To Gavin with love

[J2AZ]

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Gavin,

I know your essay service has been an issue before and I thought I read that you "resolved" it by purchasing banner space on this site. I never saw the banner so I asked a pre-dent who has used your services the name of your company. He told me and guess what, as luck would have it I saw your banner today. Speaking for myself and other members I feel you need to do one of two things. You can resign as moderator to the various forums and have no involvement in the running of this site or refrain for advertising b/c it is in direct violation of the "Conflict of Interest Statement" that is posted on SDN's first page. I posted it hear for others to read.

Conflict of Interest Statement

We accept advertising as a means to support the operating costs of the SDN. However, advertisers do not have any oversight or input on the content of SDN. Additionally, SDN has regular contact with many organizations within the medical education community. However, SDN serves as an independent site and has no direct relationship with any school, professional organization, or company, other than its parent organization, The Coastal Research Group a 501(c)(3) charitable educational organization.

I highlighted my concern.

 

[lnn2]

Ouch!
I hereby would like to nominate myself for the soon-to-be-opened MOD spot, should G man turn in his resignation! 🙂

 

[airvent]

J2AZ like you give a ****. Why are you nitpicking on Gavin? Its really not a big deal. Gavin may be providing a service for $, but its more as compensation for his time than a money making scheme. Now if Topscore or Kaplan were moderating the forum it would be a different story, but Gavin himself is just a dental student like the rest of us.

DOn't you have better things to do. You can sue McDonalds cuz your coffee was too hot or something

 

[Comet208]

That comment is like saying non of the doctors on here could practice on the users!! I'd pay Gavin regardless if i asked him to take his time and knowledge to edit my essay. Everyone in here is a moderator, but Gavin has more power.. and you need to learn to respect that. thats all.

i'd like to see where this "confllict of interest" has created any inconvenience for you OR intervened with the way the site runs.

 

[grant555]

Everyone in here is a moderator, but Gavin has more power.. and you need to learn to respect that. thats all.

i'd like to see where this "confllict of interest" has created any inconvenience for you OR intervened with the way the site runs.

Everyone on this website is not a moderator because not everyone can "bann" a member, move, or close posts. Just because he is the moderator, does that mean we should kiss his a**?

None of your statements address the issue in question, eventhough I agree with you on some of the logic.

Personally, I could care less what Gavin does in his personal time, but being the moderator doesn't excuse him from reproach on any issue and to even imply that is lunacy.

The conflict of interest is in black and white, and doesn't have to create any inconvenience to exist. In other words, the only way it wouldn't be a conflict of interest is if no fees were involved.

This all reminds me of the Tom DeLay issue and how the rules are bent to coincide with the party who is directly in power and seemingly in control; much in the same way a moderator is on this forum.

No one on this forum, moderator or not, is beyond mistake or criticism, and this point has been raised before and wasn't dealt with then either.

YOU and everyone else here know dam well what the original poster is saying and that it is a legitimate point, but it is disingenious to disregard the post because you don't like what it is saying. Take care and GOD bless.

 

[wammmy]

What the H is going on here? In what previous life did Gavin ever do anything to you? Let up man. Has he offended you or hurt you? Does it in someway make your life more difficult? The man is just trying to help out. And help he does. Do you know the inmeasurable amount of time effort and knowledge that Gavin has put into SDN. Give him a break. It sickens me everytime time you people come up with this garbage to support your own failings and short comings. Grow up and get over your problem with authority.

Goodboy..... J2AZ, you came up with something noone has ever thought of.
👎 👎 👎 👎 👎

 

[Ruprick]

J2AZ aren't you attending AZ dental school? Really scoring some points with your classmates, aren't you?

 

[Comet208]

J2AZ aren't you attending AZ dental school? Really scoring some points with your classmates, aren't you?

and we thought AZ had the most extensive interview process.

 

[BDS-DMD]

My God!

And I thought this was a Dental School forum. I never realized it had been replaced by Law School. 😛 😎

 

[zdaddy08]

Everyone on this website is not a moderator because not everyone can "bann" a member, move, or close posts. Just because he is the moderator, does that mean we should kiss his a**?

None of your statements address the issue in question, eventhough I agree with you on some of the logic.

Personally, I could care less what Gavin does in his personal time, but being the moderator doesn't excuse him from reproach on any issue and to even imply that is lunacy.

The conflict of interest is in black and white, and doesn't have to create any inconvenience to exist. In other words, the only way it wouldn't be a conflict of interest is if no fees were involved.

