time to move on, out of the postbac circle.

[youngman]

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u know, people. i wish that someone could have told me years ago.

i also spent lots of time trying to take more classes, etc. at that time, i also thought that caribbean schools are for those who are really desperate, etc.
then i talked to one guy that i met from this site, and he had similar situations as i had, and he told me about him applying do schools and a few caribbean schools. now he has already finished his program at Ross, he is already back in the land of free, home of the brave. he is half way done with his MD program.

so for those of you who are taking several years to take post-bac programs, i say, it is time to move on. try a caribbean school, in the end, you might have wished that you could have started early to save your years of time.

think about it, after you get your md, after 10 years, who is gonna care where you get your education. it only matters that you can practice medicine in the country.

and i have met several really smart people who didn't even bother with reapplying any med. schools in the states, they just came to the caribbean right out of college. and they are doing great right now.

 

[kalix]

u know, people. i wish that someone could have told me years ago.

i also spent lots of time trying to take more classes, etc. at that time, i also thought that caribbean schools are for those who are really desperate, etc.
then i talked to one guy that i met from this site, and he had similar situations as i had, and he told me about him applying do schools and a few caribbean schools. now he has already finished his program at Ross, he is already back in the land of free, home of the brave. he is half way done with his MD program.

so for those of you who are taking several years to take post-bac programs, i say, it is time to move on. try a caribbean school, in the end, you might have wished that you could have started early to save your years of time.

think about it, after you get your md, after 10 years, who is gonna care where you get your education. it only matters that you can practice medicine in the country.

and i have met several really smart people who didn't even bother with reapplying any med. schools in the states, they just came to the caribbean right out of college. and they are doing great right now.

Well, I see what you're saying, BUT, in all honesty going to a US medical school has its advantages. I'm not going to even get into the details, since this issue has been discussed to exhaustion over and over again. However, the most notable reasons for going to a US medical school, when possible, include: America is just better than any other country, no matter how you slice it. This is where it's at, and this is where you will receive the best education and best opportnuty no matter what your endeavor may be. When it comes down to it, a year or two of post-bacc is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Benefits outweigh the costs tremendously. Plus, with the post-bacc experience, you will not only be a step ahead once in medical school, but also once it comes time to apply for residencies.

I would say if you try getting into a US medical school at least twice(personally, I would say three attempts), and still are coming up short, then consider filing a few caribbean applications during your third attempt as a back up plan. Just my opinion, good luck!! 👍

 

[youngman]

it would be fine if you take 2 extra years to finish a post-bac program and have a guarantee for one of the US schools. however, it doesn't happen.

and some of you, seriously, simply don't have the high gpa and mcat scores to be ever considered by any us med. schools. you have to be realistic. besides, your biological clock is ticking, too. if you are a woman, you have more disadvantage of delaying your other personal goals, such as having kids. your eggs are rotting every minute since the day u were born. and by the time you are over 30, you will have a much higher chance of having down syndrome babies.

 

[VPDcurt]

it would be fine if you take 2 extra years to finish a post-bac program and have a guarantee for one of the US schools. however, it doesn't happen.

and some of you, seriously, simply don't have the high gpa and mcat scores to be ever considered by any us med. schools. you have to be realistic. besides, your biological clock is ticking, too. if you are a woman, you have more disadvantage of delaying your other personal goals, such as having kids. your eggs are rotting every minute since the day u were born. and by the time you are over 30, you will have a much higher chance of having down syndrome babies.

you need to take your negativity and get the hell out of here. you are not in any position to tell people whether or not they are qualified to enter medical school. get over yourself. you are mad about something and, rather that vent here, take your bad attitude elsewhere.

 

[adpitan]

you need to take your negativity and get the hell out of here. you are not in any position to tell people whether or not they are qualified to enter medical school. get over yourself. you are mad about something and, rather that vent here, take your bad attitude elsewhere.

I agree, we are all here to support, not to be negative jerks about it. Take it somewhere else. Whatever your issue is, is just that your issue and not ours. If you want to go to school overseas the knock yourself out but don't come on to this post spouting your negativity.

 

[tllajd]

it would be fine if you take 2 extra years to finish a post-bac program and have a guarantee for one of the US schools. however, it doesn't happen.

and some of you, seriously, simply don't have the high gpa and mcat scores to be ever considered by any us med. schools. you have to be realistic. besides, your biological clock is ticking, too. if you are a woman, you have more disadvantage of delaying your other personal goals, such as having kids. your eggs are rotting every minute since the day u were born. and by the time you are over 30, you will have a much higher chance of having down syndrome babies.

Is it me, or is this guy kind of sick?

 

[adpitan]

Is it me, or is this guy kind of sick?

Finding women with fertility issues to be a laughing matter makes me wonder about the maturity level of this individual. Suggesting that women over 30 should not have children is horrible. This is not someone that I would ever want to work with or would want to see my patients, not only due to the comments that have been made but also because I would wonder about the educational background of this individual.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

if you are a woman, you have more disadvantage of delaying your other personal goals, such as having kids. your eggs are rotting every minute since the day u were born. and by the time you are over 30, you will have a much higher chance of having down syndrome babies.

Not only is this troll sour, he's just plain dumb. First of all the generally accepted point of "risk introduction" for pregnancy is 35. At that, I have two perfect boys who were born when my wife was 35 and 37 respectively...

Get a clue and a life!

