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Can someone please start/come up with a list.

I am an MSIII (for one more week) and I am SURE I'm not ready yet...I am still enjoying the joy of being a "student"-being able to get away with all sorts of (lifestyle) stuff because I am a "student". What will happen to me when I graduate?:scared:

Is something wrong with wanting to leave early, even if it's to get to my dance class on time? or meet some friends for drinks at 6pm in the city?
What's wrong with wanting to work "summer hours" after memorial day (ya know, leave early at 3pm on Fridays).

Which residency will allow me to get up at 8am? or gives me more than ONE day off per week? is there a part-time/decelerated residency program?

I'm not ready to give up my freedom to enter into the real world....

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u pretty much are describing half of the residents i worked with this year, instead...say, wake up at 10 am every day, leave 3 hours early on call night, take 4 hour lunches, and take 3 days off a week, not including weekends.
 
Can someone please start/come up with a list.

I am an MSIII (for one more week) and I am SURE I'm not ready yet...I am still enjoying the joy of being a "student"-being able to get away with all sorts of (lifestyle) stuff because I am a "student". What will happen to me when I graduate?:scared:

Is something wrong with wanting to leave early, even if it's to get to my dance class on time? or meet some friends for drinks at 6pm in the city?
What's wrong with wanting to work "summer hours" after memorial day (ya know, leave early at 3pm on Fridays).

Which residency will allow me to get up at 8am? or gives me more than ONE day off per week? is there a part-time/decelerated residency program?

I'm not ready to give up my freedom to enter into the real world....


I doubt anyone is completely ready. The transition from studying to working may not seem much (depending on how much your school allows you to do) but the huge aspect which you will face and I think you better start learning will be taking responsibility. Some people equate obtaining your license as a "License to kill."

Funny thing is that I actually prefer working..plus you get paid so that helps😉

But anyway, enjoy your student life, there's nothing wrong about wanting to go back early, time become more precious as you go along. Wait till you reach obgyn or surg :laugh:

Fortunately, there is a "residency" program which does allow you to wake up later, it's with a medical missionary, for example Doctors Without Borders. You probably can wake up pretty late, go back early, downside to it would be occasionally you would be dodging landmines and bombs😳
 
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I doubt you can wake up late and go "home" early with MSF. They send you to places filled with sick and/or injured people. The few docs I know that have done this worked 16-18 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week. Perhaps they were just in bad areas though.

Also, I'm pretty sure you have to be board eligible/board certified to participate.
 
I don't mind working or doing my job in the hospital, I just want to be able to leave when I want to (and maybe not show up so early in the morning). A part of me would rather come in late, and stay late than come in early AND STAY (still) LATE. I am just not a morning person.

Part of it is also the fear that once I start residency I may decide that I don't like the field I chose...😱 4th year is soo frightening :scared:

arthrodisiac,
Which residents are these? What field?

I think my problem is that I am at the end of my 3rd year, senoritis is kicking into gear (bigtime) and I can't imagine having to get up at 5am(unless it's the annual sale at Macys 😛 ).
 
Can someone please start/come up with a list.

10 Ways To Tell You Are Not Ready To Start Residency

10. Your experiences being "on-call" have consisted of staying until 10pm when the resident tells you to go home because you look tired

9. You write orders in the chart but don't sign them...instead you carry the half open chart around the nurses station asking everyone "is this right? can we do this?"

8. All you know about ventilators is that they look complicated and make too much noise

7. You write "APAP 325mg IV prn fever >101.0"

6. Every ABG you draw is way too dark

5. You sweat profusely during morning report when an attending asks you to read a chest film for the group (air is black, right?)

4. You sweat profusely during morning report when as attending asks you to read an EKG for the group (is that a Q wave?)

3. You still dont think you have seen a real Q wave

2. During a code youre the one doing compressions instead of commanding "I cant see the monitor...did we give epi?...ok, hold compressions...whats our time?"

And the number one reason you are not ready for residency...

1. When someone bumps in to you, you instinctively try to catch your PDA before your coffee
 
10 Ways To Tell You Are Not Ready To Start Residency

In honor of Kimberli (and borrowing from this list) - my top 10 ways of knowing you're not ready to be an attending.

10. When you think that post-call you get to go home at 2 pm.
9. When you know where the charts ARE to write orders in them.
8. When you reach for the blood gas report before anyone else sees it.
7. When you write prn orders so no one gets called at night.
6. When you still draw ABG's.
5. When you are worried about what happens at morning report.
4. When you feel sorry for the intern who is being grilled during morning report.
3. When you actually look at an EKG.
2. When you are in the room during a code.
1. When someone bumps into you. Period.