This all reminds me of the Tom DeLay issue and how the rules are bent to coincide with the party who is directly in power and seemingly in control; much in the same way a moderator is on this forum.

No one on this forum, moderator or not, is beyond mistake or criticism, and this point has been raised before and wasn't dealt with then either.

YOU and everyone else here know dam well what the original poster is saying and that it is a legitimate point, but it is disingenious to disregard the post because you don't like what it is saying. Take care and GOD bless.

whiney ass babies....what the hell?

 

[drkt]

I really think this is the craziest thread i have read yet. If Gavin was closing down threads that students had going about what they should say in their personal statement because they weren't choosing to use his service, then yes, he would be abusing his "power." But since his power is really very limited, does it really make you lose sleep at night? Or do you just have that much time on your hands this summer, to go looking up rules and regulations so that you can pick fights with someone on the internet. I mean seriously, I think Gavin must be a secret millionaire from his essay-reading service.

 

[J2AZ]

1) If you have rules they are there for a reason and should be followed by all members of the site even the moderators. Seems logical to me maybe its not.

2) I did not have to research anything. The rule cited is clearly posted on the first page that loads up when you come to this site. Given that it is one of the few passages of the member agreement that is highlighted on the 1st page illustrates its importance or the perceived importance by the moderators.

3) The rule is set up to avoid those affiliated with the site from profiting from their affiliation. In other words b/c Gavin is a moderator certain credibility is associated with his position and thus with him therefore increasing his revenue.

4) You say he is not doing it for profit then why the "we slashed prices" type advertising on his site. If it is done for no profit there is no room for slashing fees because then his work is done for a loss.

5) As stated by grant the common user of this site is not a moderator because we can not kick people off, close threads, choose who we allow to advertise on the site, etc.

6) Just because one is well liked or has dedicated a great deal of time to this site does not mean they get a free pass. You give him a free pass on this rule and you have to give every other member a free pass when they violate any of the umpteen other rules this site has (ie no one for any reason can be booted).

7) Equating my pointing out the hypocrisy of gavins behavior to picking a fight is just as crazy as saying arresting a priest for child molestation is unfair because he has done so much for the community. Turning a blind eye does not erase the violation.

8) All Gavin needs to do is stop violating the rules of this forum by stopping his advertising or step down as MOD. Its pretty straight forward and making it out to be more than it is simply immature. Im just waiting for them to do what any corrupt group with power does which is change the rules to suit their needs.

9) No I am not attending AZ in the fall. I was accepted but chose not to attend for reasons that are not relevant to this issue.

 

[airvent]

1) If you have rules they are there for a reason and should be followed by all members of the site even the moderators. Seems logical to me maybe its not.

What a freaking ninny you must be. If it really bugs you why post it on the forum here instead of reporting it to the admin.

 

[Dental08?09]

Its offical, all internet forums are for dorks! How could you complain over something so stupid.

Time for me to get back to reading good ol'e fashion books and newspapers.

 

[v&andy_yankee]

J2AZ,


1. reading essays and correcting them takes a hell lot of time. you can't expect someone to do it for FREE for someone they have never ever met--now multiply that by 100X and that's probably how many ppl email gavin their essays. i would think that the people who email him their essay have no problems (many times, they're greatful as it is hard to find a critiquer who has administrative background). i don't hear them complaining, so why the fuss from you?

2. if you aren't going to shut your trap, at least pay your dues, you leech. you're taking up bandwidth you're not paying for, and now you're wasting it by complaining. i hate to see negative posts aimed at SDN and the mods (as it really is a wonderful resource) and i especially hate the freeloaders who post negative stuff on a site that they don't help support.

 

[J2AZ]

What a freaking ninny you must be. If it really bugs you why post it on the forum here instead of reporting it to the admin.

Thanks for pointing out that resource. I thought Id give gavin pc of removing it himself. I appreciate your insight.

 

[tx oms]

Gavin,

I know your essay service has been an issue before and I thought I read that you "resolved" it by purchasing banner space on this site...

Well great, now everyone knows you're a loser. Look at me, my whole life revolves around identifying conflicts of interest on a web forum. Damn, what a pathetic whiny little bitch you are. I'll slam you like this cat.

 

[psiyung]

what a stupid thread

 

[mike3kgt]

1) If you have rules they are there for a reason and should be followed by all members of the site even the moderators. Seems logical to me maybe its not.

2) I did not have to research anything. The rule cited is clearly posted on the first page that loads up when you come to this site. Given that it is one of the few passages of the member agreement that is highlighted on the 1st page illustrates its importance or the perceived importance by the moderators.

