tramadol

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Great drug in theory and on paper. What have you see?? Is it a potent opiod receptor agonist as it appears? What about the NE and "5-Hydroxytryptamine or 3-(2-aminoethyl)-1H-indol-5-ol " reuptake properties???? Is it a good AD for depressed folks with conversion pain, neuroses, or not better that the others with out the opiod property....................... 😀 😀
 
I'm tired, but I'll give you a brief recount of my experience with patients.....it falls within the "mild-moderate" opiate receptive pain situations. I can't comment on the pain use in the depressed patient because, truly, all of the patients I dispense medications to who have depression secondary to pain have gone beyond what tramadol can relieve (I am within 30 miles of two pain treatment centers - one which is in a medical school...so they tend to be aggressive with pain control). That is not to say it does not have a place here - I just don't see it. The most common prescribers in my area are oral surgeons.....

I will say, with very few exceptions, most every patient I've dispensed it to experiences an "odd" feeling & bizarre dreams. When they volunteer to explain these "odd" feelings - they relate to feeling they are observing themselves from outside themselves - is there a word to describe that clinical situation? For some - its disconcerting to the extent they won't take the drug again.

Actually - this is a common complaint with gabapentin also, however, it resolves rapidly. I've not found that to be the case with tramadol & I've not really taken the time to research the postulations as to what mediates it.

I'll be interested to hear other opinions & perhaps when there is more time & I'm not so tired, I'll do some research.......
 
sdn1977 said:
When they volunteer to explain these "odd" feelings - they relate to feeling they are observing themselves from outside themselves - is there a word to describe that clinical situation? For some - its disconcerting to the extent they won't take the drug again.

Sounds like depersonalization, which is a type of dissociation, in which the person feels detatched from oneself, as if they're watching themselves from outside. Interesting... I didn't know tramadol had that effect.

When I did my surgery rotation, I remember the colorectal surgeons used it all the time because they said it didn't inhibit gut motility like the opioids.
 
psisci said:
Great drug in theory and on paper. What have you see?? Is it a potent opiod receptor agonist as it appears? What about the NE and "5-Hydroxytryptamine or 3-(2-aminoethyl)-1H-indol-5-ol " reuptake properties???? Is it a good AD for depressed folks with conversion pain, neuroses, or not better that the others with out the opiod property....................... 😀 😀

Ultram is a weak binder of the opiate receptor (6000x lower than morphine). It doesn't develop dependency or significant withdrawal, and doesn't respond well to narcan for this reason.

There are rat studies that show an antidepressant effect. It's debated whether this is from the monoamine oxidase or noradrenergic effect.

In practice, it won't hold the chronic pain disorders, has no observable antidepressant effect. I've tried it lots of times for the chronic neurotic pain-obsessed (whether real or imagined) patients. It usually allows fleeting relief.
For more reasonable pain disorders in less axis II patients, it provides better relief. We use it in delivery, in cancer patients, and post-operatively.
 
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