And my bonus ones…

- When you look at a chest X-ray to see if the central line is in the correct spot.
- When you ever put on gloves on the wards or in the ICUs.
 
In honor of Kimberli (and borrowing from this list) - my top 10 ways of knowing you're not ready to be an attending.

10. When you think that post-call you get to go home at 2 pm.
9. When you know where the charts ARE to write orders in them.
8. When you reach for the blood gas report before anyone else sees it.
7. When you write prn orders so no one gets called at night.
6. When you still draw ABG's.
5. When you are worried about what happens at morning report.
4. When you feel sorry for the intern who is being grilled during morning report.
3. When you actually look at an EKG.
2. When you are in the room during a code.
1. When someone bumps into you. Period.

And my bonus ones…

- When you look at a chest X-ray to see if the central line is in the correct spot.
- When you ever put on gloves on the wards or in the ICUs.

Thanks! It looks like I've got some work to do, although I am getting better about letting the residents enter the orders! 😀

(I had some attendings in residency who actually knew how to use the electronic ordering system, would enter orders, check labs, etc.. Obviously they aren't ready either!!).
 
Thanks! It looks like I've got some work to do, although I am getting better about letting the residents enter the orders! 😀

(I had some attendings in residency who actually knew how to use the electronic ordering system, would enter orders, check labs, etc.. Obviously they aren't ready either!!).

:laugh: Does this mean that as one becomes an attending, the ones who are ready are supposed to be less thorough? Or is it because that they are ready, thus are too busy and tired to be bothered with minor details?

I've noticed that people in the medical field, regardless of specialty have 2 peaks of idealism and enthusiasm in their careers...first as a medical student and the second at the end of their careers. There is a huge trough in the middle..My theory: As students, we don't know the kinda crap that happens in medicine, and when we are older, we make up for the kinda crap that we used to do..
 
Thanks! It looks like I've got some work to do, although I am getting better about letting the residents enter the orders! 😀

(I had some attendings in residency who actually knew how to use the electronic ordering system, would enter orders, check labs, etc.. Obviously they aren't ready either!!).

With the current weekend/days off rule, it's common for us to round 1:1 attending and resident. In that scenerio, it's efficiency that drives a need for the staff to know how to write orders and use the computer lab/rad system(s). I admit to sometimes letting my passwords get out of date though. Actually, the hardest thing is to find things in the nurses charting....residents have a knack for knowing where the info is needed on I/O, VS, etc that us attendings have to go hunting for.

By the way, my post was pure (and intentional) hypocrisy. I virtually never go a month on service without placing an art line on a tiny preemie (UAC or preferably radial line, my favorite procedure) or doing a few other random procedures, including a rare intubation if no one else is immediately around and it needs to be done pronto.

The best neo I know at placing radial lines is over 60 yrs old. Still never misses.
 
With the current weekend/days off rule, it's common for us to round 1:1 attending and resident. In that scenerio, it's efficiency that drives a need for the staff to know how to write orders and use the computer lab/rad system(s). I admit to sometimes letting my passwords get out of date though. Actually, the hardest thing is to find things in the nurses charting....residents have a knack for knowing where the info is needed on I/O, VS, etc that us attendings have to go hunting for.

By the way, my post was pure (and intentional) hypocrisy. I virtually never go a month on service without placing an art line on a tiny preemie (UAC or preferably radial line, my favorite procedure) or doing a few other random procedures, including a rare intubation if no one else is immediately around and it needs to be done pronto.

The best neo I know at placing radial lines is over 60 yrs old. Still never misses.

I presumed it was (as was my response above). Its my patient after all and I have to be in charge of everything done on them. Plus I take a bit of pride in doing the job myself as well as bit of control freak in knowing that it was done and done correctly. 😀

I can recall as an intern having to scrub out of a case along with the Chief and leaving the attending to write the post-op orders. The Chief made me go back and make sure that the attending "didn't write some crazy orders out of the 60s"! The problem with the attendings knowing how to put in orders is that they then do so...sometimes (or many times) neglecting to tell the team about it, then we field the calls from the nurses about the order, or are clueless when the patient asks about them. But you're right...the residents often do know better where stuff is kept, who to call about getting x,y and z done, etc. We have to have some power over the attendings.

Besides, it gives those old farts the impression that they're actually in control of the patients care! 😉
 
Eventually you catch "bug" to do clinical medicine, i.e. when it becomes actually very fun, I recently stayed extra hours during a rotation because I was really "in the zone." I would say do a sub-internship in medicine, this is when you get to take an even more active role. My last year in clinical medicine has been so wonderful that I feel extremely lost when I'm not in the hospital, everything moment outside the hopsital feels just like I'm a linebacker waiting in the locker room during half-time who hasn't gotten a chance to sock the quarterback and is itching to get back on the field.

