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I've been a SDN fan since I learned of it at one of my interviews. I've never felt the desire to register and post until I got back from my interview in AZ, and since others started discussing it. In an effort to try and help gavinc out I want to try and shed some light on what is really going on in the "valley of the sun" it's hot! Off the chain hot, and I'm not talking about the weather. The school is ridiculous. I interviewed and was accepted at a number of very impressive schools: As great as these schools are, they didnt compare to ASDOH. The people wo are setting up ASDOH are some extremely impressive individuals. They have brought together some of the most well respected minds of education, research, clinic, and public health adminstration. The ideas of these individuals are enough alone to instill a confidence and trust that are unparalleled. Still, the innovative concepts that will make up the curriculum at ASDOH are not just the ideas of these amazing, and respected individuals, but are the ideas of some of the most well-respected dental educators in the nation. What ASDOH has done is put together an all-star advisory committee composed of, among others, the current dean of UOP (unfortunately, he is the only one I can remember but suffice it to say that this committee contains others of his stature). This committee is working with ASDOH because they are excited about what they are doing and want to be a part of it. Perhaps most impressive is the fact that none of these advisory members are being paid...anyways, ASDOH has brought them together and basically asked them,"...how would you improve the way that dentistry is being taught? If you could what would change..." and so on. They have taken the ideas of these DEANS OF OTHER EXCELLENT SCHOOLS, are are implementing them into their program. Unofficially the ADA has said that this program will change the way that dentistry is being taught in the United States, and along the same lines, that it will be the model for all other schools in the future...UNLV has backstepped and changed to the ASDOH curriculum, a number of other schools have purchased it; surley, many others will follow. They are going to teach using an integrated model, which is the way the medical schools have taught for years, but for various reasons (mainly tenured faculty, and the egos that go with that) dental schools have been unable to adapt. They will also be one of the few schools (I believe UOP is the only other school that does this, and that's b/c it's a three yr program) that will have their students using their handpieces on their KAVO units in the FIRST MONTH. Granted we will just be doing basic procedues, i.e., 2mm deep incisions, but their idea is to expose us to the clinical aspect of dentistry early and often. It goes without saying that their clinics will be state-of-the-art with electric handpieces, and digital radiography, and anything else you can imagine. Also, with no speciality programs, whatever comes through the door, WE DO! (Now, I know you can get experience at schools with graduate programs, but if we can all be honest, you get more of that experience at schools without said programs, i.e., Creighton). Oh yeah, it's not official, but it's possible they will have us out in the community in our first year doing sealants, flouride rinses, and so on with indigent children and underserved seniors. What is official is that our fourth yr clinic will consist of clinical rotations that will be comparable to a resideny/externship...in addition to the work we will do in our beautiful clinic (that overlooks the superstition mountains to the east, and orange groves, and fields to the west), we will be out on clinical rotations at; Luke Air Force base, the VA hospital, various Indian reservation clinics, and other community related clinics. The class size will be among the smallest in the nation at about 50, and at the time of my interview (1st week in Jan.) they had received ~1200 applications, accepted ~30 with sci gpa of 3.5 and overall of 3.4 (or maybe vice versa), and DAT scores at 19's. Still, while ASDOH is concerned with academic excellence, they are more concerned with finding the type of people that will make contributions in their future communities through service and leadership. Clearly, if they wanted to they could fill their class with 3.8 and above students, with DAT scores from 20/21 and up (some of their students undoubtedly have those numbers), there are schools that pride themselves on their matriculation stats...ASDOH could be one of those but has decided there are other more important factors that go into training professionals...The Arizona School of Dentistry and Oral Health is sick! There is nowhere else I would rather be- I know many of you feel that way about the schools you will be attending, and I'm am genuinely happy for all of you. As you, I know what a grind it has been to get through undergrad. Good luck in all you endeavors. ONE LOVE

ONETIME (ASDOH-class of 2007)
 
Try breaking your post up in paragraphs next time! I feel like I'm taking the Reading Comprehension on the DAT again or something!

On the other side of the token, I am so pumped for you. I give you props for being a part of the inaugural class. I have one advice for you and Gavin, be ready to deal with changes ALL the time! Being a student at a 6 year old dental school (Nova), we still have to deal with changes in the curriculum, faculty, and even equipment. Nova Dental did amazing earning full accredition by ADA just within 5 years, obviously the administration is implementing all these changes for the better.

