"...Therefore, we do not interview DO's."

[LovelyRita]

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Dear Ms. DrMaryC,

Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, DO's cannot sit for the surgery
boards and Institution X is not an approved Osteopathic training institute at this time. Therefore, we do not interview DO's. I wish you well in your career choice.

Harry Feltersnatch
Educational Manager
Institution X Surgery Department


This was kind of a kick in the teeth. Especially since this was the fastest turnaround on an email I've ever received. On one hand, he's cutting to the chase, on the other hand, I think his reasoning is bullshyt. Especially since Institution X has plenty of DO residents in all specialties. I emailed him back and called him out, basically. I know it probably won't help my chances at all (granted, I was still polite) but I wasn't going to accept this and just go away.

Someone hold me. 😡

edit: as I highlighted in the bold statement above, this is the part that makes me laugh. wtf is this supposed to mean "...cannot sit for the surgery boards..." oh that's right. all DO's do FP 🙄 😡

 

[lvspro]

Harry Feltersnatch



ROLMFAO

 

[doctorchrisp]

I am applying for medicine and rotated at Mt Sinai in the city. One of the more influential doctors took a liking to me and my performance and without my asking went to talk to the PD on my behalf.

After learning abt this meeting I emailed the PD expressing interest and excitement for a possible interview. He shot me down right away - no DO's "due to problems we have had in the past."

I wrote back thanking him for his honesty...Bull ****. There is still a bias in all fields depending on the institution. Just thought I would share.

Chris

 

[LovelyRita]

depending on the institution.

I thought with medicine you're a shoo-in. Not that it's any comfort, but at least your PD's excuse was truly the reason. I think this schmuck (not even the PD!) is an ignorant ball of fluff who's too afraid to say what your PD said. I hope we go around and around.

and... at another local MD institution, they already invited me for an interview and haven't even downloaded the Dean's letter yet.

 

[Chief Resident]

These are the consequences of getting a D.O. degree instead of an M.D.

 

[Megalofyia]

These are the consequences of getting a D.O. degree instead of an M.D.

Then this must change...

 

[Chief Resident]

Then this must change...

Not likely, the medical establishment is resistent to change. It's more likely that getting an M.D. degree will not compromise your training and career options.

 

[LovelyRita]

Not likely. It's more likely that getting an M.D. degree will not compromise your options in the future.

Perhaps that's my point as well, and really I should have just put this thread into Pre-Osteopathic. Overall it's frustrating, and a joke, and goes to show that you have no clue what programs or PD's are thinking until you talk to them directly.

Thanks for striking the nerve. Now hold me.

 

[NRAI2001]

👎

 

[texdrake]

I am applying for medicine and rotated at Mt Sinai in the city. One of the more influential doctors took a liking to me and my performance and without my asking went to talk to the PD on my behalf.

After learning abt this meeting I emailed the PD expressing interest and excitement for a possible interview. He shot me down right away - no DO's "due to problems we have had in the past."

I wrote back thanking him for his honesty...Bull ****. There is still a bias in all fields depending on the institution. Just thought I would share.

Chris

Hmmm...considering that all residencies are granted by the United States Government (and paid for by....), I would think you should really go talk to a lawyer and stick it to the man on principle...this screams of first class discrimination and the government HATES to be labeled with discrimination.... I smell dollar signs.....damn lawyers...

 

[robotsonic]

Unfortunately, DO's cannot sit for the surgery
boards

This isn't true, though, so how can it be used as an excuse to reject DOs? The American Board of Surgery's eligibility requirements state, "Applicants must have graduated from an accredited school of allopathic or osteopathic medicine..." (You can read the ABS full requirements here.)