Alot of residents enjoy residency because it is fun learning to practice your field of choice, and at one place they got a whole hour for a noon conference and free lunch. Some programs have a couple of golden weekends each month too. Fourth year is a good time to recharge, especially if third year rotations were poorly runned . . . Before I was afraid of being *too* dedicated to medicine . . . but I think that in medicine the dedication can help alot of patients so it is worth it in the end
 
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I doubt you can wake up late and go "home" early with MSF. They send you to places filled with sick and/or injured people. The few docs I know that have done this worked 16-18 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week. Perhaps they were just in bad areas though.

Also, I'm pretty sure you have to be board eligible/board certified to participate.

It would be fantastic if there really was an MSF residency, I bet you would learn alot, although it would impossible to standardize it because there are such varied situations MSF works in from refugees crowding on a border, to surgical trauma in a war. Also, MSF states that the attending doctors, which yes I have heard have to be BE/BC from country like USA, states that the attendings are too busy to supervise the training of residents, which makes sense as well. I think that the best that residency programs in the US can do is a couple of months over the course of training to do international health work, . . .
 
I don't feel very ready, as a soon-to-be 4th year. I have worked my butt off, and I still haven't gotten honors on any whole rotation (one or two attendings have given me honors, but that's all).

The last attending, when I asked, said I still would need to be "one step above" to get honors. I don't know if I can count on that to happen in the next year, among interviews and all that...if it will ever happen at all...so what do I do? I don't want to be an incompetent intern too.
 
honors is bull**** in 3rd year, you have to jump through too many hoops to get it. its like crossing the demilitarized zone between north and south korea. unless you have hover craft you're screwed. have to get above 90 on evaluations, osce, shelf, and presentation. **** em.
 
How hard it is to honor a rotation depends on the rotation. Some of them rely on subjectives, like medicine, while some are almost entirely based on the shelf, like surgery. I do agree, however, that you have to play the game in other ways, especially when it comes to the end of the rotation when you have to study for the shelf.
 
How hard it is to honor a rotation depends on the rotation. Some of them rely on subjectives, like medicine, while some are almost entirely based on the shelf, like surgery. I do agree, however, that you have to play the game in other ways, especially when it comes to the end of the rotation when you have to study for the shelf.

True. I can learn the material all right and do OK on the shelf, though, but unfortunately the subjective evals are what kill me. Nothing horrible on them, just the standard high pass stuff that I can't seem to get beyond. I'm too quiet, not always great at the physical exam, need to learn to summarize my presentations better, etc. I've always been a perfectionist, and not being able to master this after so much trying is very frustrating, to say the least.
 
Alot of what goes into clinical rotation grades is pretty subjective, believe me, it depends entirely on learning how to integrate yourself seamlessly into the hospital environment. I have been at hospitals doing rotations where my role was never defined, and although I tried hard to do the right thing there are often hidden "extra" task that I didn't know I was allowed to do or should be doing. With time you understand your medical student role better. I don't believe that an honors student has mastered anything either, the differences are in many cases not there, but based on someone who is good smoozer who can smooth talk their way through a rotation. I knew student who said that he should have been failed some rotations, but becase he was a "nice guy" they professors couldn't do it to him, even when he failed a shelf exam like two times. . . Attendings are doing no favor to the future of medicine by making disparaging comments to some students, and giving other students excellent evaluations when near the same level of work is done. What happens? The honors student feel that they have worked so much harder on the rotation and somehow deserve their grade, whereas the students who get bashed for personal reasons are often working extra-hard (like double the honors students) just to overcome the negative consequences that an attending who does not like them will have on their evaluation.

I am very quiet too, and this can be misinterpreted as a lack of interest etc . . . on rotations. The rotations that I have honored I always felt very comfortable with what I was supposed to be doing, and was made to felt comfortable by the team and the end result was there was less stress and I was able to do my job and get excellent evaluations. On rotations where there is alot of social talk and loud people it can be easy for the residents and attendings to not like the quiet student, and subconciously or often conciously treat them differently which WILL have a negative effect on you because their non-verbal cues drag you down.

Sometimes even if they tell you what to do better (on the rare occassion you can understand their code words like "one level above", sounds more subjective to me), even if you improve, they can find ways to give you the same evaluation if their personal impression of you hasn't changed.

