The Open Therapy Institute - Anyone heard of this org???

[BuckeyeLove]

Open Therapy Institute

www.opentherapyinstitute.org

Going down "anti-therapy" rabbit holes and stumbled across a podcast with this LPC dropout who left because of "all the social justice woke stuff." She now has a podcast and regularly promotes this organization. Anyone heard of it? Apparently there is an army of anti-woke therapists that are trying to take back the field from the wokesters. Didn't realize there was a need for this type of thing.

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[MCParent]

Open Therapy Institute

www.opentherapyinstitute.org

Going down "anti-therapy" rabbit holes and stumbled across a podcast with this LPC dropout who left because of "all the social justice woke stuff." She now has a podcast and regularly promotes this organization. Anyone heard of it? Apparently there is an army of anti-woke therapists that are trying to take back the field from the wokesters. Didn't realize there was a need for this type of thing.

“Gun owners” are an “overlooked clinical population.”

Sure Jan

 

[WisNeuro]

“Gun owners” are an “overlooked clinical population.”

Sure Jan

Not surprised Shedler is part of their team.

 

[WisNeuro]

Veterans are an overlooked clinical population!?! A population for which we have constructed the largest healthcare system in the world for? 🤣

 

[MCParent]

Veterans are an overlooked clinical population!?! A population for which we have constructed the largest healthcare system in the world for? 🤣

The whole business plan for this is hilarious. It’s like saying hey I’m going to market this dog toy I invented to people who hate dogs and would never get one.

 

[WisNeuro]

The whole business plan for this is hilarious. It’s like saying hey I’m going to market this dog toy I invented to people who hate dogs and would never get one.

Unfortunately, the real market for some of these discussions, those in the moderate space, are lacking. It's pretty much just the far wings preaching to their own choirs. But, I'd agree, the target audience that they think they have is fairly fleeting, unless they they think that can tap into Perterson's incel market, or Tate's sexual predator market.

 

[PsyDr]

For the youngsters: Bill Cosby (the rapist) had a show where he was an OBGYN, with an office in his basement. OpenTherapy's stock photo is the same location.

 

[Sanman]

For the youngsters: Bill Cosby (the rapist) had a show where he was an OBGYN, with an office in his basement. OpenTherapy's stock photo is the same location.

Don't threaten us with a good time!

Some facts because I am bored: the outside shots are from Brooklyn, the Cosby Show exterior scenes were shot in Greenwich Village and the interior in Astoria Queens, and the founder of OTC's office is actually Central Park West.

 

[R. Matey]

Not surprised Shedler is part of their team.

Or Sally Satel. She did coauthor a good book with Lilienfeld though.

 

[borne_before]

From their website:

Not long ago, there was a consensus in the mental health field that therapy should be client-centered. It was seen as unethical for therapists to impose political ideologies on sessions or to judge or reject clients for their political views. Therapists were encouraged to think empathically toward all of their clients, whatever their beliefs. Sadly, this consensus is now being replaced by approaches that prioritize political ideology over quality care. This change is leaving many people without good options.

Left-leaning psychology professors outnumber conservatives 17 to 1, while therapists are about 90% left-leaning, and the bias is worsening. Some activist therapists impose ideological treatments on patients (like centering “white privilege” or trying to “dismantle the gender binary”), and some therapists’ socio-political biases lead them to clash with patients.

Over time, these biases have led countless clinical populations to be overlooked: people who are forced to self-censor, people dealing with false accusations of harassment, and ideologically-driven job discrimination. It includes people affected by ideology on college campuses, in the workplace, and in their own home. It includes populations who have experienced anti-white racial aggression, negativity toward masculinity, and many others.

Therapists are rarely trained on these topics, and there are no clinics that specialize in most of them. The existing literature on these issues is limited, and it tends to be biased. As a result, many patients don’t know where to find a skilled therapist. Many are forgoing treatment altogether.