 

[Flea girl]

You know what gets me is that some programs say that they will except COMLEX scores on their website, but tell other people interviewing they do not like to interview DOs? Bad of me to assume that if they say specifically on their website they will accept COMLEX for DOs , that equals them being DO friendly.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Im an MD but I have a question.. Can MDs apply for DO spots? Like if I wanted to do an DO ortho or ophtho or other things like that? It is my understanding that we (MDs) are not allowed to apply to these programs. Is this true? In many ways I think this is total BS but at the same time.. I know programs that wont interview me just because of where I go to med school. I think this bias is silly but i think it pervades more than just the MD vs DO.

 

[skypilot]

Hmmm...considering that all residencies are granted by the United States Government (and paid for by....), I would think you should really go talk to a lawyer and stick it to the man on principle...this screams of first class discrimination and the government HATES to be labeled with discrimination.... I smell dollar signs.....damn lawyers...

Yup, this discrimination is illegal and you can sue.

 

[fuegorama]

Im an MD but I have a question.. Can MDs apply for DO spots? Like if I wanted to do an DO ortho or ophtho or other things like that? It is my understanding that we (MDs) are not allowed to apply to these programs. Is this true? In many ways I think this is total BS but at the same time.. I know programs that wont interview me just because of where I go to med school. I think this bias is silly but i think it pervades more than just the MD vs DO.

Nope, and this is just one example of dysfunction in the mystical world of the AOA (our governing body).
I asked this question of the president of this fine organization last year. He looked totally incredulous that any DO student would want MDs in osteo spots. This followed what had been a fairly long discussion on the osteo-world's dependence on ACGME residency positions.
My quote "thank god the MD world doesn't feel this way". 😳

BTW-I just this Spring recognized that my top two hoped-for EM slots will not interview or even rotate DOs. This was a huge punch in the gut that made me wish I had perhaps thrown a wider net during those app. days. 🙁

Congrats on your interviews.

 

[xanthines]

You sure about that? Declining to interview DO's, while reprehensible, is probably not a basis for taking this to court. If they somewhere (website, email, brochure, etc etc etc) claim they interview/accept DO's, you may be able to sue for falso advertisement or something lame like that which would only be an excercise in frustration. I'm not a lawyer, by the way.

From the Cornell Law School Website:

"Employment Discrimination laws seek to prevent discrimination based on race, sex, religion, national origin, physical disability, and age by employers."

-X

Yup, this discrimination is illegal and you can sue.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

Hmmm...considering that all residencies are granted by the United States Government (and paid for by....), I would think you should really go talk to a lawyer and stick it to the man on principle...this screams of first class discrimination and the government HATES to be labeled with discrimination.... I smell dollar signs.....damn lawyers...

So does that mean MDs can sue to get into DO derm residencies too? Denying us that right is pure discrimation! Why not just put all us MDs in reservations while you are at it, since you are denying us this fundamental freedom! 🙄

 

[Idiopathic]

The osteo programs/AOA can always stand behind the "our training is significantly different" (i.e. 2 weeks of OMT during internship 🙄 ) but unless the AMA or a program says MD-only (which would likely cause a lawsuit), they will always have to say outright "we dont take DO's for X reason". As long as they have a valid reason, there is no basis for a suit. DrMary, that statement is probably false, and it might be grounds to at least call someone and bitch about it or threaten them, just to feel better. Of course it wont help.


As is well documented in another thread, interviews for anesthesia are interesting (and surprisingly competitive this year) and I have received interviews from non-hater programs (U Florida, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, etc.), programs with no DOs (Virginia) and have not heard anything from other programs (Emory, etc.) that have no DOs. I guarantee my degree is costing me interviews, as the rest of my app is pretty spot-on. Make of that what you will, but I have never been as skeptical of the "you can go anywhere and do anything as long as you make the grades and ace the boards". It's simply not completely true. With that said, it is still competitive, I have several interviews at programs I would be thrilled to go to and I will end up somewhere good. I simply cannot imagine what getting into Gen Surg takes if you are a DO.


