Time to work during PsyD Studies?

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aspiringpsych3384

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Hey guys!

I am applying to PsyD programs, and am interested in Uni of Hartford, Loyola Uni MD, The Wright Institute. I am from the Bay Area in Cali, but am considering schools on the east coast because Uni of Hartford looks a lot cheaper with good stats, along with Loyola.

My only concern is that I won't have enough time to work to be able to afford rent due to the rigor of the program.

I was thinking of working for about 6 months full time at home before enrolling in the program, so I could have some savings to pay for rent, food, etc.

I am wondering if I am better off living at home and commuting to The Wright Institute. I wouldn't have to worry about paying for rent either as I would be living with my parents, so I would have more time to study. However, it is a lot more expensive than Hartford and Loyola.

Any opinions on this? Thanks so much, I am so so confused!!
 
It will be really stressful to work part-time while enrolled and some programs may not even allow it (or require pre-approval). I guess somebody could pick up some Uber fares here and there but that's also going to cut into the down time that any full-time student will need.

Even if somebody was already independently wealthy or had a partner/family who can provide for living expenses to avoid significant loans for non-tuition expenses, think really really hard about the financial commitment of a self-pay PsyD versus whatever additional time and effort it will take to become competitive (or more competitive) for a funded doctorate.

Federal student loans accrue interest from the moment they are distributed so that $100,000 loan during graduate school will be close to $125,000 upon graduation. Plus, you'll likely be making in the $35-$50k range during a postdoc/pre-licensure year and whatever top-line salary you ultimately make as a licensed psychologist is gonna be WAY less than your gross once taxes and other withholdings are taken out and you begin to seriously pay back your loans.
 
Hey guys!

I am applying to PsyD programs, and am interested in Uni of Hartford, Loyola Uni MD, The Wright Institute. I am from the Bay Area in Cali, but am considering schools on the east coast because Uni of Hartford looks a lot cheaper with good stats, along with Loyola.

My only concern is that I won't have enough time to work to be able to afford rent due to the rigor of the program.

I was thinking of working for about 6 months full time at home before enrolling in the program, so I could have some savings to pay for rent, food, etc.

I am wondering if I am better off living at home and commuting to The Wright Institute. I wouldn't have to worry about paying for rent either as I would be living with my parents, so I would have more time to study. However, it is a lot more expensive than Hartford and Loyola.

Any opinions on this? Thanks so much, I am so so confused!!

I had a job for the first two years of my program to supplement my stipend. It was only 5 hours/week though with a great hourly rate. I was balancing that, research, and practica and it wasn't /terrible/, but I'd agree with AbnormalPsych that you should consider fully funded programs.
 
I worked about 20-25 hours a week paid in my lab by faculty research grants or through teaching (also tuition remission, insurance, benefits, etc). For about 2.5 years I also held outside jobs related to the field, CPS stuff, private practice assessment stuff, for like 5-10 hours per week. That almost killed me, but the money was nice. I applied for a lot of independent research grants as well from various organizations. It was nice supplemental research money, free travel, and some pocket change.

To sum, it can be done, but I would recommend you tie it to your program, or at least the field broadly, so you are still learning and gaining experience, rather than work a random retail job or something.
 
If money is a concern... may I ask why you are not considering the programs that pay YOU to attend?
I mean, I would love to! I just don't think I am competitive enough. I have a 3.36 undergrad GPA and only 9 months of research experience (I just distributed experiment to students so wasn't involved in the better stuff)
I do have a good amount of clinical experience, around two years or so when I live abroad in Melbourne, Australia (I'm from california)
 
I mean, I would love to! I just don't think I am competitive enough. I have a 3.36 undergrad GPA and only 9 months of research experience (I just distributed experiment to students so wasn't involved in the better stuff)
I do have a good amount of clinical experience, around two years or so when I live abroad in Melbourne, Australia (I'm from california)
Be prepared to get a whole lot of advice that can be summarized as, “Just do a terminal Master’s Counseling/Social Work program that results in your licensure to practice.”
 
I went to UHart. During first year, most people in my cohort had a part-time job. You have more time first year because you're not doing practicums yet. By 2nd and 3rd year, most students didn't have time to work but some managed to have part time jobs (5-10 hours a week). By fourth year, youre done with classes and have time to work part-time again.
 
1) Programs have their pick of students. You're competing against people who will smile, nod, and do whatever asked of them while dressed all preppy. Compare that to someone who look like he/she has been working all night, or someone who says, "I can't do that, I have to work that day". Program staff are going to favor the other person.

