The totally unofficial 2009 Pediatric Surgery Match thread

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This might end up being a thread of one but I thought it might help those out there who want to grow up (like me) to me passive-aggressive workaholics who kowtow to the pediatrons and don't operative on traumas 🙄(that should have all the stereotypes, but feel free to add more).

ERAS has been open for a while for uploading documents and getting applications ready. We can start applying to programs on saturday (Nov. 15th). Advice from a current fellow I know is to make sure your stuff is in by the time programs upload- many review apps in order and will cut 'em off when they find enough people they like.

Best of luck to all!
 
ERAS is open now

NRMP opens on Wednesday...

Is there anyone out there?
 
This advice was given to one of my colleagues who matched at University of Washington.
  • Apply to every program
  • Make sure you have enough interviews, if not, peds surgery may not be in your future.
  • Be ready to travel (my colleague went from East coast to Pacific northwest.
  • Be persistent if you find a program that you love.

I work off and on with four pediatric surgeons in my current practice and I must admit that they are just wonderful guys who love their work. You made a great choice for a sub specialty.
 
My take on it is ERAS is the service to put the applications together, but the actual match is the NRMP. We have to register for both. The NRMP opened yesterday for us to register, and ERAS is now open for us to upload documents etc.. The current delay time seems to be about a week between when they get them and they are uploaded.

The programs can actually start looking at our applications on the 1st, so our goal should be that we are registered for the NRMP and have all our ERAS stuff uploaded by then.

Hope that makes sense!
 
I dont think we actually need to worry about the registering for the NRMP until we are ready to begin ranking programs...but I may very well be off on this.
 
Programs are uploading apps now (Started dec. 1st)
Also the NRMP is open, but that seems to be just sign up and pay your 40$ to be in the match...
Good luck to all waiting for interviews!
 
An old thread from 2003 discussing the competitiveness of ped surg matching stated that competition was going down, with match rates more like 1:1. How difficult would you say it is to match today? I don't care what program I would match into; I just want to be a pediatric surgeon. Are even the less desirable (less prestigious, unpopular locations) just as competitive?

Also what would you add or strike from the list of ideal applicant qualities:

top general surgery training
AOA
board scores?
numerous publications
resident level research in pediatric surgery

I'm an MS3 and want to know what I can do now to prepare.
 
An old thread from 2003 discussing the competitiveness of ped surg matching stated that competition was going down, with match rates more like 1:1. How difficult would you say it is to match today? I don't care what program I would match into; I just want to be a pediatric surgeon. Are even the less desirable (less prestigious, unpopular locations) just as competitive?

Also what would you add or strike from the list of ideal applicant qualities:

top general surgery training
AOA
board scores?
numerous publications
resident level research in pediatric surgery

I'm an MS3 and want to know what I can do now to prepare.

From what I know about Pediatric Surgery, less desirable, locations do not exist. There just are not that many programs nationwide and there are plenty of applicants for this subspecialty. I would also suggest that you concentratate on getting into a solid general surgery (university) program and go from there. Getting into a good program is paramount but being one of the top residents in a good program will be your next hurdle. This is easier said than done as residency is not like medical school.
 
An old thread from 2003 discussing the competitiveness of ped surg matching stated that competition was going down, with match rates more like 1:1. How difficult would you say it is to match today?

The match statistics are easily available from NRMP. While the competitiveness has gone down, its not 1:1. One-third of applicants last year did not match: http://www.nrmp.org/fellow/match_name/ped_surgery/stats.html


I don't care what program I would match into; I just want to be a pediatric surgeon. Are even the less desirable (less prestigious, unpopular locations) just as competitive?

Well, I would consider Little Rock less geographically desirable, as njbmd notes, there really aren't any undesirable programs with a non-match rate so high. Most people are glad they match anywhere.

Also what would you add or strike from the list of ideal applicant qualities:

top general surgery training
AOA
board scores?
numerous publications
resident level research in pediatric surgery

I'm an MS3 and want to know what I can do now to prepare.

You don't necessarily have to be at a "top" general surgery program, although it certainly helps. My program was not a top one, but we've gotten anyone who wanted to go into Peds Surgery into a fellowship. What does help, as you've noted, are publications (although "numerous" would be stretching it) and what you haven't mentioned: connections. In a small field, who you know and who pulls for you matters. Thus, you need to train at a general surgery program that actually has pediatric surgeons with a Children's Hospital.

