To include Georgetown SMP on application without degree or not

[aries116]

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Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad with 2 Cs, and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

 

[SN12357]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad, with 2 Cs in and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

Worth it? You are required to list all courses you have taken. You don't have a choice.

 

[sector9]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad, with 2 Cs in and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

This is actually a very easy question. You are required to list all classes and institutions attended so there really isn't a dilemma.

 

[Mt Kilimanjaro]

When entering coursework, you must include information and corresponding grades for every course in which you have ever enrolled at any U.S., U.S. Territorial, or Canadian post-secondary institution, regardless of whether credit was earned. This includes, but is not limited to withdrawals, repeats, failures, incompletes, and future coursework. Courses removed from your transcripts or GPA as a result of academic bankruptcy, forgiveness, or similar institutional policies must also be included.

 

[Ismet]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad with 2 Cs, and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

Getting a 2.91 in an SMP, which is below the threshold to graduate, is a significant improvement from undergrad? Your sGPA went down because of the SMP, so it actually hurts your chances. Like others said, you have to list the courses.

 

[khrisskhoras]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad with 2 Cs, and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

u were better off not doing the SMP. And i smell a troll here. Someone with C's in orgo and bio getting a 12 on mcat BS? doesn't sound real.

 

[gettheleadout]

Honestly if you (or anyone) got a 2.91 in an SMP you're not getting into medical school, and you've probably killed your chances forever; the whole point of an SMP is to prove you can handle the rigor of med school coursework despite a mediocre undergrad GPA. With a mediocre SMP GPA you've basically given adcoms confirmation that you can't handle it.

 

[notbobtrustme]

Not completing an SMP or doing poorly is a kiss of death for med school. You did both. You have a huge hole to climb out of that simply may not be possible

 

[Redpancreas]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad with 2 Cs, and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

You didn't even meet the passing requirements! I know this response is very harsh, but I just want to convey to you the inevitable truth that no one will have sympathy (better to not have false hope and work towards improvement). First of all, no one's going to do a careful analysis and super-set your grades from college to an incomparable SMP program to realize to fixed a weakness. For all we know,, Georgetown's bio was easier than your undergrad's. If Georgetown's SMP was really that hard, the GPA standards would be lower to pass. You made a mistake, we don't need a fellow SMPer to confirm, and you need to stop looking for the bright-side to this situation. Get ready for a rough ride from here on forth. Your question, instead, should be what can you do to climb out of this mess if that's possible. Also, as two SDN mods have said, reporting grades is inevitable. If you leave them out, I'll bet my application that if a school finds them, it will lead to a rejection if not a permanent blemish/IA.

 

[aries116]

Well it's the truth. I took the Bio courses my freshman year of undergrad, and the SMP a year after I graduated school. About 6 years different, and my MCAT improved substantially.Thank you for your reply, though.

 

[music2doc]

Long story short: I was a student in the Georgetown SMP this past year. My overall GPA is a 3.33 with a 3.1 sGPA, majoring in physics, and a 35 (11V, 12P, 12B) on the MCAT. A 3.0 cumulative GPA in the SMP (34 credits) was required to confer the degree. I ended the program with a 2.91 GPA (having received 2 Cs worth a total of 9 credits), with the rest of my grades in the med/grad classes being Bs or As. Biology was my weakest in undergrad with 2 Cs, and 1 C in Orgo.

Is it worth it to list the SMP and the courses taken on my AMCAS without conferral of the degree? I still believe it to show a significant improvement from my undergrad, with a strong trend of improvement throughout the year in upper level bio/med classes. Or, is it best to leave it off entirely (with no mention or LORs from it)?

I kindly request only those who are aware of the Georgetown SMP program and what it entails respond, as it is generally considered a bit more intensive than standard graduate curriculums (aka the majority of students are not graduating with 3.8-4.0 GPAs)

Thank you for reading and so much for any help.

Sorry, dude, you're toast. You took a risk with the SMP. As others have stated, you don't have any choice but to list that coursework and it basically communicates to any admissions officer that you would be an incredible risk with little added return. You essentially failed out of the GT SMP. That tells programs that you won't make it in medical school either. You're best off looking into something else at this point, probably something that does not require further high-level academics and an application process since this is the sort of stigma that will stay with you in the academic world.