2) This isn't undergrad. Grad school is a wholly different beast. Let's look at the schedule. Say you're taking 12 hours per semester the first year, no practica. Rule of thumb is that one hour of classroom stuff creates about 2-3 hours of out of class work (e.g., reading much more than in undergrad, writing 10+ page papers several times per month, writing 10-15 page assessment reports because that's what our profession does, emails, etc.). So 12hrs of classroom +30ish hours of other school stuff= 42 hrs of work. But that work is not evenly distributed. Your professors might email you at 3pm and expect a response ASAP. You might have 3 ten page papers due on the same week, and then nothing substantial two weeks later. You might have to read 200+ pages of stuff in a few days, and then not much for a few days. And you know that mid terms and finals are not better. During the slow times, you could pull off working. During crunch time, it verges on no way. Now factor in the 99% chance that you will make a mistake in scheduling at least once. Then add in practica at 20hrs per week, and lab time of whatever. Then add in when you have to go present research to those stupid things that are not exactly conferences, but you have to wear a tie and stand next to a poster.

3) Risking work for grad school is a bad investment. You're investing approximately $150k in tuition to get to your career goals. Let's say rent is $1200/month (i.e., 14k/yr, or 72k over 5 years). This means you're risking $150k for $72k. That doesn't make any sense. If you go a bit bigger picture: You're investing a geographical move, a 6 figure tuition, a half a decade of work, your spare time, and delaying the start of your career. That's not something to be taken lightly.

4) Expensive programs are VERY risky. People do have success stories from them, but not all. Looking at Loyola, it would be approximately $176k in tuition debt alone, if one graduated in 5 years and the interest rate was 4.3%. Using a ten year repayment schedule, one would have a monthly student loan payment of about $1800/month. The (outdated) APA salary survey places modal incomes between $80-100k.

Assuming zero undergraduate debt and zero other debts including car payment, if the person made the lower end of income the MAXIMUM house they could afford would be approximately $101k. Using the higher income estimate, the maximum purchase price for a home would be approximately $200k. The median home price in the USA is around $250k. Want to put your kid in daycare, buy a new car at any point in that decade, or have some medical bills, and it gets a lot harder. Marry well, and maybe not so much.

OR you could hustle to make more than the modal incomes, refinance through places like sofi, live lean for a few years, learn about other student loan repayment options, etc.

5) That being said, I worked in grad school and during internship. The huge caveats are that I have an insane work ethic that verges on self destructive, and that I had some non-traditional opportunities from my previous career which allowed some low hour/relatively high paying consulting work. There were some challenges in shifting between the style of writings, style of dress, phone calls, emails, and (rare) travel that each setting required. I'm pretty sure my PI knew that I was doing other work in the lab, but was happy to ignore it so long as I produced.

In internship, I was allowed to do four 10 hour days. On my day off, I worked for a PP that needed psychometrician and research work. That transitioned into adding Saturdays psychometrician work at a hospital. If you look at the hours, that's ~40hrs at internship, another ~4 hours in roundtrip commute for internship, guessing ~2hrs of emails and administration work per week, ~10 hours in PP work, and ~10 hours in inpatient work if everything went according to plan. Total is 66hrs worked per week, without including internship reading, studying for the EPPP, applying for licensure, or looking for a post doc. That is when I learned that I can work 13 days in a row, but not 14 days.
 
I attended a non-funded program and took federal loans to cover tuition, but not for living expenses. My annual budget was $30,000 excluding an additional $1,000 for a yearly vacation and separated funds for any emergencies. I was able to pay my rent, make car payments on time, take yoga classes, go out with friends, and socialize on that budget with structure, close self-monitoring, and self-discipline. For the first two years, I did not work officially. We started practicum during our first year. Scheduling wise, it was impossible. However, I had some non-traditional gigs with good hourly rates from my professional network and made a total of $7,000 from contract projects that required no more than 80 hours of remote work. From the third year and on, I worked at a psychiatric hospital and a residential rehabilitation facility. One facility paid better than the other and I picked shifts that were compatible with my school schedule. I also had another opportunity for a translation project that paid $90 an hour, which I could work from home on my computer whenever I had the time. My bi-weekly paycheck from the psychiatric hospital and the residential care (owned and operated by the same corporation) was about $800 for working two 8-hour shifts a week. I budgeted my time as mindfully as my finances. Needless to say, I had limited social life from the third year on and became very stingy with my time with friends.
 
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We required program approval for any outside work, and, AFAIK, it was never granted (at least in the first 3-4 years). We were, however, paid for RA or TA work for 20 hours per week during the first year or two, with a paid practica (20 hours per week) in 3-4th + years. Everything we did was expected to be in support of our education and future licensure as a psychologist. I remember things being pretty busy, with classes (whole weekends dedicated to just doing stats homework!), research team, clinical team, RA/TA, thesis design, colloquia, and walking from grad student parking lot to psych building (it was pretty far away)! No time for a consistent outside work schedule, even if permitted.
 
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