UConn and Asians

[385835]

In the sticky thread above titled **What Schools Should I Apply To? / What Are My Chances?** (Read if this is you), it implies that UCONN tries to limit Asian students.

What have people's experiences been with this?

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[Tootyfruity]

pretty much all schools limit asians

not as an explicit directive but it's a consequence of helping under represented ethnicities

we get penalized cause there's too many of us applying

 

[periopocket]

Everything is more competitive when your asian, sucks for us!

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

pretty much all schools limit asians

not as an explicit directive but it's a consequence of helping under represented ethnicities

we get penalized cause there's too many of us applying

Penalized even more than white applicants?

 

[Kentuckylover]

Every dental school, even many colleges limit Asians. Take a look at the ADEA book. It shows how many Asians each dental school accept. It's not that many.

 

[Kentuckylover]

Penalized even more than white applicants?

About the same or worse.

 

[Tootyfruity]

Penalized even more than white applicants?

i think so anyway, but it's always easier playing the victim lol

this is sorta anecdotal, but the school i'm attending cites half its population is either women or minorities, meaning the other half is all white males

while at the interview more than half of the kids were either asian asian or brown asian

i'd be more than happy to be proven wrong if someone has something more empirical

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

i think so anyway, but it's always easier playing the victim lol

this is sorta anecdotal, but the school i'm attending cites half its population is either women or minorities, meaning the other half is all white males

while at the interview more than half of the kids were either asian asian or brown asian

i'd be more than happy to be proven wrong if someone has something more empirical

The school I'm attending has students from everywhere and has a huge Asian population. I would say a lot of schools around this area (Northeast, vibrant cities) have a huge amount of Asian students.

But what about the middle of nowhere schools? At one I interviewed at, there were three Asians (including me) out of twenty interviewees. The majority was white and the school itself is mainly white. The largest minority I think are black students. It seems weird if these schools "regulated" how many Asian students entered their class.

I almost wanted to say something like "CT has minorities?...." 😀

 

[Tootyfruity]

The school I'm attending has students from everywhere and has a huge Asian population. I would say a lot of schools around this area (Northeast, vibrant cities) have a huge amount of Asian students.

But what about the middle of nowhere schools? At one I interviewed at, there were three Asians (including me) out of twenty interviewees. The majority was white and the school itself is mainly white. The largest minority I think are black students. It seems weird if these schools "regulated" how many Asian students entered their class.

I almost wanted to say something like "CT has minorities?...." 😀

LOL you can say that about a lot of places

but ya, it probably varies from school to school depending on the demographics of their applicants

 

[385835]

There's a really easy way to solve all of this.

Eliminate all questions about race, ethnicity, and gender form the application and selection process.

 

[bhagan01]

There's a really easy way to solve all of this.
Eliminate all questions about race, ethnicity, and gender form the application and selection process.

Too bad I can't change myself to a white person for the interview/photo schools request...lol

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

There's a really easy way to solve all of this.

Eliminate all questions about race, ethnicity, and gender form the application and selection process.

What would happen to Howard and Meharry?

I think race and ethnicity can play a role in one's dental career. For example, if someone comes from a Hispanic family and grew up in a heavily Spanish speaking area, he or she may want to return and open a Spanish speaking clinic... You can take out the race bubbles on applications but people can still mention it in personal statements or EC's.

 

[385835]

That would apply to Howard and Meharry.

Fluency in a foreign language is a skill. It has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or gender. You can be of any background and speak spanish.

There are towns in New Jersey and New York where people have russian speaking or hebrew speaking dental clinics to serve the local populations. There nothing wrong with that in private practice.

In dental school admissions, all considerations should exclude race, ethnicity, and gender.

 

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[Seamonkey Doc]

That would apply to Howard and Meharry.

Fluency in a foreign language is a skill. It has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or gender.

There are towns in New Jersey and New York where people have russian speaking or hebrew speaking dental clinics to serve the local populations. There nothing wrong with that in private practice.