Ock

 

[youngman]

persistence is one thing, being able to realize one's shortcoming is even better.

face it, i am telling you all the truth. and truth can hurt. some of you simply don't have the mentality, intelligence to finish med. schools. no matter how many classes you take, you simply can't make it all the way to the end. it is a waste of your time and money. and i am sure that you may have heard about it already.

it is a scientific fact that women over 30 have a higher possibility of harbour down syndrome kids. don't call me a troll or immature, because i didn't make it up. and nowhere did i ever say that women over 30 should not have kids. i wonder how much you got on mcat's verbal section.

it is a urban legend to tell people to try post-bac at least once or twice before you apply to those carib. med. schools. i took it like it is the only truth, i was wrong. there are plenty of people who graduated from college, and just started in one of the carib. med. schools right away.

if you are a true gold, you will shine no matter where you are. if you are still not getting good grades in post-bac programs, and you still think that you are the md material. you should really go to a carib. school and see if you can even pass the first semester.

then i have seen those people who failed at one caribbean school, they just transfered to another.

 

[youngman]

truth can hurt.

there are lots of "nice" people out here and on the net, they tell you to not to give up, they tell u that your low gpas should not matter as long as you show the persistence, etc. those are all bs.

med. schools now have way too many applicants. they don't care who the heck you are, all they care is your GPA and your mcat scores.

your mba program won't help you, because those don't count as science classes. med. schools want to see your science GPA. and your average gpa plus the post-bac program is still below 3.0, you simply can't get in.

don't let those stories to fool you, like so and so with mcat under 25 got in, so and so with gpa 2.5 got in. those may have happened before, but it is not gonna be you unless you are a down syndrome patient or something. don't put your hope too high.

 

[Nora]

You are a seriously disturbed human being. I assure you that no one logs onto these boards to take advice about family and future planning from snot-nosed creatures who think they know the answer to everything. Where do you get these assertions that med schools have too many applicants or what someone's chances at admission may be? I would suggest that you spend some time learning how to write proper and meaningful sentences instead of trolling these boards looking for ways to irk people and offend them. And by the way, the next time you get this incredible urge to comment on what women may or may not do, try to open a book and get informed before you spew ignorant claims.

truth can hurt.

there are lots of "nice" people out here and on the net, they tell you to not to give up, they tell u that your low gpas should not matter as long as you show the persistence, etc. those are all bs.

med. schools now have way too many applicants. they don't care who the heck you are, all they care is your GPA and your mcat scores.

your mba program won't help you, because those don't count as science classes. med. schools want to see your science GPA. and your average gpa plus the post-bac program is still below 3.0, you simply can't get in.

don't let those stories to fool you, like so and so with mcat under 25 got in, so and so with gpa 2.5 got in. those may have happened before, but it is not gonna be you unless you are a down syndrome patient or something. don't put your hope too high.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

truth can hurt.

Ahhh, I see, after a simple search of this bone head's previous posts, why he's so angry at the world. He's already blown his chance and is a student at Ross! (no disprespect to Ross students btw)

He was probably told among an increasing number of Ross students lately that he'll be kicked out due to the school attempting to raise standards by jettisoning twirps like "YougMan".

And, again the age threshold for increased risk for Trisomy21 is 35...go talk to an actual OB.

Ock

 

[tllajd]

truth can hurt.

there are lots of "nice" people out here and on the net, they tell you to not to give up, they tell u that your low gpas should not matter as long as you show the persistence, etc. those are all bs.

med. schools now have way too many applicants. they don't care who the heck you are, all they care is your GPA and your mcat scores.

your mba program won't help you, because those don't count as science classes. med. schools want to see your science GPA. and your average gpa plus the post-bac program is still below 3.0, you simply can't get in.

don't let those stories to fool you, like so and so with mcat under 25 got in, so and so with gpa 2.5 got in. those may have happened before, but it is not gonna be you unless you are a down syndrome patient or something. don't put your hope too high.

You know folks, we are all going have challenges like this. Even from our own. It's the devil's advocate. We will each take on our own challenges. We know that we have no clear cut answer that if we continue on our way we will be accepted into medical school. But do we give up and settle...no way. I will continue to work for my goal.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

You know folks, we are all going have challenges like this. Even from our own. It's the devil's advocate. We will each take on our own challenges. We know that we have no clear cut answer that if we continue on our way we will be accepted into medical school. But do we give up and settle...no way. I will continue to work for my goal.

Good point tllajd.

For anyone who looks the difficulty of this challenge in the face and doesn't fold, they have my support. Good luck to you too.

Ock

 

[jules0328]

They should not let this guy post anything on SDN. This is a bad thread, and it should be shut down.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

They should not let this guy post anything on SDN. This is a bad thread, and it should be shut down.

I agree. Hey Lee, can you boot this guy...youngman?

ockhamsRzr

 

[j8131]

What did this guy say that could possibly warrant "booting"? I love that people are supportive here, but this guy is voicing a legitimate alternative perspective that's worth listening to. His comments were more benign than some of the replies, one of which called him "disturbed". He sounded like he was trying to be constructive. Then he got attacked, viciously at times.

 

[tllajd]

your eggs are rotting every minute since the day u were born.

This is pretty disturbed, in my opinion. Banned, maybe not, but disturbed, yeah, a little.