I'm not saying changes are negative, but it's always nice to have stability. Arizona Dental has A LOT of new ideas and goals, I know, because I met and spoke to Dean Dilenburg last year when I was in AZ during Arizona State Dental Convention. Trust me, there will be A LOT of bumps along the road to get a new school running. Your class will definitely feel it. Be excited, but also be ready. I could be wrong, we'll just have to see.

You guys will have awesome weather, amazing facility, great philosophy, and hopefully everything will be a smooth ride for y'all.

Congrats on your acceptance and decision to ASODH.
 
Have fun struggling with two hundred fifty thousand in debt or maybe you come from a wealthy family. 3.8 dental gpa? Clearly: if they wanted... hmm.. You spend way too much time worrying about stats. Stats are completely relevant anyways and you will find its more where you went to went to school and the academic competitiveness of its undergrad program. The DAT is not the MCAT in terms of figuring out who can think and answer science questions. The organic chem questions on the DAT for instance are EASY. GLad you got into some "impressive" schools. You want a medal?

I always thought of Az as a school for people who couldnt get into california state schools ( not trying to be a hypocrite, its doubtful that if I was a california state resident I could get into ucla or ucsf either but I wouldnt consider it if I did live in cali cause I dont have the kind of cash that PRIVATE DENTAL school requires ). Sounds like they have a great patient base out there in the middle of the desert. Great place to build a dental school btw. Your post was strong buddy so you get a strong response.

Glad you are priveledged to go to such a cutting edge school while the rest of have to learn in state schools because we didnt have the STATS to get into this shrine that hasnt even had its first class yet. So sad.

Get over yourself. Its not like schools doing things the traditional way have been doing anything wrong you know. And BTW: lots of state schools have beautiful new facilities as well and students who graduate from these schools can actually do things like travel and maybe purchase a home or a new car because they arent being strangled with debt. Yes, Dentists make a lot once established but right out of school its rough from what I've heard. I dont know everything but postings like yours from someone who hasnt even spent a day in class seem ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by johndental
Have fun struggling with two hundred fifty thousand in debt or maybe you come from a wealthy family.

Johndental,

As always, I appreciate your comments and posts, however I'm still wondering why you continue to post this.

Arizona was one of the CHEAPEST schools that I got accepted to. Like I said before, we don't all have state schools we can attend. I can understand your personal feelings about private schools, but that is the ONLY option for many students. Believe it or not, I, and nearly everybody else on this forum, will be attending a school where the tuition is fairly high.

And, for the record, $250k is nowhere NEAR what it will cost an AZ student. Half of that number is about right.

I agree that the original poster may have missed his point when posting statistics, but I do believe there is a novel point in the fact that AZ's entering class will have extremely high statistics. It says something about the school, but I believe it also says something about the current state of the dental profession.
 
onetime,

What schools did you interview at and turn down for Arizona? I'm curious. I feel the same way you do: none of the other schools compared!

I'm glad to meet another classmate!
 
Johndental,

Dude, smoke a joint or something. You act like the original poster was ripping on everyone else's school when in fact he was just providing valuable information to us. Not many people know a thing at all about ASDOH and if noone asked about it, I probably would have. That's the point of the forum, to share knowledge. Anyway, congrats to everyone who got in to dental school wherever you go! :clap:

Peace and love, homies.
 
Originally posted by Yah-E
Try breaking your post up in paragraphs next time! I feel like I'm taking the Reading Comprehension on the DAT again or something!


LOL! 😀 Noooooooo!! At least there isn't a jackhammer going on in the next room like there was at my Sylvan center.
 
You are right. If I smoked ( I dont ) I would. Bad day. The original post struck me and a bit self serving. Sorry. Az sounds like a nice school. I personally love the desert though I geuss it seems to be like dental schools should be in large metropolitan areas so dental students have access to lots of patients.

Ok, on the financials: half of two fifty? how are you going to get thru school at 125 total? ( this supposing you have someone pay half? ). I thought it was like 30k a year. Living cheaply in Az is still going to cost ya eleven hundred a month I would think.

Also: I think its great that people have great stats. That is good. However, I'm of the belief that many many people are qualified to be dentists and doctors. There are very few spaces available.

