Type of Publications?

[Mulletfluf]

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I have posted a few times in the past and I recieved some excellent advice, so here I am again.

I am currently a therapist training in dosimetry. However, I will be an MS1 this coming fall. Having read this forum diligently over the last year, I know the value of research in Rad Onc. Thus, I have just submitted an abstract for consideration at ASTRO. So my question is this, does it matter when obtaining residencies whether your pubs were abstracts or full length papers? I would assume that full length papers hold more weight but I recall reading something about ERAS not making a distinction between the two.

Second, lets assume my paper is rejected by ASTRO but accepted by RSNA (yes, I checked that box). What, if any, difference does that make?

 

[Gfunk6]

In the world of science, the answer would be easy -- full length paper >> abstract. But, as you pointed out, ERAS doesn't distinguish between the two and, honestly, many PDs are not terribly familiar with basic science journals.

However, radiobiologists and (possibly) physicists who will inevitably interview you will know the difference. In fact I was pleasanty surprised when a few radiobiologist were very familiar with my area of work, but then became despondent as they tore me a new one. 🙁

At the "top" programs many faculty (who have usually published extensively) will also know the difference b/w the two. Also, it looks nicer to give your interviewers a glossy journal reprint than a single paragraph abstract.

Note however that an abstract can bloom into a full-length manuscript. So one does not necessarily preclude the other.

As to your 2nd question, I don't think it matters whether an abstract is published by ASTRO or RNSA. In my experience, the criteria for accepting an abstract is usually quite low. Even if the data is weak, the "name" of your boss will probably convince the selection committee to take it.

BTW, I'm assuming your talking about first-author abstract vs. first-author papers. If you are further down the author list, that is a rather different animal.

 

[cdf95cro]

At our institution it is common to send the preliminary data to ASTRO or RSNA, then formulate a manuscript as the data "matures". If you are lucky, it may be accepted as an oral presenation, which is prized above a poster presentation.

As far as the ASTRO/RSNA thing, both meetings are very enjoyable, and though RSNA has less speciifically for Rad Onc, it is much larger in size and scope...
For an MS1 getting any abstract in to a meeting is a coup.

 

[radonc]

At our institution it is common to send the preliminary data to ASTRO or RSNA, then formulate a manuscript as the data "matures". If you are lucky, it may be accepted as an oral presenation, which is prized above a poster presentation.

As far as the ASTRO/RSNA thing, both meetings are very enjoyable, and though RSNA has less speciifically for Rad Onc, it is much larger in size and scope...
For an MS1 getting any abstract in to a meeting is a coup.

astro is one of the only conferences where if you present an abstract as a first author one year, and if you dont submit it to IJROBP within a year, you cannot submit an abstract as a first author the next year...

 

[Mulletfluf]

astro is one of the only conferences where if you present an abstract as a first author one year, and if you dont submit it to IJROBP within a year, you cannot submit an abstract as a first author the next year...

Wow, I was not aware of this. Thanks for the tip. However, I doubt that I will be asked to present my data, although I did check that box as well. If I was asked to present, and that is a very large if, I would assume it would be part of a panel discussion. Many notable people have published in the same area so asking me to present would be highly unlikely.

also, I was just wondering...is anyone going to go the the Varian users symposium in pittsburg in may? It deals with IGRT and CBCT.

 

[radiaterMike]

You need to submit the paper for publication in any journal within a year, though obviously they prefer that you submit it to IJROBP. It does not have to necessarily be accepted by that journal either. RSNA has similar requirements I believe.

astro is one of the only conferences where if you present an abstract as a first author one year, and if you dont submit it to IJROBP within a year, you cannot submit an abstract as a first author the next year...