 

[pem8erly]

what youngman says makes sense regarding taking time to pursue a post-bac program versus applying to medical schools outside the US and getting started right away. However, going to the Caribbean is a pretty big step for most of us applying to schools and is usually a last option when all others have been exhausted. For some people going straight into a Caribbean school is the right option, for others they need to try their hand at a state school before making that decision regardless of other people's personal experience.

The method of illustrating how time is passing by is questionable however. I think most women are aware of their body and do not need your friendly reminder.

 

[kmnfive]

ladies, gentlemen, please, dont feed the fire with gasoline, and stop feeding this troll.

 

[youngman]

ockhamsRzr, this is funny. i am old enough to not to get upset for what you have written. on the other hand, i think that you are being foolish for yourself if you plan to spend more time on post-back programs, and more money on those.

in the end, if you ever get in a med. school in the usa, good for u. but if you tried several years, and spent tons of money, still can't get in any med. schools in the usa. then go laught at yourself for your own stupidity.

i am telling everyone here to consider the options of moving on, moing out of postbac programs. because some of you just don't have the ability, and US med. schools just have way too many applicants.

if you think that i am just trying to pick a fight or something, no wonder you end up doing post-bac, because you can't think properly.

what do you want me to tell u? oh, you are so smart, you are doing the postbac, no worries about getting Cs, harvard and yale are waiting for you. they are so eager to get students like you with low gpa, and low mcat scores. they don't care about what kinda of grades you have got, they care about you as who you are, you are so special. every med. school wants you.

is that the thing that u want to hear? then you still can't face the reality.

don't get mad at me for telling you to find a way to move on. wait for a few years, then come back and tell me that you wished that you could have listend to my advice.

 

[TiggidyTooth]

ockhamsRzr, this is funny. i am old enough to not to get upset for what you have written. on the other hand, i think that you are being foolish for yourself if you plan to spend more time on post-back programs, and more money on those.

in the end, if you ever get in a med. school in the usa, good for u. but if you tried several years, and spent tons of money, still can't get in any med. schools in the usa. then go laught at yourself for your own stupidity.

i am telling everyone here to consider the options of moving on, moing out of postbac programs. because some of you just don't have the ability, and US med. schools just have way too many applicants.

if you think that i am just trying to pick a fight or something, no wonder you end up doing post-bac, because you can't think properly.

what do you want me to tell u? oh, you are so smart, you are doing the postbac, no worries about getting Cs, harvard and yale are waiting for you. they are so eager to get students like you with low gpa, and low mcat scores. they don't care about what kinda of grades you have got, they care about you as who you are, you are so special. every med. school wants you.

is that the thing that u want to hear? then you still can't face the reality.

don't get mad at me for telling you to find a way to move on. wait for a few years, then come back and tell me that you wished that you could have listend to my advice.

Dude, first of all your grammer is simply atrocious. Your english is at such a level that I'm going to safely assume that you are not from this neck of the woods. Second of all, you don't need have einstinian itellect to be a doctor. Hard work and perseverence more than makes up for what you consider "ability". In my past experiences, I have found my fellow post-bac students the most motivated, mature, and successful students in the class. If these men and women can't make it, as hard as they work, as much as they have sacrificed, to follow their dreams then we are all in a terribly sad state. As for your childish lambasting of those "who cant face reality"...dude...we stare reality in the face everyday. Do you seriously think someone would go out and sacrifice thousands of dollars and hours without being educated on what the possible outcomes are or what one's chances are of getting into a US med school. Anyone can overcome any obstacle as long as the work and time has been put in. Period. End of story. I feel nausiated by the fact that I'm even giving you (an obviously misinformed troll) the time of day, but you hit a spot and I can't over look that. Dude...you're at ross, good job. You may or may not have tried your hardest to get into a US school but either way you would like to spin it you gave up. Congrats on being on the way to earning your MD but I sincerely hope during your tenure at Dominica you spend more time behind the books then you do recieving a cheap chuckle from pissing on someone else's efforts towards a goal that you were not "able" to attain. Plenty of people in the past have followed the road of the low stat applicant and have been successful and there will be plenty others, now do us all a favour and simply disappear. That would be grand. I'm sure you will make a wonderfully condisending physician in the future.

Tooth

 

[bivwack]

truth can hurt

You say your not, but are you sure your not a troll? You might want to rethink that. Because I seen you post stuff like this on some other threads (though i dont think you got the stones to try it in the allopathic forum) and if your not a troll the only other thing you could be is the biggest imbecile ever, angry as well. After looking over your other posts, those are the only two things that seem to fit.

Regardless, don't go pissing all over everyone else's plans and goals, because you couldn't hack it and had to leave the country so you could get into a half rate school. No one is denying that there are many more applicants than available spots in US med schools, or that, try as they might - some may never get in. People doing post bac and graduate programs know that Caribbean schools exist and that there easy to get into...hell, they let you in. Despite that fact, for a lot of people, there are many more compelling reasons to stay in the US and risk the time and money to improve upon their applications for American schools rather than do what you did. 👎

1.so for those of you who are taking several years to take post-bac programs, I say, it is time to move on.

2.it would be fine if you take 2 extra years to finish a post-bac program and have a guarantee for one of the US schools. however, it doesn't happen.

3...and some of you, seriously, simply don't have the high gpa and mcat scores to be ever considered by any us med. schools.