Food for thought. I would never encourage anyone to not go to DO school based on this info, but we do need to branch out into more specialties and integrate further into the general medical community (i.e. through residency, membership, partnerships, etc.) before we can feel entitled to these spots as candidates on an equal footing with allo grads. As it is, many programs are simply unfamilir with, or have had a negative experience with, DOs.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Based on the fact that DOs dont want MDs in their programs perhaps the PDs are "protecting" their field by doing the same to you. I am applying to EM and I have noticed that at least a few of the PDs are DOs. I would guess these programs are more receptive. I would assume that some fields like Allo Derm, ENT and Rads would be completely off limits to DOs because they are already off limits to 90% of people in MD school. Am i right in this thinking? This whole thing is kind of an interesting topic..

BTW as far as suing my wife is a lawyer and there is NO way in hades you could sue, except for the false advertising bit which would be darn hard to prove and even if you could what would be your damages? you wouldnt get any money so no lawyer would help you. They can say that your training is different or because you went to DO school you arent as qualified. While this might not be true it happens all the time. Look at wall street it is made up of Ivy League grads because of nepotism. Surely someone somewhere is smarter than those guys but couldnt get a job cause he went to some state school is the south or midwest.

 

[raptor5]

Im an MD but I have a question.. Can MDs apply for DO spots? Like if I wanted to do an DO ortho or ophtho or other things like that? It is my understanding that we (MDs) are not allowed to apply to these programs. Is this true? In many ways I think this is total BS but at the same time.. I know programs that wont interview me just because of where I go to med school. I think this bias is silly but i think it pervades more than just the MD vs DO.

I am a DO student and I agree that MDs should be able to compete for DO spots. Unfortunately the old school leadership of the AOA still has a chip on their shoulder from like 40 years ago.

 

[raptor5]

Based on the fact that DOs dont want MDs in their programs perhaps the PDs are "protecting" their field by doing the same to you. I am applying to EM and I have noticed that at least a few of the PDs are DOs. I would guess these programs are more receptive. I would assume that some fields like Allo Derm, ENT and Rads would be completely off limits to DOs because they are already off limits to 90% of people in MD school. Am i right in this thinking? This whole thing is kind of an interesting topic..

BTW as far as suing my wife is a lawyer and there is NO way in hades you could sue, except for the false advertising bit which would be darn hard to prove and even if you could what would be your damages? you wouldnt get any money so no lawyer would help you. They can say that your training is different or because you went to DO school you arent as qualified. While this might not be true it happens all the time. Look at wall street it is made up of Ivy League grads because of nepotism. Surely someone somewhere is smarter than those guys but couldnt get a job cause he went to some state school is the south or midwest.

Not that I think anyone should sue, god the backlash could be devestating to DOs. Anyway the fault in your analogy to Wall street is that the funding for those jobs do not come from the federal government. If anything we should lobby the government to look into this issue as they are supposed to provide oversight of the fair use of these funds.

 

[Chief Resident]

I am a DO student and I agree that MDs should be able to compete for DO spots. Unfortunately the old school leadership of the AOA still has a chip on their shoulder from like 40 years ago.

If DOs don't let MDs into their residencies why should we let DOs into ours?

 

[LovelyRita]

Thanks for your guys' attention. I'm not sure why I'm so fired up about this, because I kind of knew that this might happen (the old self-fulfulling prophecy?) But you know, med school and residency and the medical career are a marathon.

When you run a marathon, you prepare knowing you're going to run the 26 miles, and plan your perseverance accordingly. This situation I and many others are in is like the AOA basically saying "go ahead and run your marathon, but you might not reach your goal, or you might. We're not sure."

Here's the guy's response after I questioned further:

"...I don't know what the various departments, such as Family Practice, have for their qualifications. The information I was given came from the Graduate
Medical Education Office here at the hospital and I have to abide by their
policies. Perhaps the USMLE is part of it all, as well as the sitting for
the surgery boards. I honestly don't know. I just wanted to let you know
in advance so that you could arrange for interviews at other programs
accordingly..."

So this is the guy the program has listed on ERAS for contact information. He HONESTLY DOESN'T KNOW!!

