The Medical School Screening Process Theory

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From all the information I have gathered on SDN and talking to med students this is what I think happens in general. I beleive medical schools use a 3 round system when determining who gets an interview.

Round One- Screeners look at all applications check to see if the GPA and MCAT fall within a certain minimum. The certain minimum depends on the other factors of the applicant, like whether the applicant is in-state or out of state, and the race of the applicant. I believe the minimum is set lower for instate applicants and applicants of certain minority group. For instance and instate applicant minimum for this one perticlular school could be a 3.3 and 28 while out of state would need 3.4 and 30. Both minimums ( instate and out of state) would decrease if the applicant was of a certain minority group that is deemed under represented in medicine. All application that do not reach the minimum are tossed ( rejected). This assumes that this school doesn't send auto secondary ( some schools do)

Round 2- Secondaries are sent out at this point. Also a second group of screeners comes in to review the Personal statement of remaining application . If reasonable intelligence and the desire to practice medicine comes off in the PS then the application is put in a diffrent batch of application. If those 2 traits are not shown those application are tossed before secondaries even arrive. Once secondary arrive the good batch of applicant secondaries are reviewed. The reason I theorize some secondaries are not even reviewed is because of the large amount of secondaries and schools need a way to cut down, and the pre reading of PS's is a good way. If the secondary are of quility the application is passed on to the next round.

Round 3 - Schools at this point will toss out a few applications who's number are at the bottom end (unless the applicant is a URM) and a few students who numbers are to high ( high meaning way above the matriculate average of the last years class). Also students with a dramatic downward trend in GPA are also cut out. Then EC are reviewed. Students who are seriously lacking in this department, applications will be cut. School might organize cutting by using a point system. The more points the higher quality the EC's. All reamining students receive an interview.

Wild Card- I believe In round 1 there are a small number of screeners who read a small number application PS's with low GPAs and or MCAT( GPA and MCAT that fall under the 10th percentile) . Medical school is not a reward for students with the highest MCAT and GPA. If these application PS's have a unique or amazing story, I think they are immediately flagged for third round review or even an interview.


Don't forget about letter of recomindation these are more than likely reviewed in round 3 but you could make a good argument that they are reviewed in round 2.

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You bring up an interesting point in your Round 3 description. You said you think they cut out people whose numbers are way above the average for matriculants. If so, how does somebody get around being "over-qualified" at a particular school? LOI?
 
You bring up an interesting point in your Round 3 description. You said you think they cut out people whose numbers are way above the average for matriculants. If so, how does somebody get around being "over-qualified" at a particular school? LOI?

I believe that only a few are cut ( as stated), After all who doesn't want to meet the kid with the 4.0/40mcat. School don't want to waste to many interview slots on people who clearly might not even matriculate if they are accepted. This also explains round 1 were student instate are give more leeway, because instate applicants have a higher chance of matriculating .
 
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well, like they say about global warming... its just a theory
 
Any more opinions?

My opinion is that this is totally made-up nonsense that isn't really worth considering since every school likely has its own process with its own particulars. You also can't forget that your app may get different treatment depending upon the particular person who sees it. This is unfair, yes, but that's how it works. Some schools sort applicants by state or geographic region, some by undergrad, some by numbers - there are an infinite number of ways this information can be parsed and processed.

Trying to come up with how this stuff works and attempt to game "the system" is an exercise in futility. Do your best in college, do some stuff you find interesting and be excellent at it, be mature and thoughtful when deciding whether you want to be a physician or not, and express that reasoning well. Do those things and you don't have to worry about how all this stuff works (or doesn't) - everything will fall into place as it should.
 
My opinion is that this is totally made-up nonsense that isn't really worth considering since every school likely has its own process with its own particulars. You also can't forget that your app may get different treatment depending upon the particular person who sees it. This is unfair, yes, but that's how it works. Some schools sort applicants by state or geographic region, some by undergrad, some by numbers - there are an infinite number of ways this information can be parsed and processed.

Trying to come up with how this stuff works and attempt to game "the system" is an exercise in futility. Do your best in college, do some stuff you find interesting and be excellent at it, be mature and thoughtful when deciding whether you want to be a physician or not, and express that reasoning well. Do those things and you don't have to worry about how all this stuff works (or doesn't) - everything will fall into place as it should.

qft.
 
Specific assumptions like this cannot be made about the med school admissions process. Each school has their own process.
 
Specific assumptions like this cannot be made about the med school admissions process. Each school has their own process.

If i was a premed advisor i would give this description to a freshman just so they could have a rough estimate on the process
 
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In my opinion, inception is the best way to game the admissions process.
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Who the hell said anything about gaming the system. This was and attempt to explain an often secretive process
 
Who the hell said anything about gaming the system. This was and attempt to explain an often secretive process

Many schools actually publish their admissions committee bylaws online if you do a little digging on their websites. It's not all smoke and mirrors.