 

[Morsetlis]

Honestly if you (or anyone) got a 2.91 in an SMP you're not getting into medical school, and you've probably killed your chances forever; the whole point of an SMP is to prove you can handle the rigor of med school coursework despite a mediocre undergrad GPA. With a mediocre SMP GPA you've basically given adcoms confirmation that you can't handle it.

There's always DO and the Caribbean beaches

J/k.

 

[Redpancreas]

Hey everyone, not OP but has this guy seriously blown his chances to be a physician? What alternate routes can he take going forward from here. I find a hard time believing that he's permanently blown all his chances.

 

[notbobtrustme]

Hey everyone, not OP but has this guy seriously blown his chances to be a physician? What alternate routes can he take going forward from here. I find a hard time believing that he's permanently blown all his chances.

MD is dead and gone after that SMP disaster.

DO might be dead and gone as well. Doing poorly in an SMP is the kiss of death. It basically proves that you can't handle med school and few adcoms will take a risk on such a student.

 

[waterpolo480586]

Hey I am a Gtown med student and I realize that the SMP program is really intense, basically the first year of medical school curved against med students. With a 2.91 in the program does that mean that you mainly got Passes with 1 or 2 low passes, or did you fail any courses. While your SMP GPA does not help your MCAT score of 35 is impressive particularly if it is a new score taken after your SMP year showing that you did understand a lot of the material. If you want to be a doctor I think it would be possible if you took a year of upper level science courses and got A's in them to boost your GPA.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Honestly if you (or anyone) got a 2.91 in an SMP you're not getting into medical school, and you've probably killed your chances forever; the whole point of an SMP is to prove you can handle the rigor of med school coursework despite a mediocre undergrad GPA. With a mediocre SMP GPA you've basically given adcoms confirmation that you can't handle it.

I agree. The 2.91 SMP grade means 0% into any allopathic program. Hell, I would be surprised if an Osteopathic program takes him since he couldn't even get the degree.

Hey I am a Gtown med student and I realize that the SMP program is really intense, basically the first year of medical school curved against med students. With a 2.91 in the program does that mean that you mainly got Passes with 1 or 2 low passes, or did you fail any courses. While your SMP GPA does not help your MCAT score of 35 is impressive particularly if it is a new score taken after your SMP year showing that you did understand a lot of the material. If you want to be a doctor I think it would be possible if you took a year of upper level science courses and got A's in them to boost your GPA.

This is so naive.

 

[music2doc]

Hey everyone, not OP but has this guy seriously blown his chances to be a physician? What alternate routes can he take going forward from here. I find a hard time believing that he's permanently blown all his chances.

Doing poorly enough to not complete an SMP -- in other words basically failing out -- is essentially equivalent to failing out of medical school. To put that statement in context, most medical schools have published explicit policies barring applications from anyone who has previously failed out of a medical school regardless of the reason for the failure. In other words, the OP has de facto excluded him/herself from consideration at any US medical school.

Hey I am a Gtown med student and I realize that the SMP program is really intense, basically the first year of medical school curved against med students. With a 2.91 in the program does that mean that you mainly got Passes with 1 or 2 low passes, or did you fail any courses. While your SMP GPA does not help your MCAT score of 35 is impressive particularly if it is a new score taken after your SMP year showing that you did understand a lot of the material. If you want to be a doctor I think it would be possible if you took a year of upper level science courses and got A's in them to boost your GPA.

While that is intense, it is essentially just like every other SMP program -- most are at medical schools and curved against med students. That is exactly what you and I are experiencing as medical students. Yeah, it's tough, but the idea is to identify outstanding people who would have been missed on a "first pass" by Admissions because of a weak academic background. The purpose isn't to find more mediocre applicants when every school in the country already has an incredible glut of stellar ones.

As for your second statement, I really don't understand how you could come to that conclusion. OP's year taking first year courses with medical students is by definition more predictive of his/her potential for success in those very same courses as a medical student. It is even more predictive than the MCAT could be. That is why SMPs are valuable. By putting someone in the position of a medical student for a few months, you are essentially testing them out before accepting them. It's a probationary period. Every other measure of a medical school applicant is an attempt to predict, in essence, how someone would do if s/he were in the position the OP was at GT's SMP because that reflects how s/he will do as an actual medical student (which is actually what they want to know).

 

[Redpancreas]

Doing poorly enough to not complete an SMP -- in other words basically failing out -- is essentially equivalent to failing out of medical school. To put that statement in context, most medical schools have published explicit policies barring applications from anyone who has previously failed out of a medical school regardless of the reason for the failure. In other words, the OP has de facto excluded him/herself from consideration at any US medical school.