I don't see why you feel you can speak for everyone or what you base statements 1&2 on.... Unless you are ready to give up on med school, or leave the country because of a low undergrad GPA, post bac and graduate programs are hands down the best way to improve your application. More so than research or volunteer work. But just attending isn't all you have to do, you have to do well in the program, and doing well post bac/grad science classes will generally aid in raising a persons MCAT score. Also some programs are better than others and some programs may better suit a persons particular needs over others.
i.e. those who need to take the pre reqs. b/c they don't have them or those w/ extenuating circumstances.

4.....I also spent lots of time trying to take more classes, etc.....

5...your mba program won't help you, because those don't count as science classes. med. schools want to see your science GPA. and your average gpa plus the post-bac program is still below 3.0, you simply can't get in.

statements 4&5 lead me to believe you didn't follow those simple guidelines laid out above. I'm guessing you learned the hard way that you have to get good grades for those programs to help out an application.
also statement 5 - that you so lamely posted word for word in two different threads - you know that a MBA wont help much because on top of doing crappy in your classes you went for a MPH right? when did you realize that of all the post back/graduate programs one can chose from to improve their application a MPH is pretty low on the list if not useless.

I know this stuff because, had a 2.9 undergrad gpa, so I #1.chose a good program appropriate for my particular needs, the BU MA in med sci program, and #2 busted my ass and aced my classes. Then #3 applied to med school in the united states and was #4 accepted into a US medschool as were about 85% of my classmates, they also worked hard and got good grades.
What I did is not uncommon and pretty straight forward lots of students do it each year, be it with a post bac, MA or MS. An excellent investment of $40k and two years of my time. I am now a MS2 at BU and so long as I keep my grades up I will land an ortho residency after graduation. That's an option I have, and my classmates who work hard shouldn't have a problem if they want to match a competitive residency, since BU has a great reputation amongst residency directors. Don't think you can say the same, I hear its pretty hard for an FMG to match anything that's competitive. So in ten years when your doing whatever is you are lucky enough to land, that 2 years and $40K will translate into about $200k more a year for me, small price in the long run.
So where did your dumb ass go wrong?

then i have seen those people who failed at one caribbean school, they just transfered to another.

Oh, maybe going to a school where this kind of crap goes on.
also

6. -by the time you are over 30, you will have a much higher chance of having down syndrome babies

7.it is a scientific fact that women over 30 have a higher possibility of harbour down syndrome kids. don't call me a troll or immature, because i didn't make it up.

though you didn't "make it up" your an imbecile who has no idea what he is talking about.
The incidence of trisomy/nondisjunction increases at a rate that is near linear from 2% at 24yo to 8% at 34 yo, thereafter there is sharp rise to 12% at 36yo , 30% at 40 years of age and goes as high as 35% for those women >42yo . (Hassold & Hunt, Nat Rev Genet 2002) Those are the numbers.
So your wrong anyway you roll it, the dramatic increase happens around 35, at 30 years the incidence is 5%, equal to that 14yo since very young mothers also show an increased incidence.
As far as your stupid argument that this should be a consideration for females, when deciding if they should attend a half assed school filled w/ half assed student like you, rather than spend two additional years in a postbac/grad program , the "much higher chance" you referred to is slightly greater than 1%. I would be more concerned about the risk of parasite/tropical disease that could be acquired attending your crummy school.


There are so many more things that you posted I would just love to tear apart, you make its so easy, but I got to get back to my path notes.

so in closing; your an idiot and your school sucks.

though ross is one of "the better ones" %90 of your future colleges will consider you a second class doc, stick to the Caribbean forum you have nothing to add elsewhere.

 

[gujuDoc]

truth can hurt.

there are lots of "nice" people out here and on the net, they tell you to not to give up, they tell u that your low gpas should not matter as long as you show the persistence, etc. those are all bs.

med. schools now have way too many applicants. they don't care who the heck you are, all they care is your GPA and your mcat scores.

your mba program won't help you, because those don't count as science classes. med. schools want to see your science GPA. and your average gpa plus the post-bac program is still below 3.0, you simply can't get in.

don't let those stories to fool you, like so and so with mcat under 25 got in, so and so with gpa 2.5 got in. those may have happened before, but it is not gonna be you unless you are a down syndrome patient or something. don't put your hope too high.

I hate to break it to ya man,

But I know a guy who had 8 F's on his transcript but went into the navy and became disciplined while becoming a physical therapist, came back to school got straight A's and then took the MCAT and got 37N and got 4 interview invites of which he got into his first choice med school

I know a lady who was 37 who got into a DO school this year and once had 10F's on her transcript but got straight A's when she came back to school

I know a lady who got into 3 med schools after 10 yrs of being a nurse with a 3.9 post bac gpa and only a 24 on her MCAT

So guess again, it does happen everyday. there are people everyday who may have had a bad year or something, but made up for it by being determined and got where they want to be.