In dental school admissions, all considerations should exclude race, ethnicity, and gender.

It's more than just a foreign language skill though. There are tons of patients who prefer health practitioners they identify with in regards to culture or what have you.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how the classes turn out. But I have a feeling it would cause more problems. Especially with Howard and Meharry

 

[385835]

It's more than just a foreign language skill though. There are tons of patients who prefer health practitioners they identify with in regards to culture or what have you.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how the classes turn out. But I have a feeling it would cause more problems. Especially with Howard and Meharry

I agree with you that dentists of certain backgrounds can provide a level of comfort to certain patients.

But I think that benefit is tiny in comparison to the cost. The cost is that schools must institute bigotry to control the composition of its student body. Schools should not sell their souls and sacrifice qualified applicants on the alter of social engineering.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

I agree with you that dentists of certain backgrounds can provide a level of comfort to certain patients.

But I think that benefit is tiny in comparison to the cost. The cost is that schools must institute bigotry to control the composition of its student body. Schools should not sell their souls and sacrifice qualified applicants on the alter of social engineering.

There are pros and cons to both sides. However eliminating the race and gender question on an application won't be enough. People can recognize ethnicity by names. Admissions will see you when they interview you.

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

It's more than just a foreign language skill though. There are tons of patients who prefer health practitioners they identify with in regards to culture or what have you.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how the classes turn out. But I have a feeling it would cause more problems. Especially with Howard and Meharry

Consequently they also expect a little extra out of you whether it be in service or treatment discounts 😀

Your worst patients are actually your own people

 

[dantemac]

pretty much all schools limit asians

not as an explicit directive but it's a consequence of helping under represented ethnicities

we get penalized cause there's too many of us applying

Have you SEEN some of the facebook pages for the incoming classes?!? its all asian!

 

[FLOSS UR TEETH]

^ I'd have to agree with above poster, all the facebook groups I'm in have quite an abundance of Asians (perhaps flooded with). If anything, I think the white folks are takin a hit here especially when it comes to scholarships. There's not much of the other races applying, but I'm willing to bet their not taking any hits.

IMO, racial profiling is inappropriate and they shouldn't ask for race on applications. AADSAS should black out names and replace them with a code name until a decision has been made. This can help prevent them from deducing race by name. Yeah they will find out during the interview but at least it wouldn't play a factor in getting the interview and it would make the playing field more level at least in the beginning.

ADCOMS should try to focus more on quality rather than skin color. I understand they want to diverse the healthcare field, but quality should be priority. And there is quality throughout all races. They need to let the cards play out without race profiling and the healthcare field will become naturally more and more diverse.

 

[Bereno]

Have you SEEN some of the facebook pages for the incoming classes?!? its all asian!

Not gonna lie, I've FB stalked a few of those pages. Tons of Asians for sure haha

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

Have you SEEN some of the facebook pages for the incoming classes?!? its all asian!

Is it more for west coast, east coast, and TX schools? Maybe even Illinois.... These areas have a huge Asian population to begin with. Now if you're talking about middle of nowhere schools, that would be some interesting news lol

 

[budentite]

I hate to generalize about any race but the sad fact is that asians generally have more competitive stats than any other ethnic group (parental pressure is the driving force). At the same time, asians are way over-represented in dental schools, relative to the demographics in this country. The end result is that if you are asian, there are relatively plenty of spots available in d-schools, however you're not being compared to white people or under-represented minorities. As a result of affirmative action (racial profiling) it is much more competetive for asians since you are up against the other asians who also have very high stats.

And it's not as simple as eliminating the question identifying your race. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the ethnicity of a person with the last name Li, Wang, Kim, Nguyen, etc.

