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[emergentmd]

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Pumping money to fix a problem never works and typically end up making the problems worse.

The disadvantaged/poor communities will never improve until parenting improves. I will never agree that b/c you grew up in a poor area with bad parents means that you do not know how to parent. Putting billions into poor communities will get 90% of the money wasted. Until the parents put their kids, their community, education first then nothing will change.

If you take 2 families in the same area. Give one family 100K without changing their mindset, they will be no better if not worse. If the other family have parents who sacrifice, put their heads down and work hard, and make sure their kid's #1 priority is to develop good kids, they will be better off than family #1 99% of the time.

Give families free handouts without expecting personal improvement will make the person worse. Accept that parenting is terrible in the poorer communities and put money to improve parenting, financial responsibility, fiscal education is the only way to improve these communities.

 

[doctalaughs]

I think this is feel-good empty nonsense. The first step to investing in these communities is admitting they are at a disproportionate disadvantage and need specific investment. This thread is a perfect example of how quickly people get triggered and defensive by that discussion. The reality that these disadvantaged communities exist because of racist policies and they continue to be disadvantaged because of racist policies is "divisive".

The data is clear that Black people and other minorities continue to be at a socioeconomic disadvantages today. What are the responses to that in this thread? Out right denial that issues continue to exist, arguments that there is something inherently wrong with Black communities, and arguments that we should implement social programs but in a way that completely ignores the fact that these disadvantages were established around race.

If you want to invest heavily in areas that are disadvantaged (ie pay teachers twice what you would in a rich school area to recruit the best ones) that will largely benefit black/brown groups. It will also help a few poor white folk, which is great.

If you instead say “you get more points on a standardized test curve” because you have dark skin—- well that is not only idiotic, it breeds resentment and incompetence.

See the difference?

 

[DeadCactus]

To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting we overlook that these communities became disadvantaged secondary to racist policies. But rather than the back and forth between left and right I’d rather see something happen to get the ball moving.

What would you like to see happen?

I don't view it as a right and left issue or even a white vs non-white issue. Racist (and other -ist/phobic) policies and beliefs have been and are promoted by people off all political affiliations, genders, colors, and other demographics. What I would like? Large scale funding and effort put into closing socioeconomic gaps that not encumbered by the selfish motivations and hurt feelings of socioeconomically advantaged groups. But you can't get there when people are still in denial that the problem exists, blame communities for their predicament instead of centuries of policy, treat "anti-racism" and "woke" as a slur because their feelings get hurt by the idea that simple luck may have plaid a role in their success, and just generally find a way to oppose anything that doesn't directly benefit them.

Pumping money to fix a problem never works and typically end up making the problems worse.

The disadvantaged/poor communities will never improve until parenting improves. I will never agree that b/c you grew up in a poor area with bad parents means that you do not know how to parent. Putting billions into poor communities will get 90% of the money wasted. Until the parents put their kids, their community, education first then nothing will change.

If you take 2 families in the same area. Give one family 100K without changing their mindset, they will be no better if not worse. If the other family have parents who sacrifice, put their heads down and work hard, and make sure their kid's #1 priority is to develop good kids, they will be better off than family #1 99% of the time.

Give families free handouts without expecting personal improvement will make the person worse. Accept that parenting is terrible in the poorer communities and put money to improve parenting, financial responsibility, fiscal education is the only way to improve these communities.

This is just the same tired and baseless assertions used to say minorities and other socioeconomically disadvantaged groups are disadvantaged because they are inherently flawed. Fabricating an allegory and making up statistics isn't evidence. These arguments are the same nonsense as administrators trying to throw burn-out and resiliency training at physicians instead of actually fixing the root problem but you'll offer it up with a straight face because clearly ignorance and a lack of ability must be the reason people are socioeconomically disadvantaged. Never mind that funding never works but here is a list of what should be funded, money to disadvantaged groups is a handout or welfare but money for the wealthy is development, and all the other tired tropes.

If you want to invest heavily in areas that are disadvantaged (ie pay teachers twice what you would in a rich school area to recruit the best ones) that will largely benefit black/brown groups. It will also help a few poor white folk, which is great.

If you instead say “you get more points on a standardized test curve” because you have dark skin—- well that is not only idiotic, it breeds resentment and incompetence.

See the difference?

The difference is one doesn't want to address racial disparities, misrepresents test scores as an objective measure of competence rather than socioeconomic status, and focuses on dancing around the feelings of the socioeconomically advantaged groups instead of actually working to solve problems.

Anyway, I've hit my limit for effort into a thread on the internet. It's not like there are not readily available resources for people with a genuine curiosity or interest.

 

[Mount Asclepius]

I think you are wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with everything proposed in the post above.

Most who the “woke” crowd deems as “unenlightened” do not actually deny the existence of history and know why certain groups are disadvantaged. They just disagree strongly that the current agenda of the left is helpful (in fact, things like affirmative action and pushing white privilege narratives are decidedly harmful to all of society). FYI I’m not white but strongly believe that.

So you think I’m wrong and instead believe the two sides both agree, but then explain why one side disagrees. Interesting.

 

[BoardingDoc]

This thread is now entirely unrelated to the original topic and has become a political / race theory / entirely not emergency medicine related topic.

Closing.