These “socio-politically overlooked patients” are likely the most poorly served patients in the United States. They include patients of every race, religion, and geographical location. We know that the socio-political biases tend to be left-leaning, but we believe that patients across the political and ideological spectrum deserve access to excellent and unbiased care. Through research, training, and creating a professional community of therapists, OTI can radically improve mental health care across the country. This can improve countless lives and even lead to broader changes that ripple throughout the culture.

To be honest, I don't really see an issue with it? I think a lot of responses here are being a little surly and don't really see why this needed because they are good, client centered, psychologists who would never impose political ideologies on sessions.

I do think this field need more political and ideological diversity. However, I got my PhD from a college of education, so it might be different for many.

I also think, especially in the child psych space, we need more males and parents of children. If this isn't obvious as to why, I can share some stories.

Relating this to affirm model of trans care, our field has a tendency to run into the fray, as if we are social justice warriors over scientists. (See the Kass review for a good discussion).

But, I've been doing a few of the Zur Institute trainings (generally pretty good, like the format, etc), but Dr. Zur was very specific that we never discuss our dissatisfaction with an election outcome with a patient. He was like of like "I can't beleive I need to reiterate this, that there is basically no defensible reason to state your own politics with patient."

 

[WisNeuro]

From their website:


To be honest, I don't really see an issue with it? I think a lot of responses here are being a little surly and don't really see why this needed because they are good, client centered, psychologists who would never impose political ideologies on sessions.

I do think this field need more political and ideological diversity. However, I got my PhD from a college of education, so it might be different for many.

I also think, especially in the child psych space, we need more males and parents of children. If this isn't obvious as to why, I can share some stories.

Relating this to affirm model of trans care, our field has a tendency to run into the fray, as if we are social justice warriors over scientists. (See the Kass review for a good discussion).

But, I've been doing a few of the Zur Institute trainings (generally pretty good, like the format, etc), but Dr. Zur was very specific that we never discuss our dissatisfaction with an election outcome with a patient. He was like of like "I can't beleive I need to reiterate this, that there is basically no defensible reason to state your own politics with patient."

This organization does not seem really all that concerned with not injecting political ideology into psychology, they just want their political ideology to be what is injected. As a Centrist, this is just their answer to DEI, both are flawed in their implementation, and are just throwing out unscientific partisan junk.

 

[quickpsych]

Not surprised Shedler is part of their team.

I had the displeasure of meeting him some years ago and talking with him personally. Woo boy.

This organization does not seem really all that concerned with not injecting political ideology into psychology, they just want their political ideology to be what is injected. As a Centrist, this is just their answer to DEI, both are flawed in their implementation, and are just throwing out unscientific partisan junk.

Kind of like certain people in our current government just want their religious ideology injected into our laws and society.


I like this gem on their website where they say "most therapists are rarely trained on these topics" but then their examples are things that therapists are actually trained on. So yes it's just them trying to push their personal political ideologies into treatment or create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[psych.meout]

From their website:


To be honest, I don't really see an issue with it? I think a lot of responses here are being a little surly and don't really see why this needed because they are good, client centered, psychologists who would never impose political ideologies on sessions.

I do think this field need more political and ideological diversity. However, I got my PhD from a college of education, so it might be different for many.

I also think, especially in the child psych space, we need more males and parents of children. If this isn't obvious as to why, I can share some stories.

Relating this to affirm model of trans care, our field has a tendency to run into the fray, as if we are social justice warriors over scientists. (See the Kass review for a good discussion).

But, I've been doing a few of the Zur Institute trainings (generally pretty good, like the format, etc), but Dr. Zur was very specific that we never discuss our dissatisfaction with an election outcome with a patient. He was like of like "I can't beleive I need to reiterate this, that there is basically no defensible reason to state your own politics with patient."

They aren't advocating for neutrality, they want conservative DEI.

Open Therapy Institute

www.opentherapyinstitute.org

Going down "anti-therapy" rabbit holes and stumbled across a podcast with this LPC dropout who left because of "all the social justice woke stuff." She now has a podcast and regularly promotes this organization. Anyone heard of it? Apparently there is an army of anti-woke therapists that are trying to take back the field from the wokesters. Didn't realize there was a need for this type of thing.

Lol, what podcast was it?