 

[bigbadaboom]

affirmative action is a racist policy.
it does not take into account an applicant's socioeconomic status, but rather it's solely based on an applicant's race and ethnicity.

i don't know which d school have affirmative action in place.

it's like that cupcake bake sale in Berkeley that stirred up controversy a few months ago. Cupcakes were sold at different price depending on the buyer's skin color. A black buyer will pay less and a white customer pays more. It's essentially what Affirmative Action is for admission process. What was funny they charged asian students less for the cupcakes, when it should've been opposite, especially at Berkeley.



I was on a guided tour to Australia 6 years ago. The tour guide told us that he predicts more than half if not nearly all the dentists in 20 years will be Asian. It's happening in Australia too.

 

[bigbadaboom]

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-27/...ale_1_bake-sale-baked-goods-cupcakes?_s=PM:US

 

[bigbadaboom]

AA is a racist policy. A black millionaire's kids should not have the advantage over a poor white kid.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...o-hear-UT-affirmative-action-case-3347406.php

Texas's system of automatic admission for top 10% of graduating high school class is actually not a bad idea. Top 10% in a bad school or top 10% in an affluent neighborhood, regardless of race.

 

[r2thekesh]

Have you SEEN some of the facebook pages for the incoming classes?!? its all asian!

So that might true for all the northern schools. But what's the asian count at Birmingham, Mississippi, South Carolina, Iowa, USN, Loma Linda, Meharry?
One of the other things is what your perception of looking at facebook groups is. Because of the way our brain works, we are more likely to notice the things that are different. When I look at some of the northern/east coast schools that "have tons of asians" I notice all the white people because I'm Indian. A white person might see all the people that are asian/indian. Or if you're a guy you might look at all the hot girls in the facebook groups, versus a girl might check out the hot dental guys. Unless you're sitting there counting.

 

[FLOSS UR TEETH]

So that might true for all the northern schools. But what's the asian count at Birmingham, Mississippi, South Carolina, Iowa, USN, Loma Linda, Meharry?
One of the other things is what your perception of looking at facebook groups is. Because of the way our brain works, we are more likely to notice the things that are different. When I look at some of the northern/east coast schools that "have tons of asians" I notice all the white people because I'm Indian. A white person might see all the people that are asian/indian. Or if you're a guy you might look at all the hot girls in the facebook groups, versus a girl might check out the hot dental guys. Unless you're sitting there counting.

I don't know what you are trying to say, but believe me it is not just the Northeastern schools that are filled with Asians lol...

Cough cough, Cali Cali!!!!

All those schools that you mentioned are either african american schools (Meharry) or public schools that do not accept very many OOS applicants. These public schools you mention are also in a region that has very little Asian demographics and this is why you do not see many Asian students here. Again, as mentioned before, race shouldn't even matter or come into play before qualifications but sometimes it does which is arguably unfair.

 

[Firm]

I don't know what you are trying to say, but believe me it is not just the Northeastern schools that are filled with Asians lol...

Cough cough, Cali Cali!!!!

All those schools that you mentioned are either african american schools (Meharry) or public schools that do not accept very many OOS applicants. These public schools you mention are also in a region that has very little Asian demographics and this is why you do not see many Asian students here. Again, as mentioned before, race shouldn't even matter or come into play before qualifications but sometimes it does which is arguably unfair.

Didn't they get rid of AA in California? I heard that all of the professional schools are asian now. The complaint started out with some white males that were frustrated that blacks and hispanics were getting in over them. They got rid of qoutas which actually reduced the number of white males and increased asian numbers.
If they are going to get rid of AA, then they also need to get rid of legacies and hook ups from the Admision director's nephews cousins step-son. I read somewhere that AA actually helps more white woman than any other group. I guess they don't stir up outrage. 🙄

 

[ginaych]

I thought my interview at USC was somewhat out of the ordinary because out of 20 people there was only 1 chinese, 1 filipino, 1 hispanic, 1 indian and that was it. I was expecting ~50% of asian if not more.