I still don't see what anyone stands to gain from knowing the intricacies of how a decision is made. You still need to do your best and have all your ducks in a row in order to improve your chances.
 
I also think* they may have some sort of automatic screening for the activities section. For example, if a school highly values community service and the person has no activities designated "non-clinical volunteering", they get an automatic rejection. Or an applicant who has below a certain minimal threshold of hours for whatever other category

*I base this on nothing
 
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I also think* they may have some sort of automatic screening for the activities section. For example, if a school highly values community service and the person has no activities designated "non-clinical volunteering", they get an automatic rejection. Or an applicant who has below a certain minimal threshold of hours for whatever other category

*I base this on nothing

Nope. Application components are not considered in separate, isolated bubbles.
 
100% agree. The packet is looked at.

Hey Goro, I'd like to use this opportunity to ask if there is anything to the idea that medical schools screen out "overqualified" applicants. Is that something that happens? If so, how does somebody get around it? LOI?

Thanks!
 
Hey Goro, I'd like to use this opportunity to ask if there is anything to the idea that medical schools screen out "overqualified" applicants. Is that something that happens? If so, how does somebody get around it? LOI?

Thanks!
Let's say for the sake of argument that a school's yield on applicants with an MCAT score of 42+ is 1%. Would you really interview 100 candidates to matriculate one?

Similarly, if the yield on applicants with scores <27 is also low how many of them would you interview?
 
Let's say for the sake of argument that a school's yield on applicants with an MCAT score of 42+ is 1%. Would you really interview 100 candidates to matriculate one?

Similarly, if the yield on applicants with scores <27 is also low how many of them would you interview?
Fair enough. But let's say that candidate with a 42 really, really wants to attend a certain school. If he or she demonstrates interest, will yield considerations still work against him/her?

This is a hypothetical situation, but I imagine it's something that happens quite often e.g. for applicants to DO schools who are competitive at MD schools. Can an applicant demonstrate interest in some way as to tell the adcoms that they are willing to attend?
 
Fair enough. But let's say that candidate with a 42 really, really wants to attend a certain school. If he or she demonstrates interest, will yield considerations still work against him/her?

This is a hypothetical situation, but I imagine it's something that happens quite often e.g. for applicants to DO schools who are competitive at MD schools. Can an applicant demonstrate interest in some way as to tell the adcoms that they are willing to attend?
Yes. There are factors that are associated with a higher chance of matriculation, even in low yield cohorts. The applicant's declaration of undying love for the school is not one of them, however.
 
Pay attention to my learned colleague. This is why he sagely recommends "Invest in MSAR and apply to schools whose median scores are close to your own".

Yes. There are factors that are associated with a higher chance of matriculation, even in low yield cohorts. The applicant's declaration of undying love for the school is not one of them, however.
 
Pay attention to my learned colleague. This is why he sagely recommends "Invest in MSAR and apply to schools whose median scores are close to your own".

But Goro I have an uncle who lives in the area and I really, really want to be there doesn't that count for something???????///
 
I thought it does help? Medical schools want to increase their yield, the % of accepted students who actually matriculate.
 
I thought it does help? Medical schools want to increase their yield, the % of accepted students who actually matriculate.
Yes, we want the best students we can get, who are also likely to matriculate. Protestations of commitment aren't a strong predictor of this, though.
 
But Goro I have an uncle who lives in the area and I really, really want to be there doesn't that count for something???????///

Your "uncle"? Wouldn't persuade me... (That's just weird.)

Your parents might. Your Husband/Wife or Fiance/ee would.
 
Your "uncle"? Wouldn't persuade me... (That's just weird.)

Your parents might. Your Husband/Wife or Fiance/ee would.
99% sure he was poking fun at people who say they want to go to a school because of some obscure family reference. For example, "I should really be considered for UCR although I've never been there because my wife has 2 aunts that live there and we would really like to be close to them!"
 
FWIW, the two schools I interviewed at were extremely transparent about their process and answered many specific questions about it.
 
99% sure he was poking fun at people who say they want to go to a school because of some obscure family reference. For example, "I should really be considered for UCR although I've never been there because my wife has 2 aunts that live there and we would really like to be close to them!"

I suppose I shouldn't poke too much fun, though, because when I interviewed at Michigan I did mention that pretty much the entirety of my family with the exception of my parents still lived in Michigan. Did it matter all that much? Who knows, but it seemed to be a talking point with the interviewers. So perhaps I shouldn't be too sarcastic...
 
99% sure he was poking fun at people who say they want to go to a school because of some obscure family reference. For example, "I should really be considered for UCR although I've never been there because my wife has 2 aunts that live there and we would really like to be close to them!"

I do hope so! 😉
 
Pay attention to my learned colleague. This is why he sagely recommends "Invest in MSAR and apply to schools whose median scores are close to your own".

If that's what you advise then I might have to make my list longer than 25 schools!

😛
 
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