This is may sound dumb, but it's a legit question, can a director of admissions grant full acceptanc

[undergrad13]

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What I mean is if one has taken MCAT and done his/her courses can a director of admissions give that a person a seat and override the whole process. Obviously this will never happen unless that kid is the son of a generous donor, but I was arguing with my friend that the Dean of admission isn' just some pencil pusher and actually has more power than assumed

 

[mk04447]

This is a stupid post, but the dean can do anything they want. I now feel dumber for answering
this, thanks.

 

[Isoval]

Depends on the school. Some schools, the dean has total authority. Others, the dean is explicitly prohibited from overriding the committee.

Even in the rare cases where this does occur, it isn’t uncommon for the dean to face repercussions. I believe it happened at UF fairly recently.

 

[LizzyM]

Accreditation standards that apply to all medical schools require that admission decisions be made by a committee comprised of medical school faculty members. The decision to pull someone from the waitlislt may be in the hands of the dean of admissions on the principle that the admissions committee has approved the admission pending an available seat.

The UF scandal, almost 10 years ago, IIRC, involved the Dean of the medical school, not just the Dean of Admissions, who was pressured from the University President who was pressured by the Governor who was trying to please a political bigwig whose kid was trying to get admitted outside of the usual process. Members of the adcom who had been bypassed blew the whistle, chaos ensued, the Dean resigned and eventually left the state, and the kid matriculated, and later graduated, medical school. (As an aside, things did not go well for the kid's father who underwent further scrutiny and ended up in prison for white collar crimes related to the handling of campagin donations.)

 

[undergrad13]

Accreditation standards that apply to all medical schools require that admission decisions be made by a committee comprised of medical school faculty members. The decision to pull someone from the waitlislt may be in the hands of the dean of admissions on the principle that the admissions committee has approved the admission pending an available seat.

The UF scandal, almost 10 years ago, IIRC, involved the Dean of the medical school, not just the Dean of Admissions, who was pressured from the University President who was pressured by the Governor who was trying to please a political bigwig whose kid was trying to get admitted outside of the usual process. Members of the adcom who had been bypassed blew the whistle, chaos ensued, the Dean resigned and eventually left the state, and the kid matriculated, and later graduated, medical school. (As an aside, things did not go well for the kid's father who underwent further scrutiny and ended up in prison for white collar crimes related to the handling of campagin donations.)

See that is what I was thinking, but what if a student already applied through AMCAS, and the Dean really like his application but the rest of the committee did not see it that way cam he override their votes and say??

 

[gyngyn]

See that is what I was thinking, but what if a student already applied through AMCAS, and the Dean really like his application but the rest of the committee did not see it that way cam he override their votes and say??

No. That would result in a serious threat to accreditation.
More than one Admissions dean has been fired for doing this.

 

[Goro]

No. That would result in a serious threat to accreditation.
More than one Admissions dean has been fired for doing this.

I love dish! Can you share details???

 

[gyngyn]

I love dish! Can you share details???

It would embarrass some very fine schools.

 

[Goro]

It would embarrass some very fine schools.

That's the point!

 

[LoveBeingHuman:)]

Accreditation standards that apply to all medical schools require that admission decisions be made by a committee comprised of medical school faculty members. The decision to pull someone from the waitlislt may be in the hands of the dean of admissions on the principle that the admissions committee has approved the admission pending an available seat.

The UF scandal, almost 10 years ago, IIRC, involved the Dean of the medical school, not just the Dean of Admissions, who was pressured from the University President who was pressured by the Governor who was trying to please a political bigwig whose kid was trying to get admitted outside of the usual process. Members of the adcom who had been bypassed blew the whistle, chaos ensued, the Dean resigned and eventually left the state, and the kid matriculated, and later graduated, medical school. (As an aside, things did not go well for the kid's father who underwent further scrutiny and ended up in prison for white collar crimes related to the handling of campagin donations.)

What was his MCAT/GPA?

 

[Spectar]

What was his MCAT/GPA?

Med student lacked MCAT, committee members say

 

[IgEdoc]

Now wondering what if...
When I was accepted to med school, I was at the time a grad student at a different med school which I did not apply. Interestingly, the chairman was an MD and asked to see me. That meeting was the first time I had seen him despite being there months into the program. All the faculty in that department were PhDs.

First thing he did on meeting him in his office was to congratulate me for my med school acceptance and welcomed me to the “club”. He then asked if I would like to attend med school there and continue in the department for the PhD too. Never found out if he could have convinced the dean/admissions to grant me an acceptance without any formal application as I politely declined his offer.

 

[libertyyne]

Now wondering what if...
When I was accepted to med school, I was at the time a grad student at a different med school which I did not apply. Interestingl, the chairman was an MD and asked to see me. That meeting was the first time I had seen him despite being there months into the program. All the faculty in that department were PhDs.

First thing he did on meeting him in his office was to congratulate me for my med school acceptance and welcomed me to the “club”.. He then asked if I would like to attend med school there and continue in the department for the PhD too. Never found out if he could have convinced the dean/admissions to grant me an acceptance without any formal application as I politely declined his offer.

The welcome to the club speech is real. I have encountered it many different times from physicians who are not even involved in academic medicine.

 

[gyngyn]

The welcome to the club speech is real. I have encountered it many different times from physicians who are not even involved in academic medicine.

I've never heard this one! How does it go?

 

[libertyyne]

I've never heard this one! How does it go?

It goes along the line of :Congrats on making it. That was the thoughest part. Here is my phone/card if you need anything.

My SO has also been offered employment once she came up during conversation.


Maybe it is all in my head , but in normal first interactions with strangers even when they are being kind are usually not this profuse or straightforward in welcoming you to something.

 

[gyngyn]

It goes along the line of :Congrats on making it. That was the thoughest part. Here is my phone/card if you need anything.

My SO has also been offered employment once she came up during conversation.

Interesting.

 

[libertyyne]

Interesting.

Based on your reaction I am wondering if it is all in my head. I am generally a likeable person , but complete strangers offering unrequested help or contact was new . I created a thread in allo to see if any other people had similar experiences. I felt like I was inducted into a mafia.

 

[gyngyn]

Based on your reaction I am wondering if it is all in my head. I am generally a likeable person , but complete strangers offering unrequested help or contact was new . I created a thread in allo to see if any other people had similar experiences. I felt like I was inducted into a mafia.

I can't say I can recall anything similar to what you describe.

 

[libertyyne]

I can't say I can recall anything similar to what you describe.

Welcome to the Club (Speech)

There are some others who have experienced something similar. I guess we may just be percieving "professional courtesy"

 

[LizzyM]

Now wondering what if...
When I was accepted to med school, I was at the time a grad student at a different med school which I did not apply. Interestingly, the chairman was an MD and asked to see me. That meeting was the first time I had seen him despite being there months into the program. All the faculty in that department were PhDs.

First thing he did on meeting him in his office was to congratulate me for my med school acceptance and welcomed me to the “club”. He then asked if I would like to attend med school there and continue in the department for the PhD too. Never found out if he could have convinced the dean/admissions to grant me an acceptance without any formal application as I politely declined his offer.

I think that if you had said, "yes", some questions would have been directed to that school's MSTP program about the likelihood of fitting you in that year or the year after. Then your AMCAS application would have had to be submitted to that school and go through the usual channels until you got the necessary offer letter. It may have been that the chairman didn't want to lose you and there was a dearth of MSTP candidates accepting offers that year such that it was known that there was room for you and you'd already been vetted by another medical school and found to have the necessary personal attributes for the MD degree in addition to the PhD so getting you in there would not have been a heavy lift.