 

[BuckeyeLove]

They aren't advocating for neutrality, they want conservative DEI.


Lol, what podcast was it?

The lady who runs it is "Leslie Boyce." She went to Antioch's LPC program a few years back and was "DISGUSTED" with the gender ideology that was forced on them, so much so that she started this podcast.

 

[docloufan]

Veterans are an overlooked clinical population!?! A population for which we have constructed the largest healthcare system in the world for? 🤣

This got me too.

If anything, veteran worship in this country is actually hindering quality of care for veterans (by the current systems and beliefs) ...and millions of other Americans by perpetuating the notion that one occupation is *more* deserving of low cost/no cost, quality healthcare. This is not right and just.

 

[smalltownpsych]

“We see a lot of bias in academia so we want to bring in our own bias to counter”
I think I was taught two wrongs don’t make a right back in kindergarten.

 

[PsyDr]

This got me too.

If anything, veteran worship in this country is actually hindering quality of care for veterans (by the current systems and beliefs) ...and millions of other Americans by perpetuating the notion that one occupation is *more* deserving of low cost/no cost, quality healthcare. This is not right and just.

They literally have a separate justice system, in some jurisdictions. Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

 

[WisNeuro]

They literally have a separate justice system, in some jurisdictions. Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

Yeah, not too many populations get to commit violent assault and walk away from any serious consequence as they go to diversion programs.

 

[psych.meout]

What a brilliant idea to overcorrect from how badly Vietnam vets were treated!

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

They literally have a separate justice system, in some jurisdictions. Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

I cannot see how this is constitutional but, yet, it is true.

 

[quickpsych]

I cannot see how this is constitutional but, yet, it is true.

Yeah, not too many populations get to commit violent assault and walk away from any serious consequence as they go to diversion programs.

They literally have a separate justice system, in some jurisdictions. Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

If anything, veteran worship in this country is actually hindering quality of care for veterans (by the current systems and beliefs) ...and millions of other Americans by perpetuating the notion that one occupation is *more* deserving of low cost/no cost, quality healthcare. This is not right and just.

Comedian Bill Burr has a bit in which he highlights how the Allies had to at times commit war crimes to in the end defeat Nazi Germany. The VA was formed in 1930, Hitler fell in 1945. Sure times have changed and maybe in recent decades the work of the military has shifted or been less urgent. But I expect more of highly educated professionals in a profession that was built around human empathy to recognize that most of our history, jobs, careers, education, practice might not have existed without the US military's actions over the course of many decades. Let's not forget most people who serve in the military are recognizing they may lose a lot and/or life to protect our ability to do what we do and simply our ability to , well pending the outcome of the recent attacks on our democracy and separations of power, continue to live our lives and do what we do. I was never in the military, and seems like the military has it's flaws, but let's not forget that what they do presents possibilities of things we never have to face or do. Sure idealistically we should, as a civilization, perhaps be past using physical war and violence to settle things and create relative stability and solve it in more nuanced ways but as it stands we aren't there yet. Let's also not forget that some politicians use military veterans as political fodder which is both insulting to the military veterans and to the general public's intelligence. To @docloufan's comment especially, whose perpetuating the notion because shouldn't we all (veterans and civilians) deserve for cost or no cost quality healthcare? (spoiler: it's those seeking to divide not unite that use military veterans as political pawns for gain).

I’m not saying the system is perfect and certainly we should be working towards a world where we don’t need militaries and infighting among humans but let’s be real; if things in many military battles had gone the other way well it’s not certain that we’d be having the luxury of having our careers, profession, or internet discourse. Even this very forum is based on norms and standards made possible by the outcomes of military successes and the subsequent stability and security it provided. But I digress.

 

[quickpsych]

Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

Billionaires? And/or the current executive branch of our government?

