time to move on, out of the postbac circle.

[TiggidyTooth]

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yea, maybe you should critize about your own GPA and your MCAT score. mind your own business. everything is true.

isn't true that you got rejected by the US med. schools because you are not smart enough? Isn't true that women over 30 have a much higher chance of having ******ed babies?

isn't it also true that you may have to spend thousands of dollars on post-bac education, yet in the end, there is still no med. school that will accept you?

iamnot2..WOW...your prose reads vaguely similar to someone I know who also rights like a left handed dislexic aboriginee (no offense to those who are left handed, dislexic, or aboriginees). Youngman....could that possibly be you my favorite ankle biting troll. Offly cunning of you to create a new account. You are a poor misguided soul. Oh, my gpa rocks, my mcat rocks, i am certainly smart enough and my 30 year old wife will have very beautiful and very healthy children. Nothing is true. I hope one day while your passed out on the beach with your anatomy books some little kids (or dogs) cruise by and relieve thy selves upon your studious self. You are the definitive lamer.

Tooth

 

[jays2cool4u]

I hope one day while your passed out on the beach with your anatomy books some little kids (or dogs) cruise by and relieve thy selves upon your studious self.

Funny

 

[gujuDoc]

I would like to point out to iamhot2 that just as you may spend a lot of money with no guarantees, there is no guarantee that you will get in a residency coming in from a carib school after all the first choices go to US MD and DO students.

 

[youngman]

exactly.

you people can spend all the upcoming years studying post-bac programs, spending tons of money, but you will have no guarantee.

at least, i am working at a MD degree. and some of you just are not made for MD.

 

[gujuDoc]

exactly.

you people can spend all the upcoming years studying post-bac programs, spending tons of money, but you will have no guarantee.

at least, i am working at a MD degree. and some of you just are not made for MD.

Just as you have no guarantee you will get a residency in the U.S. if all the spots are taken by the MD and DO students in the U.S. first.

 

[DrYo12]

Wow. So I was thinking that I'd come to the postbac board and find some supportive students in my situation, and I find bickering and fighting between kindred spirits. Sad.

The reality of the situation is this: for whatever reason, we find ourselves here rather than in medical school. Be it because we screwed around as undergrads, we had to work, we had family crises, whatever, the fact remains that many of us are having to work harder than the average person to fill our dreams.

For each person, the reasons and motivation to become a physician are different, but the endgame is the same: MD. As we trek through this wild game of medical school admissions, we all know that there is being honest with each other, and then there is being hurtful. While I value honesty and truly appreciate someone that can be honest, I cannot find an emotional or productive value in mudslinging and infighting. Yes, some people are less 'eloquent' in expressing themselves, and for this, they should be forgiven if only because we are all unique in our ways of interacting in the world. Just the same, we shouldn't be attacking each other's way of life, decisions, and thoughts on where we are in our lives. If you've come to the conclusion that postbac is a waste of time, that's ok and you're free to express that, but understand that when you're dealing with something as personal and intensely emotional as our futures and dreams, you are opening yourself up to a mountain of criticism.

Let's NOT bash each other's english, NOT bash each other's potential for medicine, and let DO be supportive and constructive for each other...

Sound like a plan?

 

[KNightInBlue]

exactly.

you people can spend all the upcoming years studying post-bac programs, spending tons of money, but you will have no guarantee.

at least, i am working at a MD degree. and some of you just are not made for MD.

Dude, can you pls tell me what school in the caribbean you go to? This way, I can warn anyone I know who might be going down there to watch out for you.

 

[youngman]

Not really. there are more residency spots than the avaialble applicants.

as long as a person has a decent usmle score, etc, s/he has no problem of getting a spot.

on the other hand, you may get a 4.0 gpa from your post-bac program, there is no still no gurantee for you to get in a us med. school.

Just as you have no guarantee you will get a residency in the U.S. if all the spots are taken by the MD and DO students in the U.S. first.

 

[gujuDoc]

Not really. there are more residency spots than the avaialble applicants.

as long as a person has a decent usmle score, etc, s/he has no problem of getting a spot.

on the other hand, you may get a 4.0 gpa from your post-bac program, there is no still no gurantee for you to get in a us med. school.

That is not necessarily true. Where did you get your statistics from????

Because a lot of the international students I have talked to including the students from the carribbean have had a hard time getting back into the states for residency.

