There HAS to be a name for these

[bustbones26]

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Okay, listen up all psych experts, there are two complexes that I just can't find a name for. See if you have a name or these?

COMPLEX #1:

A man has a position of power, he is the boss, the supervisor, etc. He has a subordinate that is a woman that he admires, he thinks that she is the best and most wondeful person in the world to the point that she cannot do any wrong, in fact, when she does screw up, he finds acceptable excuses for her. He is very Fatherly towards the female subordinate and ensures that her life and career are well taken care of. There probably is unconscious lust and desire toward the woman though, and this is probably what feuled the admiration in teh first place.

Any names for such a complex?

COMPLEX #2:

A man is very intelligent and gifted at his profession. People admire and can't stop praising him. Whenever he receives praise, he always acts very modest, but secretely, he loves the praise. He is not egotistical, nor is he arrogant, but if this makes sense, somehow all of the praise from others feuls and ego?

Any names for such a complex?

I can't find any names for these two, if you experts know, please share.

 

[maranatha]

Why do we need to categorize and name every set of behaviors?

 

[sunlioness]

I think #2 is just being human. Who doesn't like receiving praise?

 

[notdeadyet]

I think #2 is just being human. Who doesn't like receiving praise?

... and #1 is infatuation?

 

[whopper]

Why name them? They are common things that happen. Naming them makes things more efficient if you want to have a serious discussion on them as a phenomenon.

 

[maranatha]

Why name them? They are common things that happen. Naming them makes things more efficient if you want to have a serious discussion on them as a phenomenon.

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[kugel]

#1 is THE classic example of Sublimation as I learned it:
The transformation of unwanted impulses (lust for a subordinate) into something less harmful (mentoring).

According to http://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/engl/theory/psychoanalysis/
SUBLIMATION: The redirection of sexual desire to "higher" aims. Freud saw sublimation as a protection against illness, since it allowed the subject to respond to sexual frustration (lack of gratification of the sexual impulse) by taking a new aim that, though still "genetically" (Introductory Lectures 16.345) related to the sexual impulse, is no longer properly sexual but social. In this way, civilization has been able to estimate "social aims above sexual (ultimately selfish) aims" (Introductory Lectures 16.345). This is not to say that the "free mobility of the libido" (Introductory Lectures 16.346) is ever fully contained: "sublimation is never able to deal with more than a certain fraction of libido"(Introductory Lectures 16.346).

 

[bustbones26]

Why name them? They are common things that happen. Naming them makes things more efficient if you want to have a serious discussion on them as a phenomenon.

no reason for naming them. I just think of it this way. If you and I were having a discussion and I wanted to describe the person in question to you, instead of me going in to a long drawn out explanation of their behavior, it would be nice if I could just they have personality X or complex Y and you'd know immediately what I was talking about without me wasting your time explaining in horrid detail.

 

[bustbones26]

I think #2 is just being human. Who doesn't like receiving praise?

Okay, you are right, we all like to be praised. But let me try to explain it this way. Let us say that somebody walks up to you and says, "Dr. Smith, you are the greatest psychiatrist in the world". And you try to be modest and say, "oh that's so nice of you to say but I am just a little humble psychiatrist". And let us say that everybody in your hospital is just in awe at your presence. Kind of like, "wow, if Dr. Smith said so, then it must be, he is the smartest psychiatrist in the world". Yet you persist, "Hey guys, I am just another plain old psychiatrist, don't praise me so much".

Yet, deep inside you believe that you really are God's gift to psychiatry and if there was ever a case where anybody ever doubted you or questioned your opinion you'd immediately get very angry, visibly angry and say "but I am Dr. Smith, who in the hell do they think they are?"

Get it?? Dr. Smith tries to pawn himself off as being just another plain old humble psychiatrist while people are bowing down to him and falling at his feet, but unconciously, he enjoys the idea of being a God.

I suppose I think of it this way. If I wanted to confront Dr. Smith, I couldn't say, "Dr. Smith, you are arrogant and narcissistic" because really, he isn't? On the surface at least?

 

[Doc Samson]

He's a beneficent narcissist.

 

[igottaquestion]

Okay, you are right, we all like to be praised. But let me try to explain it this way. Let us say that somebody walks up to you and says, "Dr. Smith, you are the greatest psychiatrist in the world". And you try to be modest and say, "oh that's so nice of you to say but I am just a little humble psychiatrist". And let us say that everybody in your hospital is just in awe at your presence. Kind of like, "wow, if Dr. Smith said so, then it must be, he is the smartest psychiatrist in the world". Yet you persist, "Hey guys, I am just another plain old psychiatrist, don't praise me so much".

Yet, deep inside you believe that you really are God's gift to psychiatry and if there was ever a case where anybody ever doubted you or questioned your opinion you'd immediately get very angry, visibly angry and say "but I am Dr. Smith, who in the hell do they think they are?"

Get it?? Dr. Smith tries to pawn himself off as being just another plain old humble psychiatrist while people are bowing down to him and falling at his feet, but unconciously, he enjoys the idea of being a God.

I suppose I think of it this way. If I wanted to confront Dr. Smith, I couldn't say, "Dr. Smith, you are arrogant and narcissistic" because really, he isn't? On the surface at least?

A hypothetical example, of course . . .

 

[whopper]

I think Woody Allen called #1 "mental masturbation."

 

[maranatha]

I think Woody Allen called #1 "mental masturbation."

Really? That's funny, because that's what I call psychoanalysis.

One of the things that I'm uncomfortable with in psychiatry is this insistence on having to categorize every behavior. It ends up inadvertently pathologizing most behavior and can often cause more damage then good. It unintentionally stigmatizes patients and their actions without taking into account the vast array of issues and experience that goes into behavior and personality. IMO, the only reason to use definitions is to help with communication between mental health professionals and help guide treatment. Of course, I believe this is necessary...too a point.

 

[worriedwell]

There are two types of narcissists...covert and overt.

Example two sounds on the spectrum of a covert narcissist.

look for covert narcissism in those who have experienced loss of that same praise or of their ego-stroking identity (that they've worked so hard in a covert way to build) and thus become a depleted narcissistic who becomes depressed. While less obvious and generally less malignant, it is still important to recognize especially in doing psychotherapy with them for their depression.