 

[mi2ni]

I thought my interview at USC was somewhat out of the ordinary because out of 20 people there was only 1 chinese, 1 filipino, 1 hispanic, 1 indian and that was it. I was expecting ~50% of asian if not more.

Sampling error. Diversity in the group of 20 you interviewed with does not necessarily represent that of all applicants who received interviews this cycle. Same thing can be said if you went to another interview and all applicants were Chinese.

 

[white fang]

Poor asians, 15% of the population and 50% of the dental students😛

 

[pk62281]

Poor asians, 15% of the population and 50% of the dental students😛

lol.. we also worked our asses off to make up that 50%

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

Poor asians, 15% of the population and 50% of the dental students😛

You mean 50% dental students in the U.S or 50% of dental students in CA? 😛

 

[wired202808]

lol.. we also worked our asses off to make up that 50%

true but you need diversity in every school. Its not good to have a homogeneous mix of students.

 

[white fang]

true but you need diversity in every school. Its not good to have a homogeneous mix of students.

Very true, but I imagine it gets difficult to rank students based on what they bring to the table as an applicant vs what skin color the have.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

lol.. we also worked our asses off to make up that 50%

First of all, I don't think it's 50% lol. If anyone has stats to prove it, go ahead and post them here. This is for the dental student population in the U.S, not a CA or TX school.

Nearly everyone, regardless of race, works their butts off, but not everyone gets the results that they deserve. It's also about luck and access to resources as well.

 

[white fang]

First of all, I don't think it's 50% lol. If anyone has stats to prove it, go ahead and post them here. This is for the dental student population in the U.S, not a CA or TX school.

Nearly everyone, regardless of race, works their butts off, but not everyone gets the results that they deserve. It's also about luck and access to resources as well.

T'was a joke. Though, even away from the coasts it seems to be a popular vocation for those of asian descent. For example, look at the facebook page for accepted students to Roseman of all places.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

T'was a joke. Though, even away from the coasts it seems to be a popular vocation for those of asian descent. For example, look at the facebook page for accepted students to Roseman of all places.

I figured it was a joke but some posters get very riled up overs statistics so I wanted to be safe lol.

Roseman doesn't surprise me much. If you start seeing a ton of Asians for fb groups like Kentucky, Mississippi, Iowa, Indiana, etc, then we'll talk.

 

[wired202808]

Very true, but I imagine it gets difficult to rank students based on what they bring to the table as an applicant vs what skin color the have.

i think the current standard works.

 

[white fang]

i think the current standard works.

What exactly is the current standard?

 

[budentite]

I think it's a little misleading to group all asian ethnicities into a single group. Of all those asians you see in dental school, they're predominantly Indian people, not the steryotypical korean/chinese/vietnamese students. My school had more Indians than all other asian ethnicities combined.

@BU, 40% of the DMD degrees awarded each year go to Indians (they may only make up 15% of the DMD class, but 80% of the Advanced Standing class). They are less than 1% of the US population, yet are given nearly half the degrees.

 

[wired202808]

What exactly is the current standard?

u know as well as I know. Dont try to instigate 🙂

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

I think it's a little misleading to group all asian ethnicities into a single group. Of all those asians you see in dental school, they're predominantly Indian people, not the steryotypical korean/chinese/vietnamese students. My school had more Indians than all other asian ethnicities combined.

@BU, 40% of the DMD degrees awarded each year go to Indians (they may only make up 15% of the DMD class, but 80% of the Advanced Standing class). They are less than 1% of the US population, yet are given nearly half the degrees.

Depends where you are. Once again, schools like NYU, BU, west coast schools and TX schools will have a significant Asian population whether its South Asia or East Asia.

I think most of us were aware that "Asian" was anyone with and Asian heritage, and not the "steryotypical korean/chinese/vietnamese students". South Asians (or "Indians" according to your post, despite your comment on generalizations 🙄 ) do not make up less than 1% of the population. We're talking about the U.S, not Montana.