Show me where statistics show that there are more residency spots than people to occupy them. I talk to a lot of residency instructors and residents who I shadow, and of the ones from carrib and international students, they have said how very hard it was to get in a residency period.

 

[junebuguf]

There is some truth to the assertion that there are more residency slots than applicants. However, these slots are in Family Practice, Pediatrics, Internal Medicine. et. et. The highly sought after slots (Ortho Surgery, Derm, Radiology, Opthamology) are almost impossible for a FMG to get. FMG's do, for the most part, get American residencies though. Just go to the websites for ross, sgu and auc--they post their students matches on their admissions page as an advertisement. Every now and then you'll see an ortho match, but not often. Forget about Derm and Optho.

Also, FMG's generally match into community hospitals, which is really bad if you want to do a fellowship. For example, say you want to do cardiology. As an FMG, you're probably not going to match into an academic center for your pre-req internal medicine years, but you should have no problem matching at xyz community hopsital. Then, when you apply for the cardio fellowship, you're screwed, because community hospital applicants have a much tougher time. The same applies for just about all fellowships--if you match at a community hospital for general surgery, getting a cardio thoracic surgery fellowship is going to be much more difficult.

However, there are many FMG's that *do* match at academic centers for things like general surgery and internal medicine--its much harder than for a domestic applicant, but it does happen (again, see the sgu, ross and auc web sites). I've even seen an ortho surgery match at UT Southwestern--one of the best hopstials in the country!!! So it can be done, its just much harder--you have little to no margin of error, meaning you absolutely need great grades whereever you go abroad, you need great USMLE scores and you need to interview well. If you dont have these skills and you want to match into something competitive, stay here in the US.

 

[youngman]

I am glad that you are questioning me. then i am not making up the material, because it is the truth. if you do some search online, you shall find out that there are many vacant residency spots every year, whether they are good or bad, i don't know.

i have a question for you, "Because a lot of the international students I have talked to including the students from the carribbean have had a hard time getting back into the states for residency."

did you ask them where they graduated, their USMLE scores, and what kind of postions they want?

if you go to a no-name carib schools, of course, you will have a less chance. there are two med. schools in the carib. that have been sending doctors back to the states and canada for the last twenty years or so.

That is not necessarily true. Where did you get your statistics from????

Because a lot of the international students I have talked to including the students from the carribbean have had a hard time getting back into the states for residency.

Show me where statistics show that there are more residency spots than people to occupy them. I talk to a lot of residency instructors and residents who I shadow, and of the ones from carrib and international students, they have said how very hard it was to get in a residency period.

 

[youngman]

well written.

however, junebuguf, and all the others who are reading this. you forgot to mention that those kinds of things happen to all the US students as well. can you say that all the US med. school grads can get all those good spots? wrong. obviously, there are plenty US grads who have and will continue to fill those less competitive spots, including "famil practice, pediatrics, internal medicine."

besides, if you had trouble of getting good grades during undergrads, how likely do you expect yourself getting much better grades in post-bac programs which tend to be harder.

so once again, you can spend as much money as you like, post-bac programs are not for everyone.

There is some truth to the assertion that there are more residency slots than applicants. However, these slots are in Family Practice, Pediatrics, Internal Medicine. et. et. The highly sought after slots (Ortho Surgery, Derm, Radiology, Opthamology) are almost impossible for a FMG to get. FMG's do, for the most part, get American residencies though. Just go to the websites for ross, sgu and auc--they post their students matches on their admissions page as an advertisement. Every now and then you'll see an ortho match, but not often. Forget about Derm and Optho.

Also, FMG's generally match into community hospitals, which is really bad if you want to do a fellowship. For example, say you want to do cardiology. As an FMG, you're probably not going to match into an academic center for your pre-req internal medicine years, but you should have no problem matching at xyz community hopsital. Then, when you apply for the cardio fellowship, you're screwed, because community hospital applicants have a much tougher time. The same applies for just about all fellowships--if you match at a community hospital for general surgery, getting a cardio thoracic surgery fellowship is going to be much more difficult.

However, there are many FMG's that *do* match at academic centers for things like general surgery and internal medicine--its much harder than for a domestic applicant, but it does happen (again, see the sgu, ross and auc web sites). I've even seen an ortho surgery match at UT Southwestern--one of the best hopstials in the country!!! So it can be done, its just much harder--you have little to no margin of error, meaning you absolutely need great grades whereever you go abroad, you need great USMLE scores and you need to interview well. If you dont have these skills and you want to match into something competitive, stay here in the US.