I know that I could get back to him and/or the GME office with the facts...maybe I should. Maybe no one else has done it so far.

Fact is, the MD program is ignorant and the DO world has rose-colored sunglasses. I thought the battles were fought and the rules were in place. I guess it's still 1950.

 

[LovelyRita]

If DOs don't let MDs into their residencies why should we let DOs into ours?

Because MD's aren't trained in OMT.

 

[Megalofyia]

When you run a marathon, you prepare knowing you're going to run the 26 miles, and plan your perseverance accordingly. This situation I and many others are in is like the AOA basically saying "go ahead and run your marathon, but you might not reach your goal, or you might. We're not sure."

Mary I am really sorry that you have been given such the bum's rush from this guy 🙁

If you want I will mail him poo and/or sit on him.

Speaking of poo and marathons... I just learned today that it is not unheard of for marathon runners to poo on themselves during a marathon. This is completely new news to me. I had known about the idea of peeing on yourself, which doesn't seem all that great either, but pooing seems rather messy and diaper rash forming.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Because MD's aren't trained in OMT.

Not that I am trying to bash but how often is that Dermatologist or ENT or Surgeon breaking out the OMT? (I dont know the answer to this Q but my gut tells me they dont) Theoretically couldnt we just have MD schools train us in it if it gave us an advantage to get into these competetive fields?

 

[Idiopathic]

If DOs don't let MDs into their residencies why should we let DOs into ours?

Because allo programs need their FP slots filled. Its a trade off, for sure.

 

[LovelyRita]

Not that I am trying to bash but how often is that Dermatologist or ENT or Surgeon breaking out the OMT? (I dont know the answer to this Q but my gut tells me they dont) Theoretically couldnt we just have MD schools train us in it if it gave us an advantage to get into these competetive fields?

Yes, I know. I'm not saying they do. I'm just guessing that that's what the DO world says.

And you know, there's good DO programs and bad DO programs, just like there are good MD programs and bad. My bytch is that there seems to be this undertone in the DO world that we can do anything we want, but it's just not true 100% of the time.

I just wanted to interview/apply at this place because it would give me the opportunity to stay in the area, closer to my family. And the fact that I have to pursue surgery without a cut and dried path annoys me.

Trust me, if there's one person who sees the flip side to every coin, it's me. MD's have every right to question why they can't train at DO institutions.

 

[robotsonic]

This might start a flame war, but I'm going to say it anyway...

If DOs truly want to be treated like MDs, then they should have gone for an allopathic school. Osteopathic schools are *supposed* to be different; they are supposed to have a different focus, right? But it seems like the DOs graduating now want allopathic and osteopathic degrees to mean the same thing, which they were not meant to do. They are two different degrees.

I think one of the main problems here is that some people (perhaps many) go the DO route because they were not able to go the MD route, not because they actually agree with the DO philosophy, which has a primary care focus.

Just a thought.

 

[LovelyRita]

This might start a flame war, but I'm going to say it anyway...

If DOs truly want to be treated like MDs, then they should have gone for an allopathic school. Osteopathic schools are *supposed* to be different; they are supposed to have a different focus, right? But it seems like the DOs graduating now want allopathic and osteopathic degrees to mean the same thing, which they were not meant to do. They are two different degrees.

I think one of the main problems here is that some people (perhaps many) go the DO route because they were not able to go the MD route, not because they actually agree with the DO philosophy, which has a primary care focus.

Just a thought.

That's water under the bridge.

Go into any hospital you see DO's and MD's working next to each other, taking care of patients. They just want to get the work done.

But the path to get to this point is convoluted. I don't disagree with you, but I think most, including my self, went to med school to become a physician, not to get wrapped up in bullshyt philosophies.

And the point of this thread is to call out a stuffy little turd in his little office who is supposed to know the facts, and he doesn't. Allopathic meccas aren't all they are cracked up to be.

