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Hi,
We had this little debate going on another thread that was getting way off topic so I'll just start a new thread for anyone up for a good debate:
The topic was this: I want to know why I hear talk of the "nursing model" being more "holistic". Here are highlights of the commentary so far:
Zenman-
The nursing model does look at health from a holistic standpoint while medicine rarely looks at health at all! Thankfully, medicine is coming around a little.
"Since health is defined by Western medicine as the absence of pathology, those engaged in its practice can find it frustrating not to have a model for working on improved well-being."...Gary Dolowich, M.D.
"Understand diseases." When will we "understand health?"
And where does medicine now stand as one of the leading causes of death...#2 or #3...I can't remember which.
Windsurfr-
1. Immunization programs
2. Hypertension control
3. Hyperlipidemia control
4. Prenatal care
5. Routine mamograms
6. Colon screening
7. Diabetes screening
8. Well child examinations
9. Thyroid screening
10. PSA screening
11. Osteoporosis screening
12. Etc, etc, etc
The above are all to PREVENT pathology or to detect it early. What else do you have in mind, Zenman?
Again, we can only try so hard to prevent disease when the bulk of americans are out to self-promote it.
I have yet to hear a good, factual, non-watered down description of what you mean by "nursing looks at health from a holistic standpoint". How does that help the man who is 100 pounds overweight, drinks too much, smokes, has diabetes, etc, that I see every day in clinic. And if you think we dont talk health modifications such as diet, exercise, vitamins, you're nuts. So... how would the nursing model do better. No spin please
Dr.Giggles-
will ANYONE take up the challenge in the final paragraph of wind's last post? WHAT EXACTLY would the nursing model do in a case such as this? what outcome would you expect? we talk about evidence based medicine... are the techniques dictated by the nursing model in such a case supported by evidence based nursing? please, someone, enlighten me. i'm being serious about this. i mean, i'm an internist right...i see this kind of guy all the time...should i be sending pts like the above to nurses for a consult?
Any thoughts?
We had this little debate going on another thread that was getting way off topic so I'll just start a new thread for anyone up for a good debate:
The topic was this: I want to know why I hear talk of the "nursing model" being more "holistic". Here are highlights of the commentary so far:
Zenman-
The nursing model does look at health from a holistic standpoint while medicine rarely looks at health at all! Thankfully, medicine is coming around a little.
"Since health is defined by Western medicine as the absence of pathology, those engaged in its practice can find it frustrating not to have a model for working on improved well-being."...Gary Dolowich, M.D.
"Understand diseases." When will we "understand health?"
And where does medicine now stand as one of the leading causes of death...#2 or #3...I can't remember which.
Windsurfr-
1. Immunization programs
2. Hypertension control
3. Hyperlipidemia control
4. Prenatal care
5. Routine mamograms
6. Colon screening
7. Diabetes screening
8. Well child examinations
9. Thyroid screening
10. PSA screening
11. Osteoporosis screening
12. Etc, etc, etc
The above are all to PREVENT pathology or to detect it early. What else do you have in mind, Zenman?
Again, we can only try so hard to prevent disease when the bulk of americans are out to self-promote it.
I have yet to hear a good, factual, non-watered down description of what you mean by "nursing looks at health from a holistic standpoint". How does that help the man who is 100 pounds overweight, drinks too much, smokes, has diabetes, etc, that I see every day in clinic. And if you think we dont talk health modifications such as diet, exercise, vitamins, you're nuts. So... how would the nursing model do better. No spin please
Dr.Giggles-
will ANYONE take up the challenge in the final paragraph of wind's last post? WHAT EXACTLY would the nursing model do in a case such as this? what outcome would you expect? we talk about evidence based medicine... are the techniques dictated by the nursing model in such a case supported by evidence based nursing? please, someone, enlighten me. i'm being serious about this. i mean, i'm an internist right...i see this kind of guy all the time...should i be sending pts like the above to nurses for a consult?
Any thoughts?