The socially popular students are not harassed or looked down on by attendings and hence respond favorably to this positive feedback. I had a medicine professor my first two years who gave me dirty looks each time in clinic and made me look bad even when I knew the answer, the result, I learned by association to dislike the ambulatory setting, which negatively impacted future work. You have to learn to put bad evaluations behind you or they will haunt you forever, just head into the next rotation with a positive attitude and everything will fall into place, trust me. Don't listen to unconstructive, vague criticism about not functioning on this or that level, it is just how academic types tell a student they don't like them. If there is something real to work on then do so, but again, this is rare.
 
Also, fourth year is so much better than third year, and a subI will give you a good to excellent shot of honoring it. Once you get one honors, you will probably get a lot more after than as honors begets honors. For example, if you got an honors in your last rotation it was probably an awesome experience, all of the rotations I honored have been great experiences, you will get a definite buzz and charge going into the next rotation, which you have a higher chance of honoring because you are confident, and your worries about being a bad doctor are washed away. Making pass/high pass student feel like second-class citizens in clinical rotations has back-fired. I believe that the only reason this is done is because attendings like setting up one student against another and believe that the competition improves patient care. The opposite happens as teamwork is hard to cultivate. I had a fellow student on one rotation who wanted to go into that field and stole, i.e. forced other students out of procedures and simple wound cleanings, all because he wanted to be the star of the team, he often took work from me before I knew what was happening, it was a depressing rotation for me as I had to fight to get the education I needed . . . and deal with a very aggressive medical student.
 
Can someone please start/come up with a list.

I am an MSIII (for one more week) and I am SURE I'm not ready yet...I am still enjoying the joy of being a "student"-being able to get away with all sorts of (lifestyle) stuff because I am a "student". What will happen to me when I graduate?:scared:

Is something wrong with wanting to leave early, even if it's to get to my dance class on time? or meet some friends for drinks at 6pm in the city?
What's wrong with wanting to work "summer hours" after memorial day (ya know, leave early at 3pm on Fridays).

Which residency will allow me to get up at 8am? or gives me more than ONE day off per week? is there a part-time/decelerated residency program?

I'm not ready to give up my freedom to enter into the real world....

Seriously? I mean . . . seriously? This - is - medicine . . . go home
 
10 Ways To Tell You Are Not Ready To Start Residency

2. During a code youre the one doing compressions instead of commanding "I cant see the monitor...did we give epi?...ok, hold compressions...whats our time?"
If the med students are running codes at your institution, remind me to have my massive MI elsewhere.
 
10) Every sentence you speak in rounds starts "Um . . . "

9) It still hasn't occurred to you to go through the stock room to find out where everything is.

8) You are still under the delusion that nurses are there to help you.

7) You sit down while you eat.

6) Your notes aren't done before the intern's.

5) You ask "What's that thing?" in the OR.

4) You still complain about having to do "scut".

3) The staff asks you which nursing school you attend.

2) You describe rectal exams and body fluids as "gross".

1) Your residents never tell you that you should consider their specialty.
 
I had a fellow student on one rotation who wanted to go into that field and stole, i.e. forced other students out of procedures and simple wound cleanings, all because he wanted to be the star of the team, he often took work from me before I knew what was happening, it was a depressing rotation for me as I had to fight to get the education I needed . . . and deal with a very aggressive medical student.

Yes, this was exactly what happened to me on this past rotation. I found it too silly to compete with someone else to be the first to change dressings, get charts, etc, so I didn't (although I continued to do my job as efficiently and well as I could). I'm pretty sure the patients liked me because I spent time talking with them and letting them rest when changing their dressings...but the rest of the team didn't necessarily. It was very depressing constantly following behind the "star" of the team, as you mention.
 
10) Every sentence you speak in rounds starts "Um . . . "

7) You sit down while you eat.

6) Your notes aren't done before the intern's.

5) You ask "What's that thing?" in the OR.

1) Your residents never tell you that you should consider their specialty.

oh, sh@#...the attending actually got on me about #10. At least I don't think anything is gross?! How to fix all these things-- redo 3rd year? (yuck!)
 
Yes, this was exactly what happened to me on this past rotation. I found it too silly to compete with someone else to be the first to change dressings, get charts, etc, so I didn't (although I continued to do my job as efficiently and well as I could). I'm pretty sure the patients liked me because I spent time talking with them and letting them rest when changing their dressings...but the rest of the team didn't necessarily. It was very depressing constantly following behind the "star" of the team, as you mention.

Yup, I'm sure that has happened before. Not that I don't like hard-working people, I try very hard to do a good job for my patients. The "star" student in my rotation just seemed to want to dominate everything and would interupt and push the others out.