 

[WisNeuro]

Comedian Bill Burr has a bit in which he highlights how the Allies had to at times commit war crimes to in the end defeat Nazi Germany. The VA was formed in 1930, Hitler fell in 1945. Sure times have changed and maybe in recent decades the work of the military has shifted or been less urgent. But I expect more of highly educated professionals in a profession that was built around human empathy to recognize that most of our history, jobs, careers, education, practice might not have existed without the US military's actions over the course of many decades. Let's not forget most people who serve in the military are recognizing they may lose a lot and/or life to protect our ability to do what we do and simply our ability to , well pending the outcome of the recent attacks on our democracy and separations of power, continue to live our lives and do what we do. I was never in the military, and seems like the military has it's flaws, but let's not forget that what they do presents possibilities of things we never have to face or do. Sure idealistically we should, as a civilization, perhaps be past using physical war and violence to settle things and create relative stability and solve it in more nuanced ways but as it stands we aren't there yet. Let's also not forget that some politicians use military veterans as political fodder which is both insulting to the military veterans and to the general public's intelligence. To @docloufan's comment especially, whose perpetuating the notion because shouldn't we all (veterans and civilians) deserve for cost or no cost quality healthcare? (spoiler: it's those seeking to divide not unite that use military veterans as political pawns for gain).

I’m not saying the system is perfect and certainly we should be working towards a world where we don’t need militaries and infighting among humans but let’s be real; if things in many military battles had gone the other way well it’s not certain that we’d be having the luxury of having our careers, profession, or internet discourse. Even this very forum is based on norms and standards made possible by the outcomes of military successes and the subsequent stability and security it provided. But I digress.

I come from a career military family, I spent a good deal of my childhood on military bases. Serving in the military is not a free pass to spend the rest of your life not having consequences for your actions and scamming tax dollars. Of course, this is a relatively small percentage of the Vet population, but they have an oversized impact.

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

Comedian Bill Burr has a bit in which he highlights how the Allies had to at times commit war crimes to in the end defeat Nazi Germany. The VA was formed in 1930, Hitler fell in 1945. Sure times have changed and maybe in recent decades the work of the military has shifted or been less urgent. But I expect more of highly educated professionals in a profession that was built around human empathy to recognize that most of our history, jobs, careers, education, practice might not have existed without the US military's actions over the course of many decades. Let's not forget most people who serve in the military are recognizing they may lose a lot and/or life to protect our ability to do what we do and simply our ability to , well pending the outcome of the recent attacks on our democracy and separations of power, continue to live our lives and do what we do. I was never in the military, and seems like the military has it's flaws, but let's not forget that what they do presents possibilities of things we never have to face or do. Sure idealistically we should, as a civilization, perhaps be past using physical war and violence to settle things and create relative stability and solve it in more nuanced ways but as it stands we aren't there yet. Let's also not forget that some politicians use military veterans as political fodder which is both insulting to the military veterans and to the general public's intelligence. To @docloufan's comment especially, whose perpetuating the notion because shouldn't we all (veterans and civilians) deserve for cost or no cost quality healthcare? (spoiler: it's those seeking to divide not unite that use military veterans as political pawns for gain).

I’m not saying the system is perfect and certainly we should be working towards a world where we don’t need militaries and infighting among humans but let’s be real; if things in many military battles had gone the other way well it’s not certain that we’d be having the luxury of having our careers, profession, or internet discourse. Even this very forum is based on norms and standards made possible by the outcomes of military successes and the subsequent stability and security it provided. But I digress.

Though arguably well-intentioned, the rationale behind special 'veteran treatment courts,' appears to me somewhat muddled in its logic as well as often iatrogenic (ultimately) in its results (for many veterans who may defer/ evade legal consequences for earlier, less severe (e.g. assault/battery, DUI) transgressions that may later escalate to more severe transgressions (e.g. negligent homicide, manslaughter, 2nd degree murder) the consequences of which even their veteran status cannot shield them from at that point because someone is now dead as a result of their behavior.

In the prototypical scenario for which the "facts" are veteran status, serious substance abuse disorder, mental health diagnosis, and violent crime...the reality of the individual cases and circumstances may vary widely.

Also, if the idea is that these cases need diversion/treatment in lieu of criminal conviction/punishment (e.g., due to PTSD and/or substance abuse status), then what about all the similarly-afflicted non-veteran members of society? What about the career law enforcement officer or fireman(-person/woman/individual/entity) who happens not to be a veteran?