3) The rule is set up to avoid those affiliated with the site from profiting from their affiliation. In other words b/c Gavin is a moderator certain credibility is associated with his position and thus with him therefore increasing his revenue.

4) You say he is not doing it for profit then why the "we slashed prices" type advertising on his site. If it is done for no profit there is no room for slashing fees because then his work is done for a loss.

5) As stated by grant the common user of this site is not a moderator because we can not kick people off, close threads, choose who we allow to advertise on the site, etc.

6) Just because one is well liked or has dedicated a great deal of time to this site does not mean they get a free pass. You give him a free pass on this rule and you have to give every other member a free pass when they violate any of the umpteen other rules this site has (ie no one for any reason can be booted).

7) Equating my pointing out the hypocrisy of gavins behavior to picking a fight is just as crazy as saying arresting a priest for child molestation is unfair because he has done so much for the community. Turning a blind eye does not erase the violation.

8) All Gavin needs to do is stop violating the rules of this forum by stopping his advertising or step down as MOD. Its pretty straight forward and making it out to be more than it is simply immature. Im just waiting for them to do what any corrupt group with power does which is change the rules to suit their needs.

9) No I am not attending AZ in the fall. I was accepted but chose not to attend for reasons that are not relevant to this issue.

You seem like the type that would either:
a. graduate from dental school, go to law school, and make a career out of suing dentists, or
b. be a real headache for the administration, your fellow students, or your future colleages; while ending up ostracizing yourself from all of the former.

BTW, Do you have a personal grudge against the man so you require venting or do you just enjoy picking fights?

-Mike

 

[J2AZ]

J2AZ,


1. reading essays and correcting them takes a hell lot of time. you can't expect someone to do it for FREE for someone they have never ever met--now multiply that by 100X and that's probably how many ppl email gavin their essays. i would think that the people who email him their essay have no problems (many times, they're greatful as it is hard to find a critiquer who has administrative background). i don't hear them complaining, so why the fuss from you?

2. if you aren't going to shut your trap, at least pay your dues, you leech. you're taking up bandwidth you're not paying for, and now you're wasting it by complaining. i hate to see negative posts aimed at SDN and the mods (as it really is a wonderful resource) and i especially hate the freeloaders who post negative stuff on a site that they don't help support.

1) I know it takes a ton of time. I never said he shouldnt do it or that pre-dents are not benefiting. It is a great service yet not proper given the fact his the MOD of many if not all of the pre-dent forums. Simple fact is if you dont want to abide by the rules you yourself set up then dont set them up in the first place. If do violate them dont be suprised if you get called out.

2) I am sorry I offended you by bringing up this subject. I am not complaining but rather asking a member/MOD to comply with the rules he himself enforces.

 

[J2AZ]

You seem like the type that would either:
a. graduate from dental school, go to law school, and make a career out of suing dentists, or
b. be a real headache for the administration, your fellow students, or your future colleages; while ending up ostracizing yourself from all of the former.

BTW, Do you have a personal grudge against the man so you require venting or do you just enjoy picking fights?

-Mike

Note #7 of my above post as it should answer your question.

 

[Generallee]

J2AZ,

I'm just curious to know what your intentions are? You are correct "legalistically" but what are your true intentions? Do you have beef with Gavin? Why bring up such an issue? This is an optional participation forum. You sound like an employee looking for ways to bring down the "mighty" corporation and starting a strike! Do you want us to strike or boycott SDN if he doesn't step down or discontinue to advertise? I think it was rather childish to bring up this accusation but, hey, some people are like that. Like I said, you are correct in what you said, but too legalistic for my taste.

 

[psiyung]

1) I know it takes a ton of time. I never said he shouldnt do it or that pre-dents are not benefiting. It is a great service yet not proper given the fact his the MOD of many if not all of the pre-dent forums. Simple fact is if you dont want to abide by the rules you yourself set up then dont set them up in the first place. If do violate them dont be suprised if you get called out.

2) I am sorry I offended you by bringing up this subject. I am not complaining but rather asking a member/MOD to comply with the rules he himself enforces.

Why the **** do you care about the "rules" of an anonymous internet forum?

 

[J2AZ]

J2AZ,

I'm just curious to know what your intentions are? You are correct "legalistically" but what are your true intentions? Do you have beef with Gavin? Why bring up such an issue? This is an optional participation forum. You sound like an employee looking for ways to bring down the "mighty" corporation and starting a strike! Do you want us to strike or boycott SDN if he doesn't step down or discontinue to advertise? I think it was rather childish to bring up this accusation but, hey, some people are like that. Like I said, you are correct in what you said, but too legalistic for my taste.