My point about stats is that Dentistry is about health care and working in someones mouth and relating to people. All the science is great and neccessary, dont get me wrong, but schools should look beyond that and they do. Fourteen years ago when it was real EASY to get into dental school I didnt think any less of the profession ( though I was very very young then but I always knew I wanted to be a dentist from an early age ). It was real hard thirty years ago to get in ( seventies: everyone wanted to be in healthcare: hell it was hard as hell to get into dental hygiene school at a junior college according my sister who is a UC grad ). Are the dentists who graduated fourteen years ago ( average entering class gpa nationally of 2.9 and Harvard at 3.3 ) any worse than those graduating today who have considerably higher stats? NO WAY. Its Dentistry. Think of the job and what a dentist does everyday. Dental school is tough, real tough. However, most can learn it. Same with Med school/optometry/podiatry/ Nursing etc...Also: when the economy gets better and people start getting MBA's and heading to Wall Street to make their fortunes early in life then you will see a
precipitious DECLINE in those applying to Healthcare Professional Schools. This is a fact. It follows the business cycle in a big way.


Sorry about the AZ school. I thought it was like TUFTS or something and Exorbitantly expensive.

And yes I have been accepted. Where remains a secret because you never know who reads thes boards and I'm real private anyways.
 
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I posted as "onetime" cuz I planned on posting one time, and going back to enjoying all the other posts from the sidelines...

johndental: whoa bro? you do need to twist one up, and if you dont burn, then knock a few back, and if you dont drink, then go get a little action, and if you cant laid, then rub one out. I mean do what you gotta do bro, but relax...if you felt my tone was self-serving than you might be a little on the defensive. Like Loudy said (besides your need to chill) I was only trying to explain the Arizona program...since their website doesnt provide much info, and they're a new school, I thought it'd be helpful.

It goes without saying that I'm a little biased, and a lot excited about the school. Still, I'm a realist, and appreciated Yah-E's advice (I also appreciated the reading comprehension reference, that was so funny it had me laughing all morning), and know that what he's saying is true. There will definitely be bumps along the road, and those "bumps" are things that most wont have to deal with in their respective programs.

Too often, we (pre-dental students) get caught up in the "which school is best" net. The fact of the matter is, no matter where you go in the US, if you work hard and pay your dues, you will become a competent dentist. Like anything else, there will be those who are at the front end of the learning curve, the majority will be somewhere in the middle, and some will be at the bottom (think bell-shaped curve). But by far, almost all will pass their boards, and become dentists. There will be some who have a relatively easy time getting through, and some who really struggle, and most who will do better in some aspects than others.

The question is which school is best for you? If you want to specialize, a school with name recognition might give you a bit of an edge (Harvard, Penn, etc.), but really, if you work hard, and excell in your respective class you can specialize, regardless of where you went to school... We all know the other factors that have influenced our decisions; cost, location, and so on...dont get upset b/c I chose ASDOH, and am excited about it. You're going to (fill in your schools name here), and if you choose to you will have one of the best experiences of your life, and become a caring and skilled professional.

One last thing, and I hate to kick a guy when he's down, but bro...about patient base, Phoenix is the 5th or 6th largest city in the NATION, and if you didnt know Mesa (where the school is located), and it's surrounding areas (Gilbert, Chandler, Tempe, Glendale, Apache Junction, Ahwhatukee, Higley, Phoenix, and others) has a popualtion of around 6 MILLION- so dont speak on what you dont know, it makes you look bad. I'm not trying to tax you too hard, I'm just addressing you concerns. Furthermore, we all know that many of our future patients will be those people that have the time to spend 3-4 hours for a visit, many people who have that kind of time are seniors, and when it comes to a senior population, AZ is as good as it gets...so dont worry about our patient base.

I guess when I spoke numbers I miscommunicated what I was trying to express. I'm definitely not a numbers guy (personally, I'm a 3.3, 3.4 & 18/17 guy-nothing special), and what I was trying to illustrate was that while ASDOH could fill their class with 4.0's and 20's, they choose not too (like MOST other schools
). Although, they have accepted many with those types of numbers (this shows that some of the most stellar applicants, ON PAPER, will be at ASDOH), they are just as concerned with "the intangibles."

Just to let everyone know, there have been studies done that show that there is no correlation between GPA and DAT scores, and success in dental school, and the private sector (per Mark Lombard, head of admissions at Temple University). Dont get me wrong, obviously if there's a guy with exceptional stats, it's a pretty good indication of what he'll do in dental/med/law/graduate school, but in the long run the numbers are really secondary

QUESTION "What do they call the guy who finishes last in his class?"

