Trochar in the 'ole Aorta

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At our institution of higher learning, just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta - the guy barely survived because of phenomenal anesthesia support.

The case was for a small umbilical hernia. (Parenthetically, I wonder if the patient was given informed consent about how doing the procedure open would hurt a little more, but it was unlikely he would get the the chance to almost DIE if done open.)

We have had about 4 in the last few years.

Is this happening elsewhere?

I should mention - good surgeon too.
 
At our institution of higher learning, just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta - the guy barely survived because of phenomenal anesthesia support.

The case was for a small umbilical hernia. (Parenthetically, I wonder if the patient was given informed consent about how doing the procedure open would hurt a little more, but it was unlikely he would get the the chance to almost DIE if done open.)

We have had about 4 in the last few years.

Is this happening elsewhere?

I should mention - good surgeon too.

4 in the last few years???😱 Your surgeons need to revise their trocar entry technique. It is definitely a risk, but I haven't seen/heard of an aortic injury at my hospitals in at least 15 years, not even by gyn.
 
At our institution of higher learning, just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta - the guy barely survived because of phenomenal anesthesia support.

The case was for a small umbilical hernia. (Parenthetically, I wonder if the patient was given informed consent about how doing the procedure open would hurt a little more, but it was unlikely he would get the the chance to almost DIE if done open.)

We have had about 4 in the last few years.

Is this happening elsewhere?

I should mention - good surgeon too.

Hmmm, good surgeons simply don't have this happen to them. Fast surgeon doesn't automatically equate to good surgeon, and most vascular injuries come from simply trying to cut corners and go too quickly. I haven't seen an aortic injury in ages - if we see vascular injuries at all, it's usually one of the iliacs with one of the lateral trocars.

Many of our non-gyn surgeons (and many of the gyns) have gone to an open laparoscopic technique with a Hasan. Just takes a couple minutes longer but FAR safer for the patient.
 
Curious. If it was a small umbilical hernia, I would think that would be repaired primarily, considering the umbilicus is the area where the trocar is inserted first traditionally. Usually, it is a few non-absorbable stitches and out.

That said, I have never seen sharp trocar entry hit anything vascular. *knocks wood* The worst I have ever seen is a nicked uterus on a diagnostic laparoscopy, and the GYN doing it stated that is where you would want to have it hit if anywhere.

Most of my general surgeons used the Hasson entry or a clear trocar entry with the camera in the trocar.
 
At our institution of higher learning, just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta - the guy barely survived because of phenomenal anesthesia support.

The case was for a small umbilical hernia. (Parenthetically, I wonder if the patient was given informed consent about how doing the procedure open would hurt a little more, but it was unlikely he would get the the chance to almost DIE if done open.)

We have had about 4 in the last few years.

Is this happening elsewhere?

I should mention - good surgeon too.

How are these guys hitting the Aorta. I'm trying to think whenever I watch these guys put in trochars, except the first one, they are all done under 'visualization'. Even on a 'skinny' patient you have to go through lots of bowel before getting to those vessels (aorta, ivc). Provided someone isnt just 'stabbing' someone wtih a trocar, how in the world do you knick one of those vessels during trochar insertion...Iliacs I can see happening perhaps.. But aorta...yikes
 
Had a surgeon introduce a trochar into the liver a few months ago. Insufflation -> a-line bottoms out, lose EtCO2. Had them open quickly, small hepatic lac but no major blood loss. Figured it was a CO2 embolus, she recovered.
 
At our institution of higher learning, just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta - the guy barely survived because of phenomenal anesthesia support.

The case was for a small umbilical hernia. (Parenthetically, I wonder if the patient was given informed consent about how doing the procedure open would hurt a little more, but it was unlikely he would get the the chance to almost DIE if done open.)

We have had about 4 in the last few years.

Is this happening elsewhere?

I should mention - good surgeon too.

That number is WAY too high, and reflects a need for root cause analysis, etc, which I'm sure is underway. The acceptable incidence of major vascular injury is less than 0.1%

In general, a small umbilical hernia is fixed using an open technique and consists of a tiny little incision. Laparoscopy for that is a bad idea in general (with some exceptions), as it opens the patient up to more complications (like death from aortic hole) and doesn't improve cosmesis, pain, or recurrence.

Hmmm, good surgeons simply don't have this happen to them.......Many of our non-gyn surgeons (and many of the gyns) have gone to an open laparoscopic technique with a Hasan. Just takes a couple minutes longer but FAR safer for the patient.

It's tough to say that good surgeons simply don't have this complication. If you do enough laparoscopy, you're going to have a catastrophic complication, but the incidence should be very low.

Also, depending on the study, the Hassan technique does not decrease complications.

How are these guys hitting the Aorta. I'm trying to think whenever I watch these guys put in trochars, except the first one, they are all done under 'visualization'.

If there's no insufflation in the peritoneal cavity, the aorta can be very close to the anterior fascia (3-4 cm). The bowel will be flattened out and won't provide much resistance against a sharp trocar.



I think the main cause of unnecessary vascular injury is improper access. The worst approach is the blind entry without pneumoperitoneum (just screwing it plus/minus someone holding up the belly wall). The second worst is use of "optiview" without pneumoperitoneum, where you can use the laparoscope to watch yourself go through the belly wall (and right into the small bowel).

The acceptable techniques are 1) veress needle to obtain pneumoperitoneum followed by blind or optiview-assisted trocar placement, or 2) open "Hassan" technique. The literature has shown these to have equivalent major and minor complication rates.


The other thing, which is less important to anesthesia, is that the surgeon has to know when an alternative access site would be more suitable, e.g. a patient with a previous midline laparotomy.
 
At our institution ...just had a laporscopic trochar in the aorta...

The case was for a small umbilical hernia...

We have had about 4 in the last few years...

I should mention - good surgeon too.
4 in the last few years???...

Hmmm, good surgeons simply don't have this happen to them. ...I haven't seen an aortic injury in ages...
That number is WAY too high, and reflects a need for root cause analysis, etc....
OK, reading through this and a few thoughts come to mind....

First, "good surgeon"... really? I have been consistently amazed at how often poor surgical technique and inexcusable errors are brushed off with the "good surgeon". Too often, I see people try to comfort the physician/surgeon. This is high stakes. Let's not not chalk everything up to "good physician/surgeon was just unlucky".

Second, yes aorta injuries ?can happen (more accurately, have happened). However, the percentage "risk" of occurance is over inflated. That is because these injuries should really be a matter of historical interest. They should not be happening today. It is just like the rate of CBD injuries. Larger numbers early on when the denominator of total procedures was low. The numerator should NOT be increasing. We have numerous types of trocars and entry techniques. If the patient had multi-operated abdomen, precautions should be taken. If the patient had a pulsating AAA, good judgement should have prevailed. And... if the institution had three such injuries recently, a good surgeon would be very acuitly concerned to avoid a fourth. This was an umbo hernia.... elective, non-emergent, etc....

Finally, let us presume your surgeon is fantastic and the stars malaligned... on their 10,000 umbo hernia experience...?laparoscopic. Your institution with 4 aortic injuries in as many years call for a state medical board evaluation and moritorium on any trocar guided procedures until fully identified and corrected problem.
 
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