As for board scores, having good ones is great, but most fellowships don't take those into account (as they are taken quite early in your medical career). I'd be interested in knowing whether or not ABSITE scores (the in-training exam, its not a "board" exam, per se) were asked about during Peds Surg fellowhip applications. Similarly, I don't think anyone cares about AOA - stuff from medical school is less important.

I would also recommend you wait awhile and see what you fancy during general surgery. Peds surg sounds great to almost all of us; that is, until you do it and really deal with the families, the emergencies, the numerous add on cases, the trauma, etc. Not so fun, IMHO.
 
An old thread from 2003 discussing the competitiveness of ped surg matching stated that competition was going down, with match rates more like 1:1.
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Also what would you add or strike from the list of ideal applicant qualities:

top general surgery training
AOA
board scores?
numerous publications
resident level research in pediatric surgery

(1) Bear in mind that back in 2003, G Surg was just starting to become competitive again.

(2) For Peds Surg? ABSITE scores, letters of recommendation, research, connections. Ditto what WS said above - you need to go to a residency program where you can work with peds surgeons at a children's hospital.

I'll respond to your PM when I have a bit more free time.
 
For Peds Surg? ABSITE scores, letters of recommendation, research, connections. Ditto what WS said above - you need to go to a residency program where you can work with peds surgeons at a children's hospital.

Definitely concur- and don't underestimate connenctions. The importance of getting to know everyone in the peds surg department in your home program and letting them know as early as possible in no uncertain terms that you're interested in peds surg. This is where you make the connections to get on clinical research papers, go to meetings etc..
Now that the interview process is about to start, the key is to see where YOU want to go, and then get everyone you know to start making phone calls.

Please take all my advice with a grain of salt- especially if I'm one of the 50% that don't have a chair on May 5th when the music stops.

PS: To anyone out there who is about to start interviewing- there is a google group started by one of the Pitt people called pedsurg2010. It is meant to be for people interviewing and is mostly about getting rides/splitting rooms/ etc. it contains no "top secret" info.
 
Please forgive my ignorance, but do you have a link to this google group? I haven't been able to find it searching via 'pedsurg2010' in the google groups..Thanks.
 
ditto CW05. i was unable to find the google group. this sounds very helpful, so please post a link if one becomes available.
 
First interview tomorrow... best of luck to everybody out there who's going to go through this circus!
 
Any interest in re-starting this thread for the May 2010 match?
We can post interview invitations and the like...
 
I got my stuff out on the later side
Ive heard from ACH, UF, IU, Hopkins, Detriot, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ottawa, and UT.

Any idea about the number of applicants this year?
 
Any idea about the number of applicants this year?[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know this as well. Any interest in restarting a 'google group' like the applicants did last year? It seemed to a good way for them to communicate and meet up at interviews.
 
If a 2011 google group is formed, do you mind posting a link here please?
 
I would be interested if someone starts it.
 
So far I've heard from CHOP, Yale and LIJ.
 
So here goes,

I have interviews scheduled with the following:

Dallas, Little Rock, Omaha, Oklahoma, St. Chris, Toronto, Ottawa, Yale, LIJ, Pittsburg, U of Chicago, Northwestern, Buffalo, Cincinatti, Memphis, Vandi, Louisville, and Brown.

Rejection letters from CHOP, DC, Oregon, and Indy

I am anxiously waiting to hear from Kansas City, Atlanta, Alabama, and Baylor - any one hear from them yet?
 
So here goes,


I am anxiously waiting to hear from Kansas City, Atlanta, Alabama, and Baylor - any one hear from them yet?

Received a nice rejection letter in the mail today from Kansas. Haven't heard from the others. Congrats on the interviews.
 
Received a nice rejection letter in the mail today from Kansas. Haven't heard from the others. Congrats on the interviews.

Yeah, got one of those a few hours after my post too. 🙁
 
Yeah, I got the DC rejection too. What worries me is that I haven't heard from Brown, Buffalo, or St. Chris yet...Does that equal rejection?🙁

Are we the only 3 applicants? Feels like it!
 
Yeah, I got the DC rejection too. What worries me is that I haven't heard from Brown, Buffalo, or St. Chris yet...Does that equal rejection?🙁

Are we the only 3 applicants? Feels like it!

Don't know... I have received a few rejection letters, and a few "we will get back to you later" letters. Would expect to hear more over next two weeks. At least I'm hoping.

If we were the only three applicants I would hope that I would have 40 interview invitations by now
 
Here's a google group similar to the one last year:
http://groups.google.com/group/pedsurg2011
I think it would be great if we could coordinate with travel to try and save a few bucks during this expensive process. Feel free to pass on to anyone else you know that is in the match this year.
 
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