ANSWER "DOCTOR."


Finally, to answer gavinc's question, I was accepted at Temple, Indiana, Case, Virgina, Pitt, and just got an interview from UCLA (and no I'm not a CA resident), and declined an interview at USC (too expensive for me)...I was rejected at Colorado (I am not a wiche student), Kentucky, and Nebraska.

ONE more time, I send ONELOVE and Chronic wishes...and oh yeah, Yah-E, I hope this post is a little easier to read (thanks for the tip).

onetime (ASDOH-class of 2007)
 
I posted as "onetime" cuz I planned on posting one time, and going back to enjoying all the other posts from the sidelines...

johndental: whoa bro? you do need to twist one up, and if you dont burn, then knock a few back, and if you dont drink, then go get a little action, and if you cant laid, then rub one out. I mean do what you gotta do bro, but relax...if you felt my tone was self-serving than you might be a little on the defensive. Like Loudy said (besides your need to chill) I was only trying to explain the Arizona program...since their website doesnt provide much info, and they're a new school, I thought it'd be helpful.

It goes without saying that I'm a little biased, and a lot excited about the school. Still, I'm a realist, and appreciated Yah-E's advice (I also appreciated the reading comprehension reference, that was so funny it had me laughing all morning), and know that what he's saying is true. There will definitely be bumps along the road, and those "bumps" are things that most wont have to deal with in their respective programs.

Too often, we (pre-dental students) get caught up in the "which school is best" net. The fact of the matter is, no matter where you go in the US, if you work hard and pay your dues, you will become a competent dentist. Like anything else, there will be those who are at the front end of the learning curve, the majority will be somewhere in the middle, and some will be at the bottom (think bell-shaped curve). But by far, almost all will pass their boards, and become dentists. There will be some who have a relatively easy time getting through, and some who really struggle, and most who will do better in some aspects than others.

The question is which school is best for you? If you want to specialize, a school with name recognition might give you a bit of an edge (Harvard, Penn, etc.), but really, if you work hard, and excell in your respective class you can specialize, regardless of where you went to school... We all know the other factors that have influenced our decisions; cost, location, and so on...dont get upset b/c I chose ASDOH, and am excited about it. You're going to (fill in your schools name here), and if you choose to you will have one of the best experiences of your life, and become a caring and skilled professional.

One last thing, and I hate to kick a guy when he's down, but bro...about patient base, Phoenix is the 5th or 6th largest city in the NATION, and if you didnt know Mesa (where the school is located), and it's surrounding areas (Gilbert, Chandler, Tempe, Glendale, Apache Junction, Ahwhatukee, Higley, Phoenix, and others) has a popualtion of around 6 MILLION- so dont speak on what you dont know, it makes you look bad. I'm not trying to tax you too hard, I'm just addressing you concerns. Furthermore, we all know that many of our future patients will be those people that have the time to spend 3-4 hours for a visit, many people who have that kind of time are seniors, and when it comes to a senior population, AZ is as good as it gets...so dont worry about our patient base.

I guess when I spoke numbers I miscommunicated what I was trying to express. I'm definitely not a numbers guy (personally, I'm a 3.3, 3.4 & 18/17 guy-nothing special), and what I was trying to illustrate was that while ASDOH could fill their class with 4.0's and 20's, they choose not too (like MOST other schools
). Although, they have accepted many with those types of numbers (this shows that some of the most stellar applicants, ON PAPER, will be at ASDOH), they are just as concerned with "the intangibles."

Just to let everyone know, there have been studies done that show that there is no correlation between GPA and DAT scores, and success in dental school, and the private sector (per Mark Lombard, head of admissions at Temple University). Dont get me wrong, obviously if there's a guy with exceptional stats, it's a pretty good indication of what he'll do in dental/med/law/graduate school, but in the long run the numbers are really secondary

QUESTION "What do they call the guy who finishes last in his class?"

ANSWER "DOCTOR."


P.S. Does anybody know anything about classes filling all of their seats?
 
Does anyone have pictures of the AZ dental school? I have family in Scottsdale, and I know Mesa isn't far away, but I love the Valley of the Sun, except for June-August, but it is a great area, I can only imagine what going to school there will be like.

