Tier 1,2,3, etc

[Encrypted]

Is there a list somewhere that tells us which med schools are tier 1, 2, 3, etc. I can't seem to find it.

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[p9142]

Is there a list somewhere that tells us which med schools are tier 1, 2, 3, etc. I can't seem to find it.

I don't think there is a list, but you might be able to break the USNEWS rankings into thirds to find tiers

 

[alwaysaangel]

Is there a list somewhere that tells us which med schools are tier 1, 2, 3, etc. I can't seem to find it.

There isn't one.

If you go to USNews under graduate school rankings you can see the top 25 (I think) medical schools). Whether those correspond to tier 1 or not is debatable. You can pay to see all of the rankings, but I personally don't think its worth it.

(and watch out - your thread may well turn into a flame war)

 

[Law2Doc]

Is there a list somewhere that tells us which med schools are tier 1, 2, 3, etc. I can't seem to find it.

No such thing. The US news research ranking is usually pointed to in terms of "prestige" rankings, but isn't divided into tiers. Folks on SDN have their own ideas as to what is top and bottom tier certainly, but you will not find such published list anywhere.

 

[Encrypted]

Hmm ok.

Anyone have any idea where UConn is on tiers?

 

[bretticus]

There isn't one.

If you go to USNews under graduate school rankings you can see the top 25 (I think) medical schools). Whether those correspond to tier 1 or not is debatable. You can pay to see all of the rankings, but I personally don't think its worth it.

(and watch out - your thread may well turn into a flame war)

Top 50 (actually 53 currently).

 

[szhao]

i don't care, just give me one.

 

[p9142]

Hmm ok.

Anyone have any idea where UConn is on tiers?

Tier 2.5

 

[Law2Doc]

Hmm ok.

Anyone have any idea where UConn is on tiers?

Again, there are no formal tiers. Probably best to lose that terminology. UConn is someplace in the middle of the pack in terms of allo school rankings, but not top 50, as you cannot see it for free on the US News site, I don't think. See http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php.

 

[Encrypted]

Hmm, i just found out uconn is top 70 research based and top 40 primary care based.

 

[HumbleMD]

Best are terms like top 10, top 20, top 50, etc. But even those are loosely based on USNews and not strictly. I think a big indicator is the "have I even heard of this school" factor.

 

[Law2Doc]

I think a big indicator is the "have I even heard of this school" factor.

Except that that more often tells you they have a good basketball team, not a good med school.

 

[MadHopsMD]

Is there a list somewhere that tells us which med schools are tier 1, 2, 3, etc. I can't seem to find it.

I think ppl get confused with law school rankings...where which tier you go to matters ALOT. Mainly because the quality of education there is a big drop off. But med schools are different bred. The quality is consistently good throughout every school.

Yes, reputation wise it does make a difference if you went to UPenn versus a state school. But that difference is not as big as people think it is...

 

[HumbleMD]

Except that that more often tells you they have a good basketball team, not a good med school.

Johns Hopkins is indeed known for their sports programs 🙄 .

 

[Law2Doc]

Johns Hopkins is indeed known for their sports programs 🙄 .

lacrosse is pretty reknowned there. But I meant that more academic institution name recognition comes from ESPN than from their med schools.

 

[HumbleMD]

lacrosse is pretty reknowned there.

Okay fine, Mayo. Mayo doesn't exactly have a lot going on in the sports department. And who watches Lacrosse anyways? I don't think it'd get the school well known as much as its excellent reputation for medicine.

 

[Eric Lindros]

Does anyone know the title of the US News Magazine that publishes these lists? Is it "Americas Best Graduate School?" Or is there a seperate one for medical school? I would like to check out what the rankings are beyond top 50.

What school do they rank dead last? Anyone know?

 

[coffeebythelake]

I think ppl get confused with law school rankings...where which tier you go to matters ALOT. Mainly because the quality of education there is a big drop off. But med schools are different bred. The quality is consistently good throughout every school. Yes, reputation wise it does make a difference if you went to UPenn versus a state school. But that difference is not as big as people think it is...

I think what is more important than medical school rankings is whether you will be happy there for 4 years, and what unique aspects of the curriculum you like. This is probably a very personal decision.

 

[HumbleMD]

Does anyone know the title of the US News Magazine that publishes these lists? Is it "Americas Best Graduate School?" Or is there a seperate one for medical school? I would like to check out what the rankings are beyond top 50.