Oh wow, didnt know SMPs were this risky, glad I worked hard to attain a good undergrad GPA.

 

[Aerus]

Hey I am a Gtown med student and I realize that the SMP program is really intense, basically the first year of medical school curved against med students. With a 2.91 in the program does that mean that you mainly got Passes with 1 or 2 low passes, or did you fail any courses. While your SMP GPA does not help your MCAT score of 35 is impressive particularly if it is a new score taken after your SMP year showing that you did understand a lot of the material. If you want to be a doctor I think it would be possible if you took a year of upper level science courses and got A's in them to boost your GPA.

Which means this person is just a below average Joe who may or may not be able to pass med school classes. Med Schools prefer to fill their classes with the best they can get, not scrape the bottom of the barrel.

 

[onsight]

Has anyone completed Georgetowns smp with a low gpa..3.0-3.2 and continued on to med school?

 

[Jepstein30]

Why not just answer the question and keep your unwanted and unproductive opinion to yourself. And how does not securing a degree by .09 have any bearing on the outcome, getting a 3.00 and the degree would have made a difference?

No-one said that .09 is the difference-maker. Even with a degree and a 3.00, it would have been tough because he didn't do particularly well in the SMP.

Even with the degree.. you're still talking about barely passing. Ask yourself why medical schools will want to accept a student who has shown he can barely pass medical school classes?

The answer to the OP's question is pretty damn simple though. He 100% has to send his transcripts from the SMP to AMCAS. Failing to do so will likely get him kicked out of his school post-acceptance when they check central databases and realize that he attended a school that's not listed on his AMCAS.

 

[notbobtrustme]

Hey I am a Gtown med student and I realize that the SMP program is really intense, basically the first year of medical school curved against med students. With a 2.91 in the program does that mean that you mainly got Passes with 1 or 2 low passes, or did you fail any courses. While your SMP GPA does not help your MCAT score of 35 is impressive particularly if it is a new score taken after your SMP year showing that you did understand a lot of the material. If you want to be a doctor I think it would be possible if you took a year of upper level science courses and got A's in them to boost your GPA.

You're still taking a lighter load than medical students, so there's no excuse to do poorly in the eyes of adcoms.

 

[onsight]

I agree. The 2.91 SMP grade means 0% into any allopathic program. Hell, I would be surprised if an Osteopathic program takes him since he couldn't even get the degree.


This is so naive.

Were you at all surprised when 'generator' was accepted to a DO school with a "terrible SMP GPA" that you acknowledged on 6/25/13, and who are you to comment on what is naive.

 

[Ismet]

Were you at all surprised when 'generator' was accepted to a DO school with a "terrible SMP GPA" that you acknowledged on 6/25/13, and who are you to comment on what is naive.

This guy means business.

 

[common man]

It's too easy to play devil's advocate in this process.

OP, don't be discouraged. Apply broadly and there will be some adcoms who realize the rigor of Georgetown's SMP program. It's more than "just a bit more intensive."

 

[music2doc]

It's too easy to play devil's advocate in this process.

OP, don't be discouraged. Apply broadly and there will be some adcoms who realize the rigor of Georgetown's SMP program. It's more than "just a bit more intensive."

That advice lacks commonsense. Have you any understanding of the admissions process whatsoever? Regardless of "how intensive" [sic] the program is, it is not more intense than medical school. The OP essentially failed out of the program. That will be seen as proof that the OP would not, in all likelihood, complete the first two years of medical school. The 35 MCAT is good and all, but it's still a pretty crappy predictor of performance on Step 1 compared with class performance. The OP's sh*tty performance indicates that his/her MCAT score is most likely a fluke and that the low UG GPA is much more trustworthy.

It's not that anyone here wants to tear down the OP, but the fact of the matter is that to apply at this point -- and even moreso "broadly" (i.e., more expensively) -- would be a waste of money. Just straight up playing the lottery with that money would probably reap better returns per-dollar.