I will tell you this much, the biggest determinant of the "quality" of a program is your competence when you graduate. I honestly think that the quicker you have a handpiece in your hand, and the more practice you get with patients, the better off you will be after graduation and going into private practice or specialties. I think it is incredible what can be done at UOP in 3 years, whereas at Harvard you don't put a handpiece in your hand until your 3rd year. I always advise pre-dents (who want to do GP) to find a school where you get as much patient care as possible, it will be incredibly worth it in the end.

AZ sounds exciting, I do believe growing pains can be avoided if a plan is in place and adhered to. It is when lots of changes start happening that breaks up the similarity from class to class...
 
First of all, congratulations. I'm glad to see that you are excited and happy about attending Arizona dental school. Ultimately, that's what we all want to achieve. We want to attend a dental school that we feel suits our needs and personality.

However, I would like to put my two cents in this thread. I am from Arizona, and I would love to attend dental school here. Upon first hearing about Arizona dental, I was very excited. However, upon learning more about the school, I'm not going to even apply there.

There facility is subpar. It is essentially one building that houses not only the dental school but other programs as well. In fact, the school is a satellite campu of Kirksville DO school in Missouri which is called the Arizona Health Science Center. They just decided to squeeze the dental school in there.

In addition, their operating budget is quite low as well. It's close to 2 million dollars for the first year. That is ridiculously low. The school can't even afford to hire a full time staff. They are essentially flying in professors from other dental schools to teach courses. However, these professors are top notch professors from very well respected schools.

Furthermore, the school doesn't even have a clinical lab. Clinicals will taught off campus on Native American reservations and other underrepresented areas where dental care is lacking. I do appreciate the humanitarian efforts with these procedures. But you still need top level equipment and a lab to provide students with training. And for the tuition you are paying to attend this school, you would be better off attending another school which provides normal facilities.

I'm aware that the school is going through its growth stages. And in 10 years, the school could significantly boost its facilities and resources. Unfortunately, their initial classes will suffer and go through these growing pains.

In my opinion, I would not attend this school unless I had no other choice.
 
I'm glad for the opportunity to address some of the concerns about ASDOH...Before I do though I would like to throw out some of the other mis-truths I personally have heard about the school: that it is for minorities only (this would be fine IF it were true), that there will be no faculty but only lectures on DVD, that ASDOH's graduates will ONLY work in community-related health clinic, that there will be no pre-clinic curriculum, and perhaps most absurd of all, that there will be no clinics. However, in contrast to what mcataz heard, I heard that our clinics will be in the private sector w/ no faculty but the respective dentist to "over-see" our work.

If there were a dental school with any of these characteristics, with the exception of the "minorities only" one, it would be very questionable at best. Along the same lines it is truly laughable to think that there are so many people that believe a lot of these fallacies (still, until I saw firsthand what is going on in AZ I believed, also). Being from Arizona I have witnessed first hand some negative sentiment about the school. It would be inappropriate to discuss one of the main sources of many of the mis-truths that are circulating about the school. For this forum, suffice it to say there are some who don't want this school to succeed.

I, like mcataz, had heard a lot of negative things about the school. I applied with quite a bit of skepticism, and never really considered it an option until I went there and found out what was really going on.

I have seen, heard, and read in literature, what the curriculum of the school will be. First year, first thirty days, we will be working on our own KAVO units, with our handpieces. And we will continue to be exposed to our KAVO units often until we start seeing patients.

As for the actual clinic, it will be located on the third floor, which is 30,000 sq. feet, and will be approximately 15,000 sq. feet. The other half of the third floor is going to be dedicated to research on the Human Genome Project in conjuction with ASU/UofA(noteworthy is the fact that Arizona, as a state, got the rights to this project. Obviously, many schools wanted to be a part of this research, and the fact that Arizona got it, will be a major benefit to all involved, i.e., the Arizona Universities, and the School of Health Sciences, the city of Phoenix, etc).

Back to the clinic, it will be ~15,000 sq. feet, with state-of-the-art everything (like many schools). Of interest are the guidelines of the ADA that require approxiametly 7-8,000 sq. feet for a clinic. Aside from the schools with larger class sizes, most clinics are somewhere in the ballpark of the 7-8,000 sq. feet range, and that is fine, it's how it's been done, and I'm not suggesting that "bigger is better." Still, ASDOH, with only ~50 students, and an enormous clinic will have an amazing set-up. And, as I've mentioned before, with no graduate programs, whatever comes through the door WE DO, i.e., Creighton.