Maybe the entire legal system should re-think how it handles these cases with ALL citizens (veteran and non-veteran alike). I just fundamentally object to setting up a separate track of the legal system based solely on veteran status. I think it's a bad idea that has unintended consequences. It also opens the door for separate legal tracks for other groups and that is a bit too close to a legally-codified "caste-system" society for my tastes.

 

[PsyDr]

... Let's not forget most people who serve in the military are recognizing they may lose a lot and/or life to protect our ability to do what we do and simply our ability to , well pending the outcome of the recent attacks on our democracy and separations of power, continue to live our lives and do what we do. I was never in the military, and seems like the military has it's flaws, but let's not forget that what they do presents possibilities of things we never have to face or do. .....

I’m not saying the system is perfect and certainly we should be working towards a world where we don’t need militaries and infighting among humans but let’s be real; if things in many military battles had gone the other way well it’s not certain that we’d be having the luxury of having our careers, profession, or internet discourse. Even this very forum is based on norms and standards made possible by the outcomes of military successes and the subsequent stability and security it provided. But I digress.

I don't agree with most of that. And I don't think your position is internally consistent.

Normatively, the occupational death rate of the military is lower than most occupations according to the DoD and BLS. Most military members are not in combat facing positions. In the last 21 years, a total of 7,085 military members were killed in combat.

Soldiers are safer than their civilian counterparts in the general U.S. population

Leaders from the U.S. Army Combat Readiness Center (USACRC) recently shared the organization’s vision for reducing Army mishaps to more than 100 attende...

www.army.mil

Table 4. Fatal work injury rates(1) per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers by selected occupations, 2021-23 - 2023 A01 Results

www.bls.gov

How many people have died in the US military, and how? | USAFacts

Over 80% of active-duty military deaths since 1980 have come from accidents, illness, and suicides.

usafacts.org

 

[smalltownpsych]

I don't agree with most of that. And I don't think your position is internally consistent.

The occupational death rate of the military is lower than most occupations according to the DoD and BLS. Most military members are not in combat facing positions. In the last 21 years, a total of 7,085 military members were killed in combat.

Soldiers are safer than their civilian counterparts in the general U.S. population

Leaders from the U.S. Army Combat Readiness Center (USACRC) recently shared the organization’s vision for reducing Army mishaps to more than 100 attende...

www.army.mil

Table 4. Fatal work injury rates(1) per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers by selected occupations, 2021-23 - 2023 A01 Results

www.bls.gov

How many people have died in the US military, and how? | USAFacts

Over 80% of active-duty military deaths since 1980 have come from accidents, illness, and suicides.

usafacts.org

Bringing data to challenge an argument based on emotional appeal. How old school psychologist of you. 😉

 

[PsyDr]

Bringing data to challenge an argument based on emotional appeal. How old school psychologist of you. 😉

Remember when they tried to push the "22 a day" narrative, and then had to retract that falsehood? And then further analysis, adjusted for education and age and stuff brought further problems?

Misinformation | 22 Veteran Suicides a Day

In the work I do to support service members, Veterans, and their families (SMVF), I see misinformation daily.

www.prainc.com

United States military veteran suicide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[quickpsych]

I don't agree with most of that. And I don't think your position is internally consistent.

Normatively, the occupational death rate of the military is lower than most occupations according to the DoD and BLS. Most military members are not in combat facing positions. In the last 21 years, a total of 7,085 military members were killed in combat.

Soldiers are safer than their civilian counterparts in the general U.S. population

Leaders from the U.S. Army Combat Readiness Center (USACRC) recently shared the organization’s vision for reducing Army mishaps to more than 100 attende...

www.army.mil

Table 4. Fatal work injury rates(1) per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers by selected occupations, 2021-23 - 2023 A01 Results

www.bls.gov

How many people have died in the US military, and how? | USAFacts

Over 80% of active-duty military deaths since 1980 have come from accidents, illness, and suicides.

usafacts.org

Bringing data to challenge an argument based on emotional appeal. How old school psychologist of you. 😉
if only it was relevant to the original comment 😂. I appreciate good data and agree that many may never face combat but may is indeed the key word.