Ironically, I was on a rotation where I unintentionally assumed the role of the "star" student for a day. I was seeing patients, and would just grab the next chart that showed up, because I really liked seeing the patients, for some reason the other students were just standing around, and not taking patients. Anyway, the attending complained that the other students were doing nothing, but excused me for a couple hours so that they could see some patients too. I think it was an honest mistake, and I didn't get a bad eval at all. I wasn't even interested in going into the specialty that this happened in. Teamwork is the best on difficult rotations, and I think that some "star" students are actually damaging the educational experience of their colleagues by constantly pushing other students out of the way. The best surgeons, internists, pediatricians now how to be teamplayers and hence how to safely navigate their patients through the hospital system.
 
I disagree. Do not do a sub-I that's not required during 4th year.

During 4th year, every moment outside the hospital should feel fun and exhilarating, while every moment inside the hospital should feel like jail and a means to an end.

Clinical medicine rocks, and I'm ready for internship because I had the above philosophy during 4th year..

Eventually you catch "bug" to do clinical medicine, i.e. when it becomes actually very fun, I recently stayed extra hours during a rotation because I was really "in the zone." I would say do a sub-internship in medicine, this is when you get to take an even more active role. My last year in clinical medicine has been so wonderful that I feel extremely lost when I'm not in the hospital, everything moment outside the hopsital feels just like I'm a linebacker waiting in the locker room during half-time who hasn't gotten a chance to sock the quarterback and is itching to get back on the field.

Alot of residents enjoy residency because it is fun learning to practice your field of choice, and at one place they got a whole hour for a noon conference and free lunch. Some programs have a couple of golden weekends each month too. Fourth year is a good time to recharge, especially if third year rotations were poorly runned . . . Before I was afraid of being *too* dedicated to medicine . . . but I think that in medicine the dedication can help alot of patients so it is worth it in the end
 
I'm sure that there is enough time during fourth year to do an extra sub-I. Sub-I's aren't that bad at all, and you are treated much better during fourth year electives like sub-I's, than during some of the third year clerkships where they have a right to abuse you. Fourth year is a gift from above as you know enough to really help out, and because you choose the elective, they know that you want to be there. What describing sounds like doing a bad third year rotation. If your school has really nice third year rotations, you won't mind spending time during fourth year doing clinical work, some schools know how to take care of their students, and some, well, let's just say that re-decorating the faculty lounge takes priority over a third year student's concerns . . .
 
Alot of what goes into clinical rotation grades is pretty subjective, believe me, it depends entirely on learning how to integrate yourself seamlessly into the hospital environment. I have been at hospitals doing rotations where my role was never defined, and although I tried hard to do the right thing there are often hidden "extra" task that I didn't know I was allowed to do or should be doing. With time you understand your medical student role better. I don't believe that an honors student has mastered anything either, the differences are in many cases not there, but based on someone who is good smoozer who can smooth talk their way through a rotation. I knew student who said that he should have been failed some rotations, but becase he was a "nice guy" they professors couldn't do it to him, even when he failed a shelf exam like two times. . . Attendings are doing no favor to the future of medicine by making disparaging comments to some students, and giving other students excellent evaluations when near the same level of work is done. What happens? The honors student feel that they have worked so much harder on the rotation and somehow deserve their grade, whereas the students who get bashed for personal reasons are often working extra-hard (like double the honors students) just to overcome the negative consequences that an attending who does not like them will have on their evaluation.

I am very quiet too, and this can be misinterpreted as a lack of interest etc . . . on rotations. The rotations that I have honored I always felt very comfortable with what I was supposed to be doing, and was made to felt comfortable by the team and the end result was there was less stress and I was able to do my job and get excellent evaluations. On rotations where there is alot of social talk and loud people it can be easy for the residents and attendings to not like the quiet student, and subconciously or often conciously treat them differently which WILL have a negative effect on you because their non-verbal cues drag you down.

Sometimes even if they tell you what to do better (on the rare occassion you can understand their code words like "one level above", sounds more subjective to me), even if you improve, they can find ways to give you the same evaluation if their personal impression of you hasn't changed.

The socially popular students are not harassed or looked down on by attendings and hence respond favorably to this positive feedback. I had a medicine professor my first two years who gave me dirty looks each time in clinic and made me look bad even when I knew the answer, the result, I learned by association to dislike the ambulatory setting, which negatively impacted future work. You have to learn to put bad evaluations behind you or they will haunt you forever, just head into the next rotation with a positive attitude and everything will fall into place, trust me. Don't listen to unconstructive, vague criticism about not functioning on this or that level, it is just how academic types tell a student they don't like them. If there is something real to work on then do so, but again, this is rare.

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