 

[EctopicFetus]

No hospital is a mecca, whether that is harvard, hopkins etc or bubba's community hospital. These teaching institutions are there to help people sadly the medical field is in such a f'ed up state that the people we have to deal with are completely ******ed and often dont know what is going on at their own desk let alone in their department. Part of the problem is many places are run by a monarch (the PD) who just does what he/she wants without asking anyone for any input. During last yrs match I was doing Ob and you know what hit the fan.. One of the people that EVERY (I do mean EVERY) person wanted in the OB residency didnt make it.. She had better board scores than others they took, she was the most liked by the attendings and the residents (who had a lot of input esp the sr residents (who told me the details of this)). In the end this girl decided to rank only 1 place and since the PD decided for some weird reason he didnt want her she didnt match. Sure it was dumb to rank one place but at the same time he made a unilateral decision no one liked and no one knew about either..

Dr Mary.. you are right these people are clueless.. but this is the game we have to play in the medical field.

 

[Chief Resident]

If DOs truly want to be treated like MDs, then they should have gone for an allopathic school.

True that. You can't expect to be treated like an MD who graduated from a US school when it comes to getting a residency/fellowship when you're trying to get into the profession through the back door.

 

[LovelyRita]

No hospital is a mecca, whether that is harvard, hopkins etc or bubba's community hospital. These teaching institutions are there to help people sadly the medical field is in such a f'ed up state that the people we have to deal with are completely ******ed and often dont know what is going on at their own desk let alone in their department. Part of the problem is many places are run by a monarch (the PD) who just does what he/she wants without asking anyone for any input. During last yrs match I was doing Ob and you know what hit the fan.. One of the people that EVERY (I do mean EVERY) person wanted in the OB residency didnt make it.. She had better board scores than others they took, she was the most liked by the attendings and the residents (who had a lot of input esp the sr residents (who told me the details of this)). In the end this girl decided to rank only 1 place and since the PD decided for some weird reason he didnt want her she didnt match. Sure it was dumb to rank one place but at the same time he made a unilateral decision no one liked and no one knew about either..

Dr Mary.. you are right these people are clueless.. but this is the game we have to play in the medical field.

Yes, the above situation happens at DO hospitals too. Overall applying for residency is kind of a crazy time, huh? I can't wait to be through with this! 🙂

 

[LovelyRita]

True that. You can't expect to be treated like an MD who graduated from a US school when it comes to getting a residency/fellowship when you're trying to get into the profession through the back door.

I'm calling you out again, Dire Straits/troll.

 

[Chief Resident]

I'm calling you out again, Dire Straits/troll.

Whatever, the "troll" defense only goes to show you want to divert attention away from the discussion. Maybe my choice of wording wasn't the most politically correct, but you should not expect to be treated like an M.D. when you are not an M.D. We don't treat foreign MDs equal to MDs from the states when it comes to residency so it's understandable that DOs are treated likewise because they are not U.S. educated MDs. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

 

[Idiopathic]

True that. You can't expect to be treated like an MD who graduated from a US school when it comes to getting a residency/fellowship when you're trying to get into the profession through the back door.

So, between all the fluff, Chief Resident really has some insight.

"When I finish residency I want a job as a doctor where I will work 40 hours a week (9-5 schedule), not work on the weekends, have no call, and not be responsible for teaching residents/med students or having anything to do with research. Is FP best suited for this?"

Thanks for keeping the allo profession pure for the rest of us. Also, I guess at that allo school of yours they teach you that CABG's are done by cardiologists? Sweet. Score one for cardio 🙄

Ill put my resume/credentials (as well as those of several colleagues) up against yours any day, so dont bring that weak-ass **** in here.

 

[LovelyRita]

Whatever, the "troll" defense only goes to show you want to divert attention away from the discussion. Maybe my choice of wording wasn't the most politically correct, but you should not expect to be treated like an M.D. when you are not an M.D. We don't treat foreign MDs equal to MDs from the states when it comes to residency so it's understandable that DOs are treated likewise because they are not U.S. educated MDs.