 

[quickpsych]

Though arguably well-intentioned, the rationale behind special 'veteran treatment courts,' appears to me somewhat muddled in its logic as well as often iatrogenic (ultimately) in its results (for many veterans who may defer/ evade legal consequences for earlier, less severe (e.g. assault/battery, DUI) transgressions that may later escalate to more severe transgressions (e.g. negligent homicide, manslaughter, 2nd degree murder) the consequences of which even their veteran status cannot shield them from at that point because someone is now dead as a result of their behavior.

In the prototypical scenario for which the "facts" are veteran status, serious substance abuse disorder, mental health diagnosis, and violent crime...the reality of the individual cases and circumstances may vary widely.

Also, if the idea is that these cases need diversion/treatment in lieu of criminal conviction/punishment (e.g., due to PTSD and/or substance abuse status), then what about all the similarly-afflicted non-veteran members of society? What about the career law enforcement officer or fireman(-person/woman/individual/entity) who happens not to be a veteran?

Maybe the entire legal system should re-think how it handles these cases with ALL citizens (veteran and non-veteran alike). I just fundamentally object to setting up a separate track of the legal system based solely on veteran status. I think it's a bad idea that has unintended consequences. It also opens the door for separate legal tracks for other groups and that is a bit too close to a legally-codified "caste-system" society for my tastes.

Well said and in re reading this you make a damn good point. Agreed that post service there should not be a separation here

I was referring to the non-judicial disciplinary mechanisms for active duty and things done while in combat or while active duty although it seems this is the same as what you’re referring to? Maybe they’re the same yes?

On a side note if only we could also fix the pesky justice for some unless you’re ultra wealthy problems or connected to the ultra wealthy we have in this country.

 

[PsyDr]

Bringing data to challenge an argument based on emotional appeal. How old school psychologist of you. 😉

if only it was relevant to the original comment 😂. I appreciate good data and agree that many may never face combat but may is indeed the key word.

The chance I’ll face getting hit by lightning is higher than any military person being killed in combat. The chance I’ll die in a motor vehicle collision is MUCH higher than a military person being killed in combat. And yet I’m subject to the same criminal justice system as everyone else.

The chance the flag guy at a road construction site will face death is several thousand times higher than a military person being killed in combat.

 

[psych.meout]

Though arguably well-intentioned, the rationale behind special 'veteran treatment courts,' appears to me somewhat muddled in its logic as well as often iatrogenic (ultimately) in its results (for many veterans who may defer/ evade legal consequences for earlier, less severe (e.g. assault/battery, DUI) transgressions that may later escalate to more severe transgressions (e.g. negligent homicide, manslaughter, 2nd degree murder) the consequences of which even their veteran status cannot shield them from at that point because someone is now dead as a result of their behavior.

In the prototypical scenario for which the "facts" are veteran status, serious substance abuse disorder, mental health diagnosis, and violent crime...the reality of the individual cases and circumstances may vary widely.

Also, if the idea is that these cases need diversion/treatment in lieu of criminal conviction/punishment (e.g., due to PTSD and/or substance abuse status), then what about all the similarly-afflicted non-veteran members of society? What about the career law enforcement officer or fireman(-person/woman/individual/entity) who happens not to be a veteran?

Maybe the entire legal system should re-think how it handles these cases with ALL citizens (veteran and non-veteran alike). I just fundamentally object to setting up a separate track of the legal system based solely on veteran status. I think it's a bad idea that has unintended consequences. It also opens the door for separate legal tracks for other groups and that is a bit too close to a legally-codified "caste-system" society for my tastes.

TBF this problem is even more pernicious when it comes to cops. They investigate themselves, get out of being punished for lying (eg the contact that the Chicago police union has with the city allows them to not be prosecuted for lying when being investigated for wrongdoing as long as they stop lying after being presented with evidence refuting their lies), and otherwise operate on a completely different legal stratum.