 

[budentite]

Depends where you are. Once again, schools like NYU, BU, west coast schools and TX schools will have a significant Asian population whether its South Asia or East Asia.

I think most of us were aware that "Asian" was anyone with and Asian heritage, and not the "steryotypical korean/chinese/vietnamese students". South Asians (or "Indians" according to your post, despite your comment on generalizations 🙄 ) do not make up less than 1% of the population. We're talking about the U.S, not Montana.

I prefer facts over conjecture. From Wiki: "According to the 2010 U.S. Census,[7] the Asian Indian population in the United States grew from almost 1,678,765 in 2000 (0.6% of U.S. population) to 2,843,391 in 2010 (0.9% of U.S. population)."

So, yes, they do make up less than 1% of the US population.
btw, Montana's Desi population is 0.0006%.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

I prefer facts over conjecture. From Wiki: "According to the 2010 U.S. Census,[7] the Asian Indian population in the United States grew from almost 1,678,765 in 2000 (0.6% of U.S. population) to 2,843,391 in 2010 (0.9% of U.S. population)."

So, yes, they do make up less than 1% of the US population.
btw, Montana's Desi population is 0.0006%.

Notice how I said South Asian though and not Indian. The Indian American population may be less than 3 million as of 2010 but South Asia comprises of other countries too.

I was making a sarcastic remark about Montana. Thank you for the info lol

As for your "80% of Advanced Standing degrees go to Indians comment".... Correct me if I'm wrong, but Advanced Standing is for international dentists who want accreditation in the US. A huge chunk of international dentists come from India and South Asia. That's a different population than South Asian Americans/Canadians.

 

[bigbadaboom]

that is true for California. The two years international dental program for foreign dentists wanting to gain a USA DDS degree in California schools are also largely comprised of Indian students.


it seems like European, Asian and other parts of the world dentists are doing well enough they do not need to move to the USA for a better life.

or maybe India just graduates too many dentists.

 

[budentite]

Notice how I said South Asian though and not Indian. The Indian American population may be less than 3 million as of 2010 but South Asia comprises of other countries too.

I was making a sarcastic remark about Montana. Thank you for the info lol

As for your "80% of Advanced Standing degrees go to Indians comment".... Correct me if I'm wrong, but Advanced Standing is for international dentists who want accreditation in the US. A huge chunk of international dentists come from India and South Asia. That's a different population than South Asian Americans/Canadians.

The OP's topic was about affirmative action and over-representation of certain ethnicities in d-school.
The point of my comment was that of the total # of degrees they give out, 40% go to Indians (at BU). It's just an observation of a particular school. It doesn't remotely parallel the demographics of this country, and considering AS students are here to practice in this country, the fact that they are dentists/applicants from another country is a moot point.

The reason there are more AS applicants from India than anywhere else is because that country produces far more dentists per capita than any other country. 185 d-schools, graduating over 13,000 dentists every year. It's very oversaturated, so there are better opportunities practicing in the US.

 

[Seamonkey Doc]

The OP's topic was about affirmative action and over-representation of certain ethnicities in d-school.
The point of my comment was that of the total # of degrees they give out, 40% go to Indians (at BU). It's just an observation of a particular school. It doesn't remotely parallel the demographics of this country, and considering AS students are here to practice in this country, the fact that they are dentists/applicants from another country is a moot point.

The reason there are more AS applicants from India than anywhere else is because that country produces far more dentists per capita than any other country. 185 d-schools, graduating over 13,000 dentists every year. It's very oversaturated, so there are better opportunities practicing in the US.

Alright, I see your point that this is from BU, just one school where it's expected to have a high Asian population.

When talking about affirmative action and opinions regarding race, I don't think Advanced Standing applicants should be grouped with applicants who are applying for the traditional four year program because evaluations for the two processes are different. But that's just my opinion. Each to his own.

 

[Vaheb]

Like 45 out of 88 of the students at UCLA are Asian. It might be more.