You're an ignorant dufus who can't stay on topic with the thread.

 

[Chief Resident]

So, between all the fluff, Chief Resident really has some insight.

"When I finish residency I want a job as a doctor where I will work 40 hours a week (9-5 schedule), not work on the weekends, have no call, and not be responsible for teaching residents/med students or having anything to do with research. Is FP best suited for this?"

Thanks for keeping the allo profession pure for the rest of us.

So I don't want to be a slave to my job like I see so many doctors are, so what?

Also, I guess at that allo school of yours they teach you that CABG's are done by cardiologists? Sweet. Score one for cardio 🙄

CABGs are done by CT surgeons, angio is done by cardiologists and massages are given by DOs.

Ill put my resume/credentials (as well as those of several colleagues) up against yours any day, so dont bring that weak-ass **** in here.[

If you have a DO degree then the rest of your "resume/credentials" are moot against an MD degree.

 

[Chief Resident]

You're an ignorant dufus who can't stay on topic with the thread.

Actually you were the one who pulled the "troll" card to divert attention from the discussion.

 

[LovelyRita]

Actually you were the one who pulled the "troll" card to divert attention from the discussion.

And you were the one who made it MD vs DO instead of the original discussion about Graduate Medical Education, which is the basis of this forum.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

Because MD's aren't trained in OMT.

And DOs aren't trained in EBM or as well in molecular basis of disease, so what? We all spend 4 full years in medical school, it's not as if we sit around and do nothing while you learn OMT. While you learn OMT, we learn the aforementioned things, so why should we let you into our residency programs when 1) you guys are completely arrogant about shutting MDs out of DO residency programs and 2) you guys lack the same education we do, considering OMT is replacing the EBM, molecular basis of disease, and overall bench-to-bedside research bent of MD training. Thus for the same reason MDs cant go into DO programs because we dont know OMT, you shouldn't be able to go into our programs because you did not learn the things we did.

The complete arrogance of DOs saying "we do everything an MD does and more (OMT)" is astonishing. And then you expect us to sit around and welcome you into the MD fold when you have the hubris to tell us "we should be treated as equals in MD programs, but you aren't allowed to enter DO programs because you don't know OMT." You guys went to DO school, you know the philosophy and you espouse it as what makes you different by ribbing MDs about "treating the whole patient not the disease". And then you want to come to MD residencies even though it is the very uniqueness of the so-called osteopathic philosophy that prevents MDs from applying to DO residencies.

Give me a break, the only DO specialties MDs would want are derm, plastics, ortho, ent, and ophtho, NONE of which involve OMT. You guys just want the best of both worlds while shutting us out of yours, and that is BS. It's either we are equal or not. You can't have it both ways. You guys should really listen to yourself, because it is quite disturbing what you guys expect (which is to get everything and give nothing in return). And MDs are supposedly the arrogant breed? Please... 🙄

 

[Chief Resident]

And DOs aren't trained in EBM or as well in molecular basis of disease, so what? We all spend 4 full years in medical school, it's not as if we sit around and do nothing while you learn OMT. While you learn OMT, we learn the aforementioned things, so why should we let you into our residency programs when 1) you guys are completely arrogant about shutting MDs out of DO residency programs and 2) you guys lack the same education we do, considering OMT is replacing the EBM, molecular basis of disease, and overall bench-to-bedside research bent of MD training. Thus for the same reason MDs cant go into DO programs because we dont know OMT, you shouldn't be able to go into our programs because you did not learn the things we did.

The complete arrogance of DOs saying "we do everything an MD does and more (OMT)" is astonishing. And then you expect us to sit around and welcome you into the MD fold when you have the hubris to tell us "we should be treated as equals in MD programs, but you aren't allowed to enter DO programs because you don't know OMT." You guys went to DO school, you know the philosophy and you espouse it as what makes you different by ribbing MDs about "treating the whole patient not the disease". And then you want to come to MD residencies even though it is the very uniqueness of the so-called osteopathic philosophy that prevents MDs from applying to DO residencies.

