Trump's DEI executive orders

[Heyigotnoclue]

How will these orders affect med school admissions? Not trying to start a firestorm at all. Just genuinely curious.

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[MDterminator]

Probably less of an impact than the supreme court reversing affirmative action in college admissions. There was a 10% and 11% decline in black and hispanic enrollment into medical school this past year.

 

[Goro]

How will these orders affect med school admissions? Not trying to start a firestorm at all. Just genuinely curious.

They won't, as his XOs affect the workings of the Executive branch only.

The Supreme Court has already straight jacketed education in the DEI realm.

 

[xffan624]

They won't, as his XOs affect the workings of the Executive branch only.

The Supreme Court has already straight jacketed education in the DEI realm.

Also affects contractors that do business with the federal government. That's a lot of companies.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Injunctions and suits will happen, so it lands on the courts to affirm the legality of the executive orders.

But the deliberate shutdown of all federal government functions will mess us all up eventually, whether we're talking about FAFSA or IRS or suspension of educational programs or grants to promote STEMH careers.

 

[LucidSplash]

They won't, as his XOs affect the workings of the Executive branch only.

The Supreme Court has already straight jacketed education in the DEI realm.

His XOs are definitely crossing borders outside the Executive Branch. Likely some will be overturned by courts (firing inspector generals without notifying Congress or giving a substantial reason for example) but he is definitely going to push the limits of the Constitution and established law so we will see.

 

[eigen]

While it won't immediately effect admissions, the NIH grant shutdown we're currently experiencing (and NSF and others are starting to be hit now as well) has the potential to immensely impact medical research. This is going to mean that faculty and researchers currently in soft-money positions with research support may have to leave / find new jobs, and may also mean that research positions / experience will contract.

The other issue that is going to hit all schools is the requirement that to get any federal funding, a university must show that they have no efforts on-campus that could be considered DEI, even if the funding isn't going towards that.

From what I'm seeing, it looks like health disparity research is one of the initial targets in the NIH.

 

[Crayola227]

While it won't immediately effect admissions, the NIH grant shutdown we're currently experiencing (and NSF and others are starting to be hit now as well) has the potential to immensely impact medical research. This is going to mean that faculty and researchers currently in soft-money positions with research support may have to leave / find new jobs, and may also mean that research positions / experience will contract.

The other issue that is going to hit all schools is the requirement that to get any federal funding, a university must show that they have no efforts on-campus that could be considered DEI, even if the funding isn't going towards that.

From what I'm seeing, it looks like health disparity research is one of the initial targets in the NIH.

Jesus Christ, so is the SNMA & LMSA going to count against med schools??? Even if the admin doesn't fund it? What if they give the students access to a conference room or presentation time? Use of school equipment like projectors????

I feel like I woke up at the beginning of the Mao Revolution attack on education/culture.

 

[eigen]

Jesus Christ, so is the SNMA & LMSA going to count against med schools??? Even if the admin doesn't fund it? What if they give the students access to a conference room or presentation time? Use of school equipment like projectors????

We're waiting to hear back from our legal counsel on a lot of this, and honestly I don't think anyone will have clear answers for a while. The language in the EOs is pretty expansive, but we haven't yet seen how different funding agencies will operationalize it.

I will admit to being quite concerned that, for example, student clubs (as you mentioned) or external programs from private organizations (TRIO, PREP, etc.) either supporting students or research into inclusive practices will prohibit a school from receiving federal funding.

 

[Crayola227]

We're waiting to hear back from our legal counsel on a lot of this, and honestly I don't think anyone will have clear answers for a while. The language in the EOs is pretty expansive, but we haven't yet seen how different funding agencies will operationalize it.

I will admit to being quite concerned that, for example, student clubs (as you mentioned) or external programs from private organizations (TRIO, PREP, etc.) either supporting students or research into inclusive practices will prohibit a school from receiving federal funding.

As usual, the consequences were carefully considered & worded 🙄

 

[eigen]

So here's new "clarification" from NSF (https://new.nsf.gov/executive-orders):

All NSF grantees must comply with these Executive Orders, and any other relevant Executive Orders issued, by ceasing all non-compliant grant and award activities. Executive Orders are posted at whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions. In particular, this may include, but is not limited to conferences, trainings, workshops, considerations for staffing and participant selection, and any other grant activity that uses or promotes the use of DEIA principles and frameworks or violates Federal anti-discrimination laws. Please work with your institutional research office to assist you in complying with the Executive Orders. You can also direct your questions through this webform.

Thank you for your work advancing science, engineering, technology and innovation for our nation.

I have no idea how I can even interpret "any activity that uses or promotes the use of DEIA principles and frameworks". Does making sure that someone with a disability can effectively work in my lab violate the "A" part of that? Does telling my research students that I want to make sure the lab is a place where everyone feels included a violation?

 

[Crayola227]

So here's new "clarification" from NSF (https://new.nsf.gov/executive-orders):

I have no idea how I can even interpret "any activity that uses or promotes the use of DEIA principles and frameworks". Does making sure that someone with a disability can effectively work in my lab violate the "A" part of that? Does telling my research students that I want to make sure the lab is a place where everyone feels included a violation?

That last sentence is the real kicker. Meanwhile they just continue to destroy the scientific footing of America.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

NAFSA list of executive orders and agency responses

Executive and Regulatory Actions Under the Second Trump Administration

NAFSA: Association of International Educators is the world's largest nonprofit association dedicated to international education and exchange.

www.nafsa.org

 

[Mr.Smile12]

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