What school do they rank dead last? Anyone know?

Yeah, it's the Graduate school title you listed. It's surprisingly skinny (compared to the Undergrad one). Library should have it...

 

[Eric Lindros]

Yeah, it's the Graduate school title you listed. It's surprisingly skinny (compared to the Undergrad one). Library should have it...

My local library turned into a McDonald's 10 years ago. Sad, I know.

Maybe I can find it at a bookstore. I want to know what poor medical school got dubbed worst in the land by usnwr

 

[p9142]

Except that that more often tells you they have a good basketball team, not a good med school.

That is an excellent point 👍

 

[pretenda]

nice avatar p9142

 

[BNSN]

Look at NIH funding. That's a reasonable way of telling how a school ranks up in prestige. But, when it comes to educational quality, NIH funding is entirely irrelevant. UConn medical education is pretty much equivalent to Harvard medical education.

NIH ranks UConn 63rd in research.

http://grants.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl05.htm

 

[notdeadyet]

Okay fine, Mayo. Mayo doesn't exactly have a lot going on in the sports department. And who watches Lacrosse anyways?

When people hear the name "Mayo", they aren't reflecting on the reputation of a great med school, they're reflecting on the reputation of a great hospital.

I'm with Law2Doc on this. Your average patient is going to be much more impressed with the name of a med school that has a great sports team than with Washington University.

 

[12loser12]

your average patient is also an idiot and not the one hiring you for your job or residency

 

[Funky]

you could have it both. Great sports team + Great medical school aka duke or michigan

 

[durfen]

I actually found SDN's ranking system more useful than USNews. At least, it's good for figuring out 'bad' versus 'good' schools, if not necessarily that Stanford is better than Harvard ( :😀 )

 

[8744]

you could have it both. Great sports team + Great medical school aka duke or michigan

See? I'd shoot myself in the head before I'd spend another day at Duke. It is all so subjective (he says, belaboring the obvious). I know it's a good medical school and a good hospital but some things are just insufferable. I like my new hospital a hell of a lot better and probably not even in a tier.

So, you all fight among yourselves to claw your way into a "top tier" school, and then live to regret it.

 

[braluk]

There are definitely defined tiers for colleges (at least according to our "bible" of information aka US News), im not sure if they exist for medical school. I skimmed through a new US News guide to colleges while at the airport and they had selected their tiers to be based on where they stood in the rankings, that is 1-50 as top tier, third tier being 100-150 and the rest "unranked", or something to that effect. From what I've read in US News, I dont remember there being such "labels". As L2D suggests, its best to discard these labels. It might be a better assessment to look at match lists instead as a means of seeing how successful a school is in sending grads off to good residency programs

 

[drmaybe]

I think ppl get confused with law school rankings...where which tier you go to matters ALOT. Mainly because the quality of education there is a big drop off. But med schools are different bred. The quality is consistently good throughout every school.

Yes, reputation wise it does make a difference if you went to UPenn versus a state school. But that difference is not as big as people think it is...

As a recent prelaw (took the lsat, began filing applications, etc.) this is entirely true. But after speaking with people, I found that medicine was entirely different. Obviously, there are schools with better reputations that will open more doors for you, but it is unlike law school. In law, firms and judges actually have fairly standard cutoffs like top 25% from a top 10 school, or top 5% from a local tier two school, on which they base their hiring requirements. I know a lot of great doctors through my mother and was honestly surprised at how many people at a rather prestigious hospital had come from foreign medical schools and no-name US schools. You just won't find that in law.

 

[braluk]

Agree. There is a great need for doctors, so placing such restrictive caps (top schools) is unnecessary, unrealistic, and counterproductive. You'll never find a residency director placing a cap on who is accepted, in terms of top 10 school, or such rankings. Alot more is based upon Board scores, clinical recs, grades, etc. Medical biochem, physio, immunology is pretty much the same wherever you take it. Seeing that most M1s and M2s will take the same classes, with the same material, not much is different from school to school except when it comes to rotations, recs, etc. etc.

 

[BuckeyeSurgn]

I think ppl get confused with law school rankings...where which tier you go to matters ALOT. Mainly because the quality of education there is a big drop off. But med schools are different bred. The quality is consistently good throughout every school.

Yes, reputation wise it does make a difference if you went to UPenn versus a state school. But that difference is not as big as people think it is...

This is such a good way to put it. Couldn't have said it better.