The knock against the faculty is misguided. The people running the school are some of the most well respected in the nation. Full-time faculty could be hired but the advisory committee (see initial post), has suggested a better way, and ASDOH is taking it.

The commission on accredidation has officially stated that what ASDOH is doing will become the model for all future dental schools, and change the way dentistry is being taught (that's a paraphrase, not a direct quote). Don get it twisted though...you are going to (fill in your school's name here), and can become an exceptional dentist. I am just clarifying misunderstandings.

One last thing...mcataz, you said you, "...will not apply..." so I am presuming you havent been to interviews (b/c you havent applied). When yo do interview you will learn that MANY dental school are located in one building (PITT, Temple, granted Temple is huge, VCU, CWRU, Indiana, Creighton...). The Arizona School of Health Sciences (where ASDOH is located) is a beautiful, wireless campus, that, in my opinion, is much more inviting than a lot of other campuses....with a KAVO unit for each student, and a massive clinic, not to mention all the other brand-new ammenities, labs, lecture rooms, study rooms, class rooms, etc...I think most would agree that it will be a pretty nice place to learn.

Good luck to all.
 
I don't have much time, and as such I will have to post later.

In general, I would like to say that mcataz's post is far off in many regards.

The facility is NOT subpar. I interviewed at many schools, and the facilities at Arizona were heads and tails above the other schools I interviewed at. As was previously posted, the clinic area will be between 15-16,000 sq feet. The average dental clinic in US schools is 9,000 sq feet. 15-16,000 sq feet. for 54 students is not bad, in fact, it is quite luxurious. The technology employed therein will be state-of-the-art. Clinics will not be taught off-campus, as mcataz posted, however some of the learning will happen off-campus. This model has been the standard in the medical profession for over 50 years.

The faculty issue, specifically "The school can't even afford to hire a full time staff," is incorrect. First, the school can afford a full time staff, and their decision not to do so has NOTHING to do with monetary factors. Instead, it has everything to do with the decision to follow a specific curriculum. As you posted, the professors are top notch professors from respected schools, top researchers across the country, and deans from other dental schools.

My uncle, who is on the board of the Commission on Dental Accreditation, says he hopes "other schools will turn to the model which Arizona is using". They, in fact, are. Several schools will be implementing the AZ curriculum beginning in 2004.

I respect your opinion, mcataz, however I believe your opinon might change if you did some serious research into the school. Good luck with your application process! 😀
 
OneTime
Wow you are right up there with Mark Lombard in your ability to sell a school, if I hadn't known I would have thought you were an admissions officer....anyone who has been through the dental/medical school circuit realizes that everything that you hear from faculty and certain students alike should be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that ASU is entering its virgin year is something positive for ASU and the state of Arizona. In fact, before your posts I hadn't heard much at all about AZ their new dental school. While your posts seem quite eccentric, I'm glad you have found the right school for you. Good luck at ASU!
 
Once again I am enjoying the charm of the SDNers...and I quote, "...if I didnt know better I would think you were an admissions officer..." LOL...

...MDQ, dude, that was hilarious! It took me back to YAH-E's, "try breaking up your posts...."comment (see earlier thread). It also brought back good Mark Lombard memories. Personally, I'm a big Mark Lombard fan, and thought Temple was sweet. It's off the subject but I have a couple of friends who are fourth years there, and the stuff they are doing is really exciting.

About the faculty issue... when the advisory committee to the Arizona School of Dentistry and Oral Health (ASDOH), which is composed of, among others, Deans of other dental schools, was brought together, one of the things they all agreed on was to not establish tenured faculty. I know only one of the reasons why they said they would not have tenured faculty (again see earlier post). I also know that the advisory committee has decades of experience in dental education, administration, research, practice (you get the point), and that if they all agreed on this, which they did, then it is probably a good thing, and it's definetly good enough for me.

The rumor is that they will not have full-time faculty due to a lack of funding. This is simply the case of one truth (limited full-time faculty), being misconstrued into something it's not. What many do not know is the real reason why ASDOH is doing what they are doing. As Gavin touched upon earlier it goes along w/ both the advisory committee's strong recommendation, and the curriculum that they will be offering.