 

[911Med]

Dude, first of all your grammer is simply atrocious. Your english is at such a level that I'm going to safely assume that you are not from this neck of the woods. Second of all, you don't need have einstinian itellect to be a doctor. Hard work and perseverence more than makes up for what you consider "ability". In my past experiences, I have found my fellow post-bac students the most motivated, mature, and successful students in the class. If these men and women can't make it, as hard as they work, as much as they have sacrificed, to follow their dreams then we are all in a terribly sad state. As for your childish lambasting of those "who cant face reality"...dude...we stare reality in the face everyday. Do you seriously think someone would go out and sacrifice thousands of dollars and hours without being educated on what the possible outcomes are or what one's chances are of getting into a US med school. Anyone can overcome any obstacle as long as the work and time has been put in. Period. End of story. I feel nausiated by the fact that I'm even giving you (an obviously misinformed troll) the time of day, but you hit a spot and I can't over look that. Dude...you're at ross, good job. You may or may not have tried your hardest to get into a US school but either way you would like to spin it you gave up. Congrats on being on the way to earning your MD but I sincerely hope during your tenure at Dominica you spend more time behind the books then you do recieving a cheap chuckle from pissing on someone else's efforts towards a goal that you were not "able" to attain. Plenty of people in the past have followed the road of the low stat applicant and have been successful and there will be plenty others, now do us all a favour and simply disappear. That would be grand. I'm sure you will make a wonderfully condisending physician in the future.

Tooth

Tooth -

I am a classically-trained, published, writer.
My old, decrepit, cynical gluteus maximus is always impressed by your eloquence. Keep the spirit of writing and diction alive my friend.
911Med

 

[LoveDoc]

bitter 😀 ?

 

[TiggidyTooth]

Tooth -

I am a classically-trained, published, writer.
My old, decrepit, cynical gluteus maximus is always impressed by your eloquence. Keep the spirit of writing and diction alive my friend.
911Med

Just trying to keep the dream alive my friend, simply trying to keep it alive.

Tooth

 

[youngman]

tooth, you can't spell. you should check yours first before you critisize about my english.

like i have said before, i will get my MD in the next few years, and u will still be struggling trying to get in a md school. so laught at yourself for loading more debts by each everyday without a hope.

Dude, first of all your grammer is simply atrocious. Tooth

 

[TiggidyTooth]

tooth, you can't spell. you should check yours first before you critisize about my english.

like i have said before, i will get my MD in the next few years, and u will still be struggling trying to get in a md school. so laught at yourself for loading more debts by each everyday without a hope.

My poor confused, heat striken little islander compadre, i was astonished to find the quality of your english at a 3rd grade level, especially from an aspiring physician. I never challenged your ability to spell. Two different subjects entirely bro. Mine is also laughable but I am not here to argue spelling my busy little bee (get it? it made me giggle). I find that one's english is much more telling when trying discover one's itelligence, educational background, ability to articulate, etc. Oh, by the way there's no "s" in "criticize" you cute little hypocrite.

Dude, no one is laughing at anyone here. We're all proud that your on some distant rock sitting idle in a hut pouring over histology slides under candle light. You made a choice, it's yours and you own it. Good job. I guarantee that the majority of the kids posting on this board who bust their tails will get in somewhere in the US. These are the kinds of people I admire most. Don't give up, don't ever give up. Oh, I'm actually applying right this minute. Seeing that I have managed a 4.0 GPA in my post-bac in taking nothing but upper division science classes over the last 1 1/2 years, spent plenty of time shadowing physicians, fed homeless people every monday, as well as being a published 1st author in a well respected journal I do hold plenty of hope come decision time as long as Mr. MCAT is close to what my practice scores were indicating. I did manage to acrue a little more debt but i don't feel it too much. So, if i come across you in the wards (which I doubt if your posts are at all indicitive of your personality) I will certainly never laugh at you or your struggles and I would expect any mature professional
not to laugh at mine but be open and appreciate the sacrifice, maybe even give me the ol' power pat on the back with a thumbs up and say "Good job son, you did it".

Tooth

P.S.

Jerk-offs don't make good doctors

 

[911Med]

Tooth - once again a well outlined rebuttal - almost surgical in its accuracy, with just enough panache and wit to keep us smiling and maintain your rep. Good stuff.

However - I think this troll has had enough attention.
This reminds me of the old adage:
"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

I myself am paying an exhorbanant amount of non-resident tuition for a MS degree and will also be praying to the MCAT Gods once again in the upcoming months. Why? Because I want this more than anything else.

The truth is is that anyone who wants to be a physician bad enough will earn their degree. The location and quality of education will indeed vary, but yes, their parents will be able to tell their neighbors that their son or daughter is a doctor as they pick out a rump roast in the nieghborhood grocery store.

Debt is a personal thing. Who cares? It amazes me that someone would post something reagrding this. Does my Visa bill effect anyone else? Then why would someone state that I am accumulating debt in a post-bac program instead of attending a FMS?

The harder you work for something the more you enjoy it. Bottom line.

Sure - I wouldn't mind a $40,000 3-Series in my driveway (the price of my MS degree = $20K x 2 years)

BUT - I am enjoying the learning process - and above all improving myself, STAYING HUMBLE - and in the end I will eventually become the physician I want to be.

No one will criticize me for my debt.
No one will question my age. (I'll have a few more grey hairs than the average Joe or Nancy.)
And I will be a humble, approachable, doctor who has completed his journey NOT the most expedious way, but the way that his path took him. - and he enjoyed every tedious step.

I refuse to spellcheck this - consider it the artistic component of my prose.

 

[DScheveningen]

Tooth - once again a well outlined rebuttal - almost surgical in its accuracy, with just enough panache and wit to keep us smiling and maintain your rep. Good stuff.

However - I think this troll has had enough attention.
This reminds me of the old adage:
"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

I myself am paying an exhorbanant amount of non-resident tuition for a MS degree and will also be praying to the MCAT Gods once again in the upcoming months. Why? Because I want this more than anything else.

