University affiliated Vs. not

[ColinHay]

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I am making my final decisions on the rank list - what are some major differences between the university based programs and community based.
Does it really even matter?

 

[Ludicolo]

You’ll see bread and butter at both. You’ll see more zebras at the university. If you’re interested in research, choose university. If you choose community, I think you’re probably more likely to end up practicing locally/in the same state as your program. Those who choose to practice academic physiatry tend to come from university programs. My personal bias - you'll have more options available coming from a university program. But you need to factor in what's best for you.

 

[Llenroc]

If possible, always always always go to a university or university affiliated program no matter what specialty you're in.

 

[ColinHay]

If possibly possible, always always always go to a university or university affiliated program no matter what specialty you're in.

Why?

 

[Llenroc]

'Cuz. It's always been that way.

 

[MSKalltheway]

Why?

I think the perception is that, in general across specialties, at academic programs you'll see more zebras, have more/better research, and will have more options in terms of fellowships. You also may be seen as more competitive for jobs right out of residency coming from an academic institution. These are all reasons I've heard for picking academic if you can.

I dont always agree with this notion though. For instance, I have a classmate who wants to practice Family Medicine in a rural area where she grew up. It probably wouldn't behoove her to go to Columbia's FM program as she wont see the same pt population where she's going to practice.

 

[Llenroc]

This discussion is "academic" anyway. Virtually all PM&R programs are university affiliated.

For instance, I have a classmate who wants to practice Family Medicine in a rural area where she grew up. It probably wouldn't behoove her to go to Columbia's FM program as she wont see the same pt population where she's going to practice.

Bad example. There's actually lots of university Family Medicine programs with "rural tracks" 1 hour out in the country. Family Medicine is a bit different in that the university program are often less desirable, because their residencies resemble the 3rd year of medical school. The community programs are often more popular because they are at small hospitals without other specialties where the residents get to do everything themselves.

 

[MSKalltheway]

Yes, most PM&R programs are academically affiliated, so its mostly a moot point. However, I didn't bring up the greatest example, but I dont think it was a bad one either. My home institution only allows for space to do a "rural" track if one so desires for only a month or two out of the 3 years of the FM residency. This is the same thing in the world of IM (where people definitely prefer university programs if possible) at my institution if one desires general practice in a more rural setting. A month or two out in the rural community compared to the other 34+ back at your Univ hospital does not seem to me to be the ideal preparation for that environment. I'm just saying that I don't think academic programs are the cure-all depending on what you're looking for. If community residency training programs don't serve a purpose, why do they exist?

 

[ColinHay]

It is not moot as I am facing a decision on several programs that are not affiliated and I would not have brought the question up if it had no relevance.

the FM example is not great mainly because this is not FM.
Thanks for the reasonable answer though.

 

[Finally M3]

I think a University affiliation helps if you are trying to find a job in a multispecialty group or referrals (maybe)

Non-PMRs may not know wtf RIC is, but they will be suitably impressed with the Northwestern name of the program. Same with Spaulding & Harvard.

You get the drift.

 

[RUOkie]

It is not moot as I am facing a decision on several programs that are not affiliated and I would not have brought the question up if it had no relevance.

the FM example is not great mainly because this is not FM.
Thanks for the reasonable answer though.

Which programs are not University affiliated? If you would prefer not to state in in an open forum, feel free to PM.

 

[Llenroc]

Marianjoy
possibly Baylor Dallas (though it calls itself "university hospital", but the university in Dallas has its own program)
Kingsbrook Jewish?
William Beaumont (the institution is reportedly building its own medical school)
VA Caribbean?
Nassau University (like Baylor Dallas, calls itself "university", but the university it refers to SUNY Stony Brook has its own program)
JFK
Sinai Baltimore?

 

[MSKalltheway]

Sinai Baltimore is considered a community program, for verification

 

[axm397]

JFK is with UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson

 

[RUOkie]

Marianjoy
possibly Baylor Dallas (though it calls itself "university hospital", but the university in Dallas has its own program)
Kingsbrook Jewish?
William Beaumont (the institution is reportedly building its own medical school)
VA Caribbean?
Nassau University (like Baylor Dallas, calls itself "university", but the university it refers to SUNY Stony Brook has its own program)
JFK
Sinai Baltimore?

There are 2 med schools in Dallas. UT-Southwest and Baylor University school of medicine. Both have PM&R programs. Just like Houston has Baylor College of Medicine and UT-Houston (whose programs have merged)

As mentioned above JFK is affilitated with RWJ Med School (and they have a strong presence at the University level) that is where I went to med school!😀

 

[ColinHay]

so how do these progrmas stand to the more common affiliated programs?