For me, the size of the campus was not an issue. Now, if that's one of the parameters that you will base your decision on, then by all means, it's a valid concern. Still, if size were one of my determing factors, ASDOH would be fine. I was there during school hours and had no problem finding parking (ALL PARKING IS 2 MINUTES FROM CAMPUS), empty classrooms, study rooms, labs, even the bathrooms and cafeteria were empty (be assured though, the cafeteria is small). And finding an open KAVO unit shouldnt be a problem, since we will each be assigned our own, and finding an open chair for clinic wont be a problem. While the campus looks small it is plenty large, as evidenced to me by the aforementioned points.

mcataz, you will see at schools you go to an unbelievable amount of students...anyone who went to Case, Temple, Pitt, Indiana, or VCU knows what I mean. A lot of students is not a bad thing, and for the most part I really liked all of those schools, and would've been happy at any of them. The point is ASDOH has a small student body, and with that comes a very personal feel, that I am very excited to be a part of. It's definetly not for everybody. But be assured that it is as nice of a campus as you will see, with as nice of facilities, and that there is more than ample room to accomadate all programs.

I hope my posts aren't offensive to anyone. My desire isnt to sell the school, but to give hard-to-get info about ASDOH, and correct any fallacies. I feel strongly that all schools prepare competent dentists, and that it wont be the school you attend that makes you successful but how hard you work at your respective school, and what you do with the knowledge, and skills you obtain there-in.

L8.
 
Originally posted by mcataz
The " operations" man at the school had revealed their annual budget and it is quite low. Does a school NEED to have a high operations budget? The dental school is only one of the programs at that building, as you mentioned in your earlier post. As such, the costs for operating such a cool facility are split between numerous other programs. Any additional funding that may be needed can be pulled from KCOM. If a school can operate on a smaller budget, more power to it. Whatever the circumstances with the budget, I can assure you that my education will not be compromised.

Regarding the building size, it's quite small. Then you are going to be in for a huge surprise when you visit other schools. Most older schools only have 2-3 lectures halls -- AZ will have a much better selection than that. The facilities are much larger than UNLV's, Case's, or Marquette's, among others.

I did not see any state of the art labs or facilities when I visited there just 3 months ago. Because they have not yet been built. The clinics will be huge, however.

Regarding faculty: if you ever find another dean that takes you out to dinner, and lets you stay at his home while your are house-hunting in the area, then please let me know. !
 
Dr. Yarborough, UOP DEAN OF ADMISSIONS, let a guy from out of state stayed at his house until the guy found his apartment.

UCSF dean invite us to his house for dinner, and he prepared food for us. Not only once, but many times.

A faculty at Case, she is a prosthodontist, picked me up at Cleveland airport. Let me stay at her house, drove me around Cleveland, fed me for three days, didn't even let me do dishes. And students at Case, second and fourth year also drove me around from house to house (of their classmates) after my interview. (And they are just random students I met on the hallway)so I could see how the students live there. They are all so nice and kind.

I'm sure the dean of AZ is nice. But he's not the only nice man out there. Many of them out there are like that too. The dean of UOP would agree with me on this.

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The most important thing is hearing of your experience AFTER you have actually spent time at the school. However, I do like the fact that you guys are going to be using hand pieces early. That's one facet of UOP that I really like. That is encouraging! Good Luck
 
UNLV is a really crappy school. I saw the faculty list. I am not impressed, maybe most of them are competent but one doesnt even belong. The school is being run in the converted janitorial building. And yes, I unfortunately, graduated with a BS from there. I heard 2-3 years ago that USC was heading into early clinicals for the 1st year students, and this from a very good source.
 
Who's talking about UNLV?
 
For those interested...

Several ASDOH reps. were in town this past Monday, and about 25 of us (current KCOM students, future KCOM students, future PA students, and future dental students) got together for dinner.

It was an enjoyable evening, and it was nice to meet some of my dental classmates.

We learned that there were 1254 applicants to the AZ dental school this year, and that they have currently accepted 48 out of 50. They had so many applicants that they had to close the application process 2 months earlier than they had anticipated.

The budget for the dental school is a little over $2 million, however, I was correct in my assumption that the other programs in the building foot some of the cost for facilities, etc. Also, Dean Dillenburg has gotten some great deals on equipment, as well as *tons* of free equipment. The KAVOs were purchased at a 75% discount, and multiple digital x-ray machines, etc, were given to the school free of charge. Many companies want to be in on the Human Genome Project, so tons of equipment is being donated to the school without cost. Also, dental supply companies are excited about the curriculum, so they are donating their products and services to the school.

I have more news (boring for many, yet interesting for some) that I'll post later. Gotta run and study for a Physics exam.
 
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