 

[common man]

i'll wager that the OP will get accepted to a US DO school if he or she has genuine interest in osteopathic medicine and conveys this interest by earning a stellar DO letter from a physician who practices osteopathic manipulation (OMM). why bicker - let the results in the following cycles decide! I won't say the same for MD schools because the whole point of the SMP was to bump his MD chances. that didn't happen. that's OK, life moves on. I have met people who have performed mediocre in SMPs and gotten accepted to US medical school. one guy had a very good explanation - the particular school where he did the SMP did not suit his learning style. when he went to his actual medical school, he did well. schools have different environments - that's why schools often ask why us? the grading schemes, learning styles, teaching, etc. can make a big difference. the Georgetown environment / culture is not right for everyone. some adcoms can understand this. if I were the OP, I would not dwell on the SMP performance. if someone asks just briefly mention why he / she will be a better fit at that school. he / she should direct his energies to learning about schools that are a better match and working on convincing them of his / her genuine interest. a 2.91 is not so bad that it definitively indicates he / she can't do well at another school that fits better. the boards are more important than preclinical grades anyway. i'm not going to drag this point but that's what I know from empirical evidence - knowing people who got into medical school even after mediocre performances in SMPs. I don't recommend it but it does happen and some still get into med school. lucky for the OP, he / she has some excellent credentials even without the SMP. that's why there's hope, even after the mediocre SMP performance.

 

[aries116]

I want to thank all who replied. I simply did not know it was required by AMCAS to list.

In response to music2doc: I am quite surprised at the number of times you have tried to argue your point on this thread. While I respect your opinion, I do not respect you trying to argue it on the behalf of others who are offering words of encouragement. I do not consider myself to have “failed out of the SMP”; rather I consider those who were dismissed from the program and “failed out of the SMP” to have done so. With 2 C’s and all B’s/A’s in Georgetown medical classes weighted against the M1 average, I simply do not feel this is the case. I had some of my own personal struggles/circumstances that have been documented during the SMP year on my AMCAS and through LOR. While I don’t think it’s a strong point of my application, I am confident in my chances of getting into at least a DO (with a post-SMP 35 MCAT), and still receiving interviews to some allopathic schools related to the program.

The point is this: You know very little about me. It is quite surprising how adamantly you have gone out of your way to dismiss an individual whom you know nothing of in regards to life experiences, clinical experiences, work, extracurriculars, etc.

This tells me something about your character. After simply ‘googling’ your name, viewing your YouTube channel, and seeing the kind of replies you have left towards others on such a medium, I can only expect a negative response.

Not trying to start a flame war- I had no intention of even replying to this thread again, but I’m just a little embarrassed at some of the immaturity going on here.

I won’t reply further, so please, get your kicks off and get that post-count >2800. I’ll feed the troll (/hypocrite101 but I couldn't resist... haha).

Again, thanks to everyone else for the information/your opinions regarding the opening post.
Best.

 

[Sephiroth]

I want to thank all who replied. I simply did not know it was required by AMCAS to list.

In response to music2doc: I am quite surprised at the number of times you have tried to argue your point on this thread. While I respect your opinion, I do not respect you trying to argue it on the behalf of others who are offering words of encouragement. I do not consider myself to have “failed out of the SMP”; rather I consider those who were dismissed from the program and “failed out of the SMP” to have done so. With 2 C’s and all B’s/A’s in Georgetown medical classes weighted against the M1 average, I simply do not feel this is the case. I had some of my own personal struggles/circumstances that have been documented during the SMP year on my AMCAS and through LOR. While I don’t think it’s a strong point of my application, I am confident in my chances of getting into at least a DO (with a post-SMP 35 MCAT), and still receiving interviews to some allopathic schools related to the program.

The point is this: You know very little about me. It is quite surprising how adamantly you have gone out of your way to dismiss an individual whom you know nothing of in regards to life experiences, clinical experiences, work, extracurriculars, etc.

This tells me something about your character. After simply ‘googling’ your name, viewing your YouTube channel, and seeing the kind of replies you have left towards others on such a medium, I can only expect a negative response.

Not trying to start a flame war- I had no intention of even replying to this thread again, but I’m just a little embarrassed at some of the immaturity going on here.

I won’t reply further, so please, get your kicks off and get that post-count >2800. I’ll feed the troll (/hypocrite101 but I couldn't resist... haha).

Again, thanks to everyone else for the information/your opinions regarding the opening post.
Best.

Math question: how does "2 C’s and all B’s/A’s" come out to a sub-3 GPA? If that's the case, then it would only take 2 A's to balance out the 2 C's, and the rest B's would lead to a 3.0. The only possibilities I can come up with at the moment are either the "A's" were in fact 1 A, or the C's were in much larger credit courses. But the way you phrased it makes it sound like there were a good number of A's (i.e. more than 2).