Give me a break, the only DO specialties MDs would want are derm, plastics, ortho, ent, and ophtho, NONE of which involve OMT. You guys just want the best of both worlds while shutting us out of yours, and that is BS. You guys should really listen to yourself, because it is quite disturbing what you guys expect (which is to get everything and give nothing).

👍 👍

 

[Idiopathic]

CABGs are done by CT surgeons, angio is done by cardiologists and massages are given by DOs..

From Chief Resident, posted today

"You have to ask yourself if there are enough cases in valve repair, arrhythmia surgery, aortic surgery, transplant and so on to go around for everybody as more and more CABGs are taken over by cardiologists. There are only so many positions for CT surgeons in academic centers."

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood you. Of course, when you are making your 100K as an 8-5 FP doc (with Fridays off!) and serving my kids fries at the ski lodge to "moonlight", at least you'll be able to hang your hat on that MD.

(Please note, this flame is specific to Chief Resident. No future FP or fry seller should take any offense at the above post....just the troll)

😀

 

[LovelyRita]

The reason I started this thread is because I'm having a "general residency issue".

I've run into a frustrating problem that I hoped that I wouldn't.

I'm trying to demonstrate my frustration with an anonymous forum in the passive-aggressive atmosphere it's meant to be.

Do you really want to do a DO residency/fellowship? Or just any competetive program that will take you? Well, that's my standpoint. I don't give a crap if it's DO or MD. I want to stay in this area. Just thought I'd give it a shot.

 

[Idiopathic]

And DOs aren't trained in EBM or as well in molecular basis of disease, so what?

Boy I really have to get my school's curriculum committee to get rid of our biostatistics, biochem, micro, pathology, and EBM courses. Thanks for letting me know that we dont get trained in this!

Awesome.

 

[Chief Resident]

From Chief Resident, posted today

"You have to ask yourself if there are enough cases in valve repair, arrhythmia surgery, aortic surgery, transplant and so on to go around for everybody as more and more CABGs are taken over by cardiologists. There are only so many positions for CT surgeons in academic centers."

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood you.

You don't have to be sorry for misunderstanding me, it was probably an honest mistake on your part. My statement meant that not as many CABGs are being done by CT surgeons because cardiologists are doing more angios thereby reducing the need for CABGs.

Of course, when you are making your 100K as an 8-5 FP doc (with Fridays off!) and serving my kids fries at the ski lodge to "moonlight", at least you'll be able to hang your hat on that MD.

LOL, didn't you think we'd all know what movie you copied that bit about "serving my kids fries at the ski lodge", sucker.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Well Dr Mary,

I think you and I got to vent about this GME bs in BOTH DO and MD programs.. I will now be checking out of this as I am way too busy to get into ANOTHER MD vs DO discussion. Good luck to all the MDs and DOs..

Peace
Ectopic

 

[LovelyRita]

Well Dr Mary,

I think you and I got to vent about this GME bs in BOTH DO and MD programs.. I will now be checking out of this as I am way too busy to get into ANOTHER MD vs DO discussion. Good luck to all the MDs and DOs..

Peace
Ectopic

Yep, I'm out too. Chief Resident has turned this into a flame war. to you!

 

[Idiopathic]

LOL, didn't you think we'd all know what movie you copied that bit about "serving my kids fries at the ski lodge", sucker.

Of course I did. It isnt funny if no one gets it.

Ive enjoyed this. I was in the mood for a good DO/MD debate. Thanks for being such a good target.

 

[Chief Resident]

Of course I did. It isnt funny if no one gets it.

Ive enjoyed this. I was in the mood for a good DO/MD debate. Thanks for being such a good target.

Giving up already? I was just beginning to take you and your "resume" apart. Come back when your feelings aren't hurt. 🙂