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07pharmd

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I was just wondering if attendance is mandatory, or if there are any school enforced penalties for missing class. Also, I have heard that buying books is not mandatory because most of the info is given to students via notes. Can anyone please give any insight on these topics.
 
07pharmd said:
I was just wondering if attendance is mandatory, or if there are any school enforced penalties for missing class. Also, I have heard that buying books is not mandatory because most of the info is given to students via notes. Can anyone please give any insight on these topics.

The first day after a break is mandatory and some of your specific classes take attendance, but that is it. I personally get much out of going to class, but others choose to either sleep in or take that time to study for an upcoming test. Buying books is not necessary, although, I might need to buy in the future, as I am a P1. I am in my 3rd quarter and I have only borrowed the books in the library for reference on something that I wanted clarified. Most of the time, though, I just ask the professor - they are very helpful and open to questions.
 
07pharmd said:
I was just wondering if attendance is mandatory, or if there are any school enforced penalties for missing class. Also, I have heard that buying books is not mandatory because most of the info is given to students via notes. Can anyone please give any insight on these topics.


I echo what Gablet said about books, especially first year. You can use the library copies for clarification. You will probably want to buy a DIH just so you don't have to fight over library copies and it is nice to have. You will probably want to buy a dipiro and katzung for 2nd year. I use katzung here and there for more detail. I thought I would do the same for dipiro, but havn't even used mine yet. I know other students that use their dipiro a lot, I just don't have the time to read much.

Class is mandatory the first day of the new qtr and the first day after a holiday. Only the classes that don't matter much (basically every class outside of integrated sequence once you get to qtr 4 on out) will be the ones that take roll. Some of the teachers of these same classes will take roll periodically through the qtr when they see that only a third to half of the class is showing up. Also, teachers of some classes, such as our storied service learning class, would give you points for showing up that were a decent part of the overall points. This happened because otherwise, 90% of our class wouldn't have shown up. You souldn't get docked for not being there, but they have been known to call it a quiz, bonus pts, etc. There are some classes that are mandatory, such as the workshops, and labs, but they will be announced up front in the syllabus. I don't know for sure, as I didn't have the current "Intro to Professional Practice" class, but I am betting that is mandatory attendance.

I feel that attendance requirements and points are absolutely pathetic. After paying 30 grand a year for school, I feel like I should be able to stay home from class if I feel like it. But there are many odd things at our school, like the "strongly advised not to work during school" mantra. I still havn't figured that one out.
 
Thanks for your guys help.. I really appreciate it. jeddevil, when you say that the school strongly advises against working, does that mean that it is very hard to be able to go to school and work at the same time. I was planning on working pt 10-15 hours a week while i attended. Would you advise against that. Do you know if there are many students that go against the advice and actually work?



Jeddevil said:
I echo what Gablet said about books, especially first year. You can use the library copies for clarification. You will probably want to buy a DIH just so you don't have to fight over library copies and it is nice to have. You will probably want to buy a dipiro and katzung for 2nd year. I use katzung here and there for more detail. I thought I would do the same for dipiro, but havn't even used mine yet. I know other students that use their dipiro a lot, I just don't have the time to read much.

Class is mandatory the first day of the new qtr and the first day after a holiday. Only the classes that don't matter much (basically every class outside of integrated sequence once you get to qtr 4 on out) will be the ones that take roll. Some of the teachers of these same classes will take roll periodically through the qtr when they see that only a third to half of the class is showing up. Also, teachers of some classes, such as our storied service learning class, would give you points for showing up that were a decent part of the overall points. This happened because otherwise, 90% of our class wouldn't have shown up. You souldn't get docked for not being there, but they have been known to call it a quiz, bonus pts, etc. There are some classes that are mandatory, such as the workshops, and labs, but they will be announced up front in the syllabus. I don't know for sure, as I didn't have the current "Intro to Professional Practice" class, but I am betting that is mandatory attendance.

I feel that attendance requirements and points are absolutely pathetic. After paying 30 grand a year for school, I feel like I should be able to stay home from class if I feel like it. But there are many odd things at our school, like the "strongly advised not to work during school" mantra. I still havn't figured that one out.
 
07pharmd said:
Thanks for your guys help.. I really appreciate it. jeddevil, when you say that the school strongly advises against working, does that mean that it is very hard to be able to go to school and work at the same time. I was planning on working pt 10-15 hours a week while i attended. Would you advise against that. Do you know if there are many students that go against the advice and actually work?

Here is the college's actual quote on what I am discussing. I copied this off of the main website at: http://www.midwestern.edu/cpg/ From there click on Curriculum and student employment.

"College's Policy on Student Employment
Upon acceptance to the professional program of MWU–CPG, students are expected to devote their entire efforts to the academic curriculum. The College actively discourages employment that conflicts with the student’s ability to perform while courses/rotations are in session, and will not take outside employment or activities into consideration when scheduling classes, examinations, reviews, field trips, or individual course/rotation/College functions. Required activities as well as team project meetings can be scheduled outside of class time, including weekends, and students are expected to attend these activities/meetings."

I would bet that at least 50% of the class works. I know some that work fulltime, some just a little. I only work 10 hours a week. You should be fine working 10-15 hours a week. Just don't bring it up to them, as the administration frowns on it. They expect us to eat, drink, and sleep school. Realistically, that doesn't happen.

I guess it is easier to convince students that retail is evil and hospital and teaching are the only decent pharmacy jobs out there when none of your students work during this indoctrination process. Just a guess.

The school really is allright once you tune out all the politics. Good luck.
 
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