The truth is is that anyone who wants to be a physician bad enough will earn their degree. The location and quality of education will indeed vary, but yes, their parents will be able to tell their neighbors that their son or daughter is a doctor as they pick out a rump roast in the nieghborhood grocery store.

Debt is a personal thing. Who cares? It amazes me that someone would post something reagrding this. Does my Visa bill effect anyone else? Then why would someone state that I am accumulating debt in a post-bac program instead of attending a FMS?

The harder you work for something the more you enjoy it. Bottom line.

Sure - I wouldn't mind a $40,000 3-Series in my driveway (the price of my MS degree = $20K x 2 years)

BUT - I am enjoying the learning process - and above all improving myself, STAYING HUMBLE - and in the end I will eventually become the physician I want to be.

No one will criticize me for my debt.
No one will question my age. (I'll have a few more grey hairs than the average Joe or Nancy.)
And I will be a humble, approachable, doctor who has completed his journey NOT the most expedious way, but the way that his path took him. - and he enjoyed every tedious step.

I refuse to spellcheck this - consider it the artistic component of my prose.

You rock! 👍

 

[911Med]

Thanks dude.

Hopefully my few words will keep the fire going in at least one non-traditional/post-bac/dreamer.

I still wish I had the eloquent, fluid, "byatch-slap" prose that Tooth lays down.

I can only hope what I lack in fluidity, I can make up in inspiration.

Off to study graduate biochem.

 

[TiggidyTooth]

Tooth - once again a well outlined rebuttal - almost surgical in its accuracy, with just enough panache and wit to keep us smiling and maintain your rep. Good stuff.

However - I think this troll has had enough attention.
This reminds me of the old adage:
"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

I myself am paying an exhorbanant amount of non-resident tuition for a MS degree and will also be praying to the MCAT Gods once again in the upcoming months. Why? Because I want this more than anything else.

The truth is is that anyone who wants to be a physician bad enough will earn their degree. The location and quality of education will indeed vary, but yes, their parents will be able to tell their neighbors that their son or daughter is a doctor as they pick out a rump roast in the nieghborhood grocery store.

Debt is a personal thing. Who cares? It amazes me that someone would post something reagrding this. Does my Visa bill effect anyone else? Then why would someone state that I am accumulating debt in a post-bac program instead of attending a FMS?

The harder you work for something the more you enjoy it. Bottom line.

Sure - I wouldn't mind a $40,000 3-Series in my driveway (the price of my MS degree = $20K x 2 years)

BUT - I am enjoying the learning process - and above all improving myself, STAYING HUMBLE - and in the end I will eventually become the physician I want to be.

No one will criticize me for my debt.
No one will question my age. (I'll have a few more grey hairs than the average Joe or Nancy.)
And I will be a humble, approachable, doctor who has completed his journey NOT the most expedious way, but the way that his path took him. - and he enjoyed every tedious step.

I refuse to spellcheck this - consider it the artistic component of my prose.

911Med, your monologue is both moving and charming, almost shakespearean in escense without any trajedy of course. Although your points are well articulated they do not conjure up out right disdain for our fair weathered friend. I wish I posseced your broad vocabulary. Have you ever thought about law-school? The medical profession will enjoy your offerings. Now i shall off myself as I wait in pain for those bloody scores. PRAY FOR ME!!

Tooth

 

[youngman]

so what is the matter with you, you can't spell, "intelligence," "grammar," I find that one's english is much telling when trying to discover one's mentality and ability to remember things, etc.

if you can't spell, it tells us that you have a memory problem. If you can't remember easy things, it suggests that you may have a hard time to memory so many random facts in med. school.

do tell us how many languages do you speak. Downs syndrome patients also speak normal english, in case, u haven't learned that.

 

[youngman]

I myself am paying an exhorbanant amount of non-resident tuition for a MS degree and will also be praying to the MCAT Gods once again in the upcoming months. Why? Because I want this more than anything else.

good for u. can you tell everyone that after all the money that you have spent, and all the effects that you have done, can u be sure that one of the med. school in the US will admit u?

and that is exactly what i am trying to tell everyone. sometimes, it is wise to move on with your life. and carib. schools are one of the choices. there is no scientific research that can tell us that post-bac programs really work. time is flying, especially for women who have no kids, no husbands.

reality is harsh, i would rather tell u the truth than telling you to keep on forever.

 

[ussdfiant]

Alright people, let's try to keep it civil in here!

 

[gujuDoc]

good for u. can you tell everyone that after all the money that you have spent, and all the effects that you have done, can u be sure that one of the med. school in the US will admit u?

and that is exactly what i am trying to tell everyone. sometimes, it is wise to move on with your life. and carib. schools are one of the choices. there is no scientific research that can tell us that post-bac programs really work. time is flying, especially for women who have no kids, no husbands.

reality is harsh, i would rather tell u the truth than telling you to keep on forever.

And who are you to say that every female postbac wants children??????

I know a lady who did postbac and sure isn't regretting it considering she got into 3 out of 4 med schools in Florida and wishes to be a general surgeon. She is married and has been for more than 10yrs and wishes to have no children, so don't assume everyone is only thinking about having kids at a certain age.

Even if a person got into med school right away, a lot of women in med school, don't have children until they are 30 bc they would rather finish residency first.

So stop making assumptions.