I have no beef with the guy. It sprgrover or any of the other MOD's had done this I would still bring up the issue. My only objective is to erase the double standard that exists. Why should those enforcing the rules be allowed to violate them? Should the SEC be allowed to participate in insider trading?
Should cops be allowed to break the laws they enforce? If the MOD's are policing us then who is policing the MOD's?

 

[J2AZ]

Why the **** do you care about the "rules" of an anonymous internet forum?

For the very reason you feel it necessary to use **** rather than type the word you want to use. If I had it my way Gavin would be allowed to advertise and would be allowed to serve as MOD and you would be allowed to type any inflammatory bs your desire. However, as it stands now Gavin is MOD, has the right to violate the rules agreement by advertising on this site, while you can not tell me what you truly think of me because if you do you are scared you will be placed on double secret probation or banned.

Simple point is if you dont want to abide by the rules dont have them.

 

[airvent]

Well, I don't think this forum is governed by any laws that requires them to follow their own rules. They can make and break what ever rules they like. You can break them too and then be banned on whatever whim the MODs have. Of course it will likey kill the forum. However it is completely up to you if you want to participate.

 

[grant555]

whiney ass babies....what the hell?

Whiney? All the pissing and moaning that goes on here whenever someone doesn't get into the school they want to? That's a joke.

J2AZ has absolutely nothing to apologize for given all the sh** that goes on in these threads, and now people are offended and dismayed?

He can voice his opinion just like anyone else. In reality, who cares who helps who with their personal statements? The responses are more overreactions than anything. Just deal with the issue and move on. Take care and GOD bless.

 

[flat4]

J2AZ=

 

[rahmed]

1) I know it takes a ton of time. I never said he shouldnt do it or that pre-dents are not benefiting. It is a great service yet not proper given the fact his the MOD of many if not all of the pre-dent forums. Simple fact is if you dont want to abide by the rules you yourself set up then dont set them up in the first place. If do violate them dont be suprised if you get called out.

2) I am sorry I offended you by bringing up this subject. I am not complaining but rather asking a member/MOD to comply with the rules he himself enforces.

By your own admission you are not even a dental student, yet!!! May be there is still time for you to change future career. I might hire you as my lawyer in years to come, but certainly I don't need you as my colleague. Don't you have better things to do? Come on dental school will be tough so make 'good' use of all the free times you have now! Spread the word of love and peace..........

rahmed

 

[kato999]

I think this just may have better resolved with a PM.

 

[DcS]

The ironic part is that this thread will get him more advertising than any banner would have. Way to go genius.

 

[DrTacoElf]

This thread is lame, I thought gavin had a great idea and personally I think he should be able to have it in his signature line as well without issue. What does it matter people, its not like your in competition with him 🙄

 

[g3k]

The ironic part is that this thread will get him more advertising than any banner would have. Way to go genius.

That is exactly what I thought 🙂!!!!

 

[J2AZ]

The ironic part is that this thread will get him more advertising than any banner would have. Way to go genius.

Obviously you think I was unaware of that but I wasnt. I dont care how many pre-dents use his service. Ill endorse it right now for anyone reading this. From what Ive heard Gavin does a great job and turns decent essays into polished works of literary art. Go Gavin. However, formal advertising of a for profit service administered by a company/organization he owns given his position is not allowed on this site.

@everyone
I dont see why this has become such a big deal. You all are fighting for the right of one member to violate the rules of the forum. If you feel so strongly please lobby to change the rule. Until then he needs to remove his banner advertisment. Turning this thread into a bitch session in which I am the focus of your incesent whining and complaints does nothing to resolve the issue at hand. However, I do find your comments and inability to emotionally seperate your self from the issue fairly entertaining.

 

[ItsGavinC]

Dear J2AZ,

SDN is a not-profit organization, but in order to supply the servers that the site runs on, some money must be generated. Nobody affiliated with SDN makes any income off site.

As you click from forum to forum you will notice numerous advertisers, each of which has payed for advertising space on SDN. Because of these advertisers, along with SDN donors, the site is able to be maintained.

Student-run businesses are actually given a discount on SDN advertising. If you are interested you may check out the following link: http://www.studentdoctor.net/corporate/media.asp

My paid advertising is in no way a conflict of interests. I get no special favors on SDN, and paid the same amounts that any other advertiser would.

If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me. I'm always happy to listen to a guest. Thanks.