UBC Pharmacy switch to MMI

[advair250]

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[pearljam5a1]

Isn't MMI sort of like speed dating? You are in a big room and there's interviewers seated at tables and you interview with one table and move to the next in rapid succession. There's still the chance to have a "human connection" but I can see how it would be diminished. I personally wouldn't like this method but I can see how it might work for an institution that gets a lot of applicants. They would be able to offer more applicants interviews which seems like a plus but it would be harder for them to get to know each person individually. Increased efficiency with decreased individuality. Sounds like a Newtonian assembly line to me.

 

[UBCpharm99]

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[KingOfDoctors]

Sounds to me like the percentage of asians that get into UBC pharm this fall will now be even higher - child-like communication skills, poor community involvement, high GPA's; this interview style is another chance for Vancouver (or Hongcouver) to go under the radar with yet another one of their reverse-racism schemes against caucasians. I hope I am wrong...

huh???

If Asians have poor communication skills then shouldn't their acceptance be alot lower this year due to MMI???

MMI is designed to fk asians I swear...I'm the living victim of UofT MMI

 

[UBCpharm99]

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[UBCpharm99]

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[KingOfDoctors]

I don't see what's wrong with accepting more asians if they are indeed qualified...Denying acceptance due to your race is illegal in Canada and you can go to jail for that

Btw why are odds stacked against you if u r a white male??? Why does race even matter to your communication skills??

So what if Asians have higher GPA?? People get high GPA because they are smart and they work hard, and not because they are Asian

A racist like you should not be a pharmacist or any health profession for that matter...

 

[jta7]

Anyone want to practice MMI over the summer?

 

[UBCpharm99]

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[UBCpharm99]

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[rxlea]

I don't see how statistics of asian students has anything to do with a change in interview format. I suppose the advantage of not having a one on one interview is that there are more people that will have a first impression of you. With one person, maybe you can say something they don't like or they don't agree with, and may a hold that against you for the remainder of the interview whether intentionally or not. When there is more than one interviewer, the scores overall are probably more objective. Plus, you might score higher in a certain area over someone else and that might make you stand out or add something to your app...

 

[KingOfDoctors]

I never said anything is wrong with accepting more asians if they are qualified. A lot of them have the grades but don't have the English.

Hahaha, "Denying acceptance due to your race is illegal in Canada and you can go to jail for that," obviously it is you idiot.

My whole argument is that perfectly qualified applicants with great English/communicational skills are getting screwed by the system because grades are emphasized so much. The battle seems to be between asians with higher GPA's against everyone else with a lower GPA but with impecible and competent English. According to my experience at UBC, the asians are winning.

Clearly you have NO clue as to how a university makes decisions so I will educate you. I have it tough being a white male as schools strive for gender equality and racial quotas. Living in BC with the growing population of asians, UBC is selecting more asians based on this trend.

But who cares what I have to say anyways, I'm just a racist caucasian...

Exactly

Who cares about you can speak English in BC??? Everybody can speak Egnlish some what, as long as others can understand you it will be sufficient.

It is all about who can speak the Asian languages right now because as the Asians slowly taking over Canada and the entire population becoming more racially diverse, the multilingual pharmacist will be in demand instead of some racist Caucasian who is only fluent in English

I will pray everyday for you to be rejected because a racist like you should not be tolerated by society, and learn 2 edit u ****** instead of double posting everytime

 

[jta7]

huh???

If Asians have poor communication skills then shouldn't their acceptance be alot lower this year due to MMI???

MMI is designed to fk asians I swear...I'm the living victim of UofT MMI

How did your MMI go at U of T? I'm pretty nervous for this format because I cannot think under pressure :S

 

[UBCpharm99]

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[nicolemsm]

We live in Canada where our national languages are English and French, not English and Mandarin. If you think that only being able to speak English "some what" is sufficient to be a competent pharmacist, than you're living in the wrong continent. Most places in BC are overwhelmingly English speaking, besides Vancouver, so deal with it. And in Canada, it IS NOT "all about the Asian languages," it's about English and French. I really hope I don't see you in UBC pharmacy because you're probably one of those annoying kids who sits in the front row watching Anime disrupting others.

Advair 250 is right, if you can't handle someone's opinion then how are you going to deal with patients that come in with problems. I pray you don't ever get into pharmacy.

Mandarin is the number one language spoken worldwide... better get used to it now...

Fortunately you live in Canada, or else you'd be overwhelmed by the amount of native Spanish speakers in the US.

I'd love to see you live in Arizona for one day- ultimate culture shock.