Yes, Carribean is one option, but it should be considered as a last choice if there is a possibility that you believe you can get into a us med school by doing post bac programs

And I hate to tell it to you my friend, but there are some programs that guarantee you an interview if you pass their postbac programs such as linkage programs between hopkins and gwu

or the GEMS program or Wakeforest program for minorities

or in some cases georgetown smp.

Or have you simply forgotten that.

If you choose to go to a foreign school that is your choice, but don't tell others what they should and shouldn't do.

 

[TiggidyTooth]

so what is the matter with you, you can't spell, "intelligence," "grammar," I find that one's english is much telling when trying to discover one's mentality and ability to remember things, etc.

if you can't spell, it tells us that you have a memory problem. If you can't remember easy things, it suggests that you may have a hard time to memory so many random facts in med. school.

do tell us how many languages do you speak. Downs syndrome patients also speak normal english, in case, u haven't learned that.

"Is much telling" ??? what are you a neandrethal. Yeah bro, i didnt hit spell check...you caught me!! That proves that i'm sloppy at best but mentally challenged? I sincerely doubt that there have ever been any studies significantly correlated intelligence with one's ability to spell "grammar". On the other hand, how bout reading and writing skills? Wow...remember that llittle test that you bombed oh so gracefully and was a contributing factor to your present residence (on a rock in the middle of the atlantic). That's right bro...simple reading and writing. ENGLISH...not spelling you confused little sdn transient. And down syndrome may speak english, and at a level slightly higher than your..so what's your point? I actually manage to speak 2 languages fluently and can get by in another. What exactly does that prove? You are confused. I'm simply finished with you. You haven't contributed a morsal of information in your last couple of posts and actually may have succeeded in slowing down my reading comprehension. Good job. I will no longer respond to your jabbering and I sincerely hope that these posts are not a true reflection of your personality (and intellliggenncceee). No spell check here either big boy...perhaps im coming down with alzheimer's.

Tooth

 

[TiggidyTooth]

good for u. can you tell everyone that after all the money that you have spent, and all the effects that you have done, can u be sure that one of the med. school in the US will admit u?

and that is exactly what i am trying to tell everyone. sometimes, it is wise to move on with your life. and carib. schools are one of the choices. there is no scientific research that can tell us that post-bac programs really work. time is flying, especially for women who have no kids, no husbands.

reality is harsh, i would rather tell u the truth than telling you to keep on forever.

Can someone please give this jerkoff the boot? My god he's annoying.

Tooth

 

[youngman]

yes, stop making assumptions. everyone says that carib should be the last choice, but who told you that? did you read it from a well known scientific research, or did you hear it from someone else? was there any research or a fellow up on all those mds from US and from Carib?

after ten years of graduation,it certainly won't matter where you graduated. and even people from ivy med. schools are not always the best.

yes, there are some postbac programs that have linkage programs, but those are not for the general people who have low GPAs and/or low MCAT scores. those programs are mostly for those who have never taken science classes.

i have met plenty of smart people at my school who didn't even bother to apply any med. schools in the US, they came to here right away. we have those lawyers who want to be doctors, we have those really smart people who just didn't get in a US med. school. many didn't bother to apply again or consider a postbac program.

so it is not true to say that carib schools are the last choice. and like i have said before, the problem may be is in yourself. some of the students we have here simply don't fit to be doctors, they have bad attitudes, bad study habits. and some of you who are doing postbac programs are just one of them. you think that you are gonna be a big shot, but maybe med. schools are just not for u.

So stop making assumptions.

Yes, Carribean is one option, but it should be considered as a last choice if there is a possibility that you believe you can get into a us med school by doing post bac programs

And I hate to tell it to you my friend, but there are some programs that guarantee you an interview if you pass their postbac programs such as linkage programs between hopkins and gwu

or the GEMS program or Wakeforest program for minorities

or in some cases georgetown smp.

Or have you simply forgotten that.

If you choose to go to a foreign school that is your choice, but don't tell others what they should and shouldn't do.

 

[VPDcurt]

youngman,
Your english is absolutely brutal - it's actually very difficult and painful to read at times. The caribbean is a last resort for almost everyone here in the US...as it was for you many dreadful years ago. You need to end your feelings of denial in order to move forward with your inferior life and your sub-par medical training. Maybe I'll see you during residency (PS - I like my coffee with 2 sugars and a lot of cream).

 

[911Med]

Remember my little "never wrestle a pig" quote?

Well people, we are not only wrestling with this pig, we are wrestling him at the Old Country Buffett, in a vat of gravy, snorting lines of bacon bits, eating pork rind sundaes, smoking Marlboros and watching NASCAR.

After all, much like Hawaii, PORK is very popular in the islands.

We'll all be doctors eventually. Let everyone choose their own path - that way there is less traffic on your route.

Words of greasy wisdom.

911Med

 

[DScheveningen]

english brutal, that's why he's "youngman" 🙄

 

[gujuDoc]

yes, stop making assumptions. everyone says that carib should be the last choice, but who told you that? did you read it from a well known scientific research, or did you hear it from someone else? was there any research or a fellow up on all those mds from US and from Carib?

after ten years of graduation,it certainly won't matter where you graduated. and even people from ivy med. schools are not always the best.

yes, there are some postbac programs that have linkage programs, but those are not for the general people who have low GPAs and/or low MCAT scores. those programs are mostly for those who have never taken science classes.

i have met plenty of smart people at my school who didn't even bother to apply any med. schools in the US, they came to here right away. we have those lawyers who want to be doctors, we have those really smart people who just didn't get in a US med. school. many didn't bother to apply again or consider a postbac program.

so it is not true to say that carib schools are the last choice. and like i have said before, the problem may be is in yourself. some of the students we have here simply don't fit to be doctors, they have bad attitudes, bad study habits. and some of you who are doing postbac programs are just one of them. you think that you are gonna be a big shot, but maybe med. schools are just not for u.

