patients actually see them as relatable. Why would any patient be more inclined to listen to a doctor who looks like they've never experienced what the patient is going through? I'm obviously not advocating that they are more qualified than, or have a monopoly over, other doctors when it comes to this stuff. Only that if you're too focused on the color of the paper, you miss the content. Kind of like writing off the patient with consistent weight gain for eating too much instead of checking a thyroid level just in case.


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[zeppelinpage4]

If it helps... The pain is there to reminde you that you are still alive

That and the constant reminder of our own mortalities. ^_^ Yay Med school!

 

[68PGunner]

Go through UWorld 7-8x this time then.