 

[rewind85]

I would like to say that I do not fall into the asian stereotype and loved the MMI style. How am I not the asian stereotype? Low GPA, pretty good English/communication skills and I do not own a Hello Kitty anything. The MMI is a test of how well you think on your feet. I'm starting to think people are under the impression that each MMI is a small version of a typical interview. In my experience, you get a "situation" or question and respond. It's like a personality test without an answer key. You just have to pray to Jesus, Buddha and whomever else and squeeze your butt cheeks in hopes that they like what they hear.

Believe me, there were a few times I felt like I got rejected by someone I was trying to impress. At the end of the day, my date called me. His name was pharmacy school.

 

[KingOfDoctors]

KingOfDoctors, if you can`t handle a simple "racist caucausian", how are you going to deal with the general public when they come yelling at you for being slow with their prescription, and their kid is causing a scene?

It's the internet, don't take things too seriously lol.

As a Pharmacist your job is to provide good service to people, for sure there will be racist and judgmental people around that you have to deal with, but as professionals you can't be racist and judgmental yourself

We live in Canada where our national languages are English and French, not English and Mandarin. If you think that only being able to speak English "some what" is sufficient to be a competent pharmacist, than you're living in the wrong continent. Most places in BC are overwhelmingly English speaking, besides Vancouver, so deal with it. And in Canada, it IS NOT "all about the Asian languages," it's about English and French. I really hope I don't see you in UBC pharmacy because you're probably one of those annoying kids who sits in the front row watching Anime disrupting others.

Advair 250 is right, if you can't handle someone's opinion then how are you going to deal with patients that come in with problems. I pray you don't ever get into pharmacy.

Now you are just being delusional. lolFrench? I'm pretty sure the most people that can speak French can also speak English to some degree, but how many of them can also speak Mandarin? Use your head and think who is more valuable here. Also French and English are VERY similar compared to English and Mandarin, I personally learned High school french from scratch for like 2 years and I got 92% in that class, which is alot higher than many white people who learned french since elementary school

BTW your generalization of Asian fails big time, I am an asian with decent GPA AND tons of community involvement because I've been working/volunteering at a hospital outpatient pharmacy for more than 3 years now and I'm only in 2nd year Uni, as well as tons of research experience in Organic chemistry. I know many other Asians that hav alot higher GPA than me and even more extracurricular activities.

Please don't think that if you are white and you speak English since birth means you have good community involvement and will succeed in pharmacy, while all asians = High GPA and no life, it is because of ignorant white people like you that's why most people in UBC are asian and not white

 

[CasualSkeptic]

My whole argument is that perfectly qualified applicants with great English/communicational skills are getting screwed by the system because grades are emphasized so much. The battle seems to be between asians with higher GPA's against everyone else with a lower GPA but with impecible and competent English. According to my experience at UBC, the asians are winning.

Clearly you have NO clue as to how a university makes decisions so I will educate you. I have it tough being a white male as schools strive for gender equality and racial quotas. Living in BC with the growing population of asians, UBC is selecting more asians based on this trend.

Which is not how affirmative action works at all. Affirmative action is not about rewarding people on the basis of sex and gender as opposed to qualification and merit. Neither is it about quotas. Affirmative action is about institutions setting flexible goals based on the demographic composition of qualified minorities. For example, if Asians make up 70% of BC's population (forget the numbers; I'm only making a point), but only 50% of the total applicant pool are qualified for the admission to the pharmacy program, then the goal would be to admit 50%, not 70%. And should this target not be met, then the goal would be readjusted the next year.

The point being, you would not be directly competing with the Asian pool, but with that of white males, provided that the UBC even advocates affirmative action, in which case your grievances about the faculty's growing emphasis on GPA is ill-founded, as you aren't competing with Asians in the first place. If anything, you're in a more advantageous situation since whites are, on average, supposedly less competent academic achievers, if I haven't misunderstood your argument. Your claim that affirmative action is shafting whites by making the faculty admit an increasing number of less qualified (and this is based on your personal criterion that interpersonal skills are far more important in a pharmacist than are scientific and mathematical prowess) minorities only reinforces the cruel stereotype that Asians are grade-hungry social misfits. I personally have not attended the UBC school of pharmacy, but if the system is working as it should, then there would not be a preponderance of asocial, "childlike" Asians who contribute little to society as per your concerns.

It's possible that I misunderstood your post, but I'm too lazy to go back and think this over. In that case, I'm open to due criticism.

 

[ht2010]

Firstly, way to go off topic.

To add, I am white male (so the odds are already stacked against me)

- I think you've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh.

Clearly you have NO clue as to how a university makes decisions so I will educate you. I have it tough being a white male as schools strive for gender equality and racial quotas. Living in BC with the growing population of asians, UBC is selecting more asians based on this trend.

- You ever consider maybe they were selected because of their merits not their race? You just sound bitter man. Relax and just give it your best shot and quit listening to American conservative talkradio. All this affirmative action, racial quotas crap reminds me of the scene in American History X where the dads talking to Edward Norton in the flash back scene.