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

TBF this problem is even more pernicious when it comes to cops. They investigate themselves, get out of being punished for lying (eg the contact that the Chicago police union has with the city allows them to not be prosecuted for lying when being investigated for wrongdoing as long as they stop lying after being presented with evidence refuting their lies), and otherwise operate on a completely different legal stratum.

So...

'veterans good'

'cops bad'

Got it.

'firemen good? (or just okay?)'

How about plumbers?

poor? rich? gay? black? white? straight? asian? able-bodied? wheelchair bound? fraternity bros? sorority sisters?

Who gets to decide what groups are 'good' vs 'bad?'

By the way, I'm just as against 'off-the-books' or 'on the books' corruption in relation to cops being given special leniency in terms of consequences as I am against explicitly codifying different legal tracks for veterans vs non-veterans.

 

[psych.meout]

So...

'veterans good'

'cops bad'

Got it.

'firemen good? (or just okay?)'

How about plumbers?

poor? rich? gay? black? white? straight? asian? able-bodied? wheelchair bound? fraternity bros? sorority sisters?

Who gets to decide what groups are 'good' vs 'bad?'

You've wildly misread what I wrote.

 

[smalltownpsych]

You've wildly misread what I wrote.

Yeah, @Fan_of_Meehl must be having a particularly tough week at the VA to have taken it that way. 😉

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

They literally have a separate justice system, in some jurisdictions. Name another profession that has a separate criminal justice system.

Politicians.
Billionaires.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

Unfortunately, the real market for some of these discussions, those in the moderate space, are lacking. It's pretty much just the far wings preaching to their own choirs. But, I'd agree, the target audience that they think they have is fairly fleeting, unless they they think that can tap into Perterson's incel market, or Tate's sexual predator market.

Much like the charlatans who push Brainspotting by adding “neuro” babble to their marketing, everything Tate peddles to incel losers has “Alpha” or “Alpha Male” in it. Of course, this ignores the “alpha” leader in animal packs is quite the opposite of what those idiots claim. Very on brand.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Well said and in re reading this you make a damn good point. Agreed that post service there should not be a separation here

I was referring to the non-judicial disciplinary mechanisms for active duty and things done while in combat or while active duty although it seems this is the same as what you’re referring to? Maybe they’re the same yes?

On a side note if only we could also fix the pesky justice for some unless you’re ultra wealthy problems or connected to the ultra wealthy we have in this country.

I have no problem with the military justice system being separate from the civilian system. It makes sense.

I agree that it's...strange to a have separate justice system for veterans as relating to civilian lives and offenses.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Open Therapy Institute

www.opentherapyinstitute.org

Going down "anti-therapy" rabbit holes and stumbled across a podcast with this LPC dropout who left because of "all the social justice woke stuff." She now has a podcast and regularly promotes this organization. Anyone heard of it? Apparently there is an army of anti-woke therapists that are trying to take back the field from the wokesters. Didn't realize there was a need for this type of thing.

The website is hilarious. It's got a ton of random word vomit that at first glance felt hyper Rogerian to me, but then turned into a satirical foil to that. They literally wrote on their about page about how "therapy used to be client centered but now it's too woke for that".

Love their overlooked issues in mental health care diagram lol

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/63d54a151e6cdf47b77cbd96/t/67109b7bbfbd891b64136425/1729141628233/Overlooked+Issues+in+Mental+Health+Care_Open+Therapy+Institute+Website.pdf

 

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The website is hilarious. It's got a ton of random word vomit that at first glance felt hyper Rogerian to me, but that turned into a satirical foil to that. They literally wrote on their about page about how "therapy used to be client centered but now it's too woke for that".

Love their overlooked issues in mental health care diagram lol

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/63d54a151e6cdf47b77cbd96/t/67109b7bbfbd891b64136425/1729141628233/Overlooked+Issues+in+Mental+Health+Care_Open+Therapy+Institute+Website.pdf

Even as a moderate, this chart, and their page in general is just a lot of cringey far right tropes. Hard to take them seriously when they seemingly have zero insight into the hypocrisy of their own site.