And who are you to say whether I am going to go to med school or not??? First off, you know nothing about me, my yr in school, my educational background, my gpa or mcat, etc.

I have only told you how my friends succeeded in postbac programs but never said anything about my own educational background to you.

Secondly, it is a personal thing for a person to decide whether they would rather wait a couple years and then go to med school, or go to a carribbean school.

Going to the right med school, is more than just going to any school, but the one that also fits best for your situation. Some people who are married with spouses that have their own businesses, don't want to or can afford to be away from their spouses for a long time like that.

Others who have had a totally different career and may have had a low gpa but worked hard from getting a job and learned better study skills may be better suited in later life to do what they couldn't do when they were younger. Regardless of what you believe, people do change as they get older and some of them become better doctors because life thought them how to be harder workers and learn from the mistakes they made when they were mere youthful inexperienced people.

Don't judge without the facts.

As per your own words, where a person goes to school doesn't matter, however, where one goes to residency does matter.

And by the rules of the US, 1st choice goes to passing us md students, then do students, and then carribbean students, and then other foreign students.

While I have heard of success stories at carribbean schools, I have also heard of cases where the person has had to wait as long as 10 yrs and still hasn't gotten back into the states. So there is no guarantee either route you take, so why not go with your gut instinct? And stop relating everything to a woman's biological clock, because as a woman, I can say I don't only think about becoming a housewife settling with kids........ I have other dreams that will be reached first.

 

[youngman]

youngman,
Your english is absolutely brutal - it's actually very difficult and painful to read at times. The caribbean is a last resort for almost everyone here in the US....

For one thing, you can't spell. It is like you and I are running away from a tiger, you run about 50 meters, and I run about 100 meters. Then you laugh at me for being scared of tigers. So in a way, your English is also absolutely brutal.

Second, attacking my English ability only shows how low you can get. Read my subject, it has nothing to do with one's English.

At last, who told you that Caribbean is the last resort? Did you get it from a well-performed research? Did you find it written in any books? It is a telltale.
There are many smarter people than you who have already graduated Carib schools, and who are just doing fine.

 

[youngman]

yes, it varies among people. that is why i am saying that for some of you, you will never get in med. schools in the US. carib schools could be your one and only choice. for some, they can't even finish the first semester in a carib school.

and that is why i am trying to tell everyone time to move on. post-bac could be a waste of money since you don't have the mentality to finish med. school at all.

how many years will you spend in doing residency, and how many years will you spend on practicing medicine? Not even those ivy schools can gurantee you a good residency. it all depends on the person.

"the rules of the US" does not apply to every individual. there is no gurantee that if one spends several years and loads of money on a post-bac program, s/he will get a good residency.

yes, there are people who may have spent 10 years in carib schools, and still can't pass USMLE step 1. and some of you might be one of them. you don't want to give up, but you don't have the intelligence to finish. so it is not because those carib schools are bad, it is the person that can't succeed.

older women have great chances of having Downs syndrome babies. that is a fact.

As per your own words, where a person goes to school doesn't matter, however, where one goes to residency does matter.

And by the rules of the US, 1st choice goes to passing us md students, then do students, and then carribbean students, and then other foreign students.

I have also heard of cases where the person has had to wait as long as 10 yrs and still hasn't gotten back into the states.

 

[jays2cool4u]

Is it me or has this forum taken a turn for the worse? I thought SDN was supposed to be an informative support system for post-bacs alike. There is a correct way to voice an opinion without being too emotional and defensive. Besides, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Just because Lucy got into the Peanuts School of Medicine via post-bac does not mean that Charlie Brown's Caribbean medical education was all in vain. An M.D. is M.D. is an M.D. It's just a title! What happened to the big picture of practicing medicine for the good of...blah blah blah?

JRJ

1st year post-bac student at Harvard Extension School

 

[iamhot2]

i agree, critisizing someone's english has nothing to do with post-bac. besides, maybe that is the reason that you need the program to improve yourself.

 

[TiggidyTooth]

i agree, critisizing someone's english has nothing to do with post-bac. besides, maybe that is the reason that you need the program to improve yourself.

I criticize this man's english because the lad dosen't make any bloody sense. You post a deliberate retort to each and every argument he posts and he simply comes back making blanket statements that sound like "You all will not finish US med school cause you is not smart enough so go to carib med school cause you won't waste money and babies wont have down syndrome"...WHAT IN SAM HELL DID HE JUST SAY!?!? I mean come on man...any school that let this bumpkin in is one that I would be very very weary of. (of course youngman...you may disregard my spelling for argument's sake cause I ain't gonna proof read it or run the majic spell check)

Disrespectfully submitted,

The Aloof Tooth

 

[iamhot2]

yea, maybe you should critize about your own GPA and your MCAT score. mind your own business. everything is true.

isn't true that you got rejected by the US med. schools because you are not smart enough? Isn't true that women over 30 have a much higher chance of having ******ed babies?

isn't it also true that you may have to spend thousands of dollars on post-bac education, yet in the end, there is still no med. school that will accept you?