 

[ksksks]

huh???

If Asians have poor communication skills then shouldn't their acceptance be alot lower this year due to MMI???

MMI is designed to fk asians I swear...I'm the living victim of UofT MMI

lol i am asian and i am really glad that MMI was introduced.
Having a social (overly social) life in University resulted in lower GPA compared to nerds (not just asians but all races) that study in library all day and get 90+. I swear, I see just as many Asians giggling over Anime to Caucasians giggling over nintendo DS dual play in Woodward library.

there is this one guy in pharmacy that has 0 interpersonal skills at UBC. Admitting people with no social skills is like hiring a pianist who always wears thick gloves.

 

[ksksks]

I never said anything is wrong with accepting more asians if they are qualified. A lot of them have the grades but don't have the English.

Hahaha, "Denying acceptance due to your race is illegal in Canada and you can go to jail for that," obviously it is you idiot.

My whole argument is that perfectly qualified applicants with great English/communicational skills are getting screwed by the system because grades are emphasized so much. The battle seems to be between asians with higher GPA's against everyone else with a lower GPA but with impecible and competent English. According to my experience at UBC, the asians are winning.

Clearly you have NO clue as to how a university makes decisions so I will educate you. I have it tough being a white male as schools strive for gender equality and racial quotas. Living in BC with the growing population of asians, UBC is selecting more asians based on this trend.

But who cares what I have to say anyways, I'm just a racist caucasian...

I am Asian. and I could say that
race does not play any role in selection of candidates. But the following does indirectly.

1) Son/Daughter of who works in the field, due to mass connections. Many of those who work in the field happen to be white because they settled into the community first.

2) Social skills/culture differences - I noticed that at UBC (I am not a UBC student so there is no bias), caucasians have a lot of friends who are from different cultures (so not just white) while Asians stuck with each other and spoke respective languages. I know a lot of Asian friends who are in med school, dentistry, and pharmacy. They all have one thing in common. They have a diverse group of friends. I cant prove whether this causes culture differences or changes in social skills, but I am certain that hanging out with different people will allow you to be aware of the cultures.

 

[dreadmorphine]

Haha I enjoyed how this thread went on about stereotypes and racial quotas for so long. Thanks for the long laugh, guys.

Anyways, just thought I'd share my opinion on the MMI. I Believe it is designed to give the Ad Comm a more objective evaluation for each applicant. With so many different interviewers, the goal is to minimize the biased. Instead of having the typical two interviewers where it is heavily biased. However, I must say I do agree that it does to an extent remove the personal connection that one would attempt to make in an interview.

 

[spudly]

I am pretty sure that if a student has poor communication skills or difficulty speaking English they will do poorly at any interview style! (regardless of race)

The reasons for switching to MMI is that it has been proven to be a more accurate predictor of how well you will do not only in pharmacy school (or any professional school for that matter), but also the kind of person you are and how that will reflect later on when you are in actual practice. Hopefully, MMI will only serve to bring in an even more well rounded class into pharmacy school each year. I would also hope that the admissions committee will find new ways to increase the entrance of students who are will to practice OUTSIDE of the lower mainland, because as it stands currently, far too many students are unwilling to leave the GVRD and practice in underserved communities.

 

[UBCpharm99]

I'd like to apologize for any inappropriate comments I have made. I was frusturated that I couldn't get into pharmacy after applying so many times.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[rxlea]

I'd like to apologize for any inappropriate comments I have made. I was frusturated that I couldn't get into pharmacy after applying so many times.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

It takes a mature person to take responsibility for their mistakes/actions/etc.

Although you could have probably presented your argument with a little more tact, I can definitely understand where you are coming from. Similar things happen here in the states- where people are given preference or get a "break" in some fashion over other hard-working individuals. What happened in Canada (two national languages) is gradually happening in the states. Take a look at the news and you would see the drama happening in my state over immigration, ESL, etc. So, I get it. It is a valid concern when you are passed over for someone with a lower GPA or something similar. It does seem unfair. But, maybe there are some other ways that you can improve your application? Maybe some of us would have some suggestions for you.

 

[UBCpharm99]

It takes a mature person to take responsibility for their mistakes/actions/etc.

Although you could have probably presented your argument with a little more tact, I can definitely understand where you are coming from. Similar things happen here in the states- where people are given preference or get a "break" in some fashion over other hard-working individuals. What happened in Canada (two national languages) is gradually happening in the states. Take a look at the news and you would see the drama happening in my state over immigration, ESL, etc. So, I get it. It is a valid concern when you are passed over for someone with a lower GPA or something similar. It does seem unfair. But, maybe there are some other ways that you can improve your application? Maybe some of us would have some suggestions for you.

Thanks for your support.