 

[IslandStyle808]

I want to thank all who replied. I simply did not know it was required by AMCAS to list.

In response to music2doc: I am quite surprised at the number of times you have tried to argue your point on this thread. While I respect your opinion, I do not respect you trying to argue it on the behalf of others who are offering words of encouragement. I do not consider myself to have "failed out of the SMP"; rather I consider those who were dismissed from the program and "failed out of the SMP" to have done so. With 2 C's and all B's/A's in Georgetown medical classes weighted against the M1 average, I simply do not feel this is the case. I had some of my own personal struggles/circumstances that have been documented during the SMP year on my AMCAS and through LOR. While I don't think it's a strong point of my application, I am confident in my chances of getting into at least a DO (with a post-SMP 35 MCAT), and still receiving interviews to some allopathic schools related to the program.

The point is this: You know very little about me. It is quite surprising how adamantly you have gone out of your way to dismiss an individual whom you know nothing of in regards to life experiences, clinical experiences, work, extracurriculars, etc.

This tells me something about your character. After simply ‘googling' your name, viewing your YouTube channel, and seeing the kind of replies you have left towards others on such a medium, I can only expect a negative response.

Not trying to start a flame war- I had no intention of even replying to this thread again, but I'm just a little embarrassed at some of the immaturity going on here.

I won't reply further, so please, get your kicks off and get that post-count >2800. I'll feed the troll (/hypocrite101 but I couldn't resist... haha).

Again, thanks to everyone else for the information/your opinions regarding the opening post.
Best.

If you still want to take the dive, then here is a thread that may interest you.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=935940

This person did bad in an SMP but did better in her later studies and then got into a DO school. I know it is anecdotal but it was something I remember from a while back that may help. I am not going to say do or not do it the choice is clearly yours.

 

[music2doc]

I want to thank all who replied. I simply did not know it was required by AMCAS to list.

In response to music2doc: I am quite surprised at the number of times you have tried to argue your point on this thread. While I respect your opinion, I do not respect you trying to argue it on the behalf of others who are offering words of encouragement. I do not consider myself to have “failed out of the SMP”; rather I consider those who were dismissed from the program and “failed out of the SMP” to have done so. With 2 C’s and all B’s/A’s in Georgetown medical classes weighted against the M1 average, I simply do not feel this is the case. I had some of my own personal struggles/circumstances that have been documented during the SMP year on my AMCAS and through LOR. While I don’t think it’s a strong point of my application, I am confident in my chances of getting into at least a DO (with a post-SMP 35 MCAT), and still receiving interviews to some allopathic schools related to the program.

The point is this: You know very little about me. It is quite surprising how adamantly you have gone out of your way to dismiss an individual whom you know nothing of in regards to life experiences, clinical experiences, work, extracurriculars, etc.

This tells me something about your character. After simply ‘googling’ your name, viewing your YouTube channel, and seeing the kind of replies you have left towards others on such a medium, I can only expect a negative response.

Not trying to start a flame war- I had no intention of even replying to this thread again, but I’m just a little embarrassed at some of the immaturity going on here.

I won’t reply further, so please, get your kicks off and get that post-count >2800. I’ll feed the troll (/hypocrite101 but I couldn't resist... haha).

Again, thanks to everyone else for the information/your opinions regarding the opening post.
Best.

Umm... my youtube channel? Sorry, I don't have a youtube channel. As for why I might "argue" my point; it's that I don't think it's appropriate for people to give you false hope that is going to cost you money. You're in a vulnerable and probably desperate position and them offering you false hope is only going to make any decisions harder for you. Regardless, good luck if you do decide to apply. I hope it goes well for you. Maybe a DO school will give you consideration. You never know. I simply don't think people who clearly have not been through the entire process should be giving misleading advice. That is all. Have a good day, sir/madam.

 

[milkphlegm]

u were better off not doing the SMP. And i smell a troll here. Someone with C's in orgo and bio getting a 12 on mcat BS? doesn't sound real.

I got a C+ and B- in each semester of Organic and got a 12 in Biological Sciences. Super real!

 

[TriagePreMed]

Were you at all surprised when 'generator' was accepted to a DO school with a "terrible SMP GPA" that you acknowledged on 6/25/13, and who are you to comment on what is naive.

I have no clue who generator is or what his/her GPA/SMP/etc. was and if I was commenting in relation to MD, DO or both. If you can link me, I'd be happy to comment on it.

It is naive to think that upper division work will be seen as overcoming an SMP.