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Anybody have any thoughts about the program? strengths, weaknesses?

I did a search which turned up a highly charged UN-LV thread, but minimal info on Reno.
 
I don't know the program personally,but I've heard its a solid and well-rounded program and much better than the one at LV. Sorry I cannot be more helpful.
 
I had interview there last year. Good people. Really lay back atmosphere. As one intern tell me, "The most hard thing is to stay in the hospital and learn after you done by noon ". Interns take calls from home and they don't need to go to the hospital at night. As I was told by chief resident their didactic is not very good but clinical experience is great. They have several hospitals such as private general (Hospital/Hotel. Can you imagine? As a casino with the LV style design, not a Bellagio but....), private psychiatric hospital, CMH and VA. All of them very nice.
 
Laid-back, Lots of time, Good staff, Alcohol-Alcohol-Alcohol
 
I'm going there soon-Nice to hear!:-D Any other information you can offer? PD seems really nice to talk to over the phone.How competitive is it?
 
I had interview there last year. Good people. Really lay back atmosphere. As one intern tell me, "The most hard thing is to stay in the hospital and learn after you done by noon ". Interns take calls from home and they don't need to go to the hospital at night. As I was told by chief resident their didactic is not very good but clinical experience is great. They have several hospitals such as private general (Hospital/Hotel. Can you imagine? As a casino with the LV style design, not a Bellagio but....), private psychiatric hospital, CMH and VA. All of them very nice.

Not having to come in at night may sound great, but you are placing yourself at a disadvantage. Coming in (and being the only psychiatrist in the hospital) at all hours of the night to see and possibly admit patients is an experience that can't be taught in a classroom.

You also really want to have that experience under your belt before you go in to moonlight somewhere or do it as an attending in four years.
 
Not having to come in at night may sound great, but you are placing yourself at a disadvantage. Coming in (and being the only psychiatrist in the hospital) at all hours of the night to see and possibly admit patients is an experience that can't be taught in a classroom.

You also really want to have that experience under your belt before you go in to moonlight somewhere or do it as an attending in four years.

Wow.. Solid, you've officially taken over the "call is a good thing" dead-horse-flogging mantle from me... I feel like there should've been a ceremony or something. There've been a few threads recently where I've wanted to break out the argument that call (with appropriate back-up) is excellent clinical experience, but just felt too jaded to bother.
 
Wow.. Solid, you've officially taken over the "call is a good thing" dead-horse-flogging mantle from me... I feel like there should've been a ceremony or something. There've been a few threads recently where I've wanted to break out the argument that call (with appropriate back-up) is excellent clinical experience, but just felt too jaded to bother.

Maybe he could call your wife at 3AM to have her offer "congratulations". :laugh:
 
Not having to come in at night may sound great, but you are placing yourself at a disadvantage. Coming in (and being the only psychiatrist in the hospital) at all hours of the night to see and possibly admit patients is an experience that can't be taught in a classroom.

You also really want to have that experience under your belt before you go in to moonlight somewhere or do it as an attending in four years.

Not trying to continue hijacking this thread, but if you put effort into every patient as if you are the only physician around, you will be a better physician and call adds nothing extra. Just my opinion.
 
Not trying to continue hijacking this thread, but if you put effort into every patient as if you are the only physician around, you will be a better physician and call adds nothing extra. Just my opinion.

Fine, but if there are 3 physicians around (let's say an intern, a resident, and an attending), and they all subscribe to your model, then the intern's not going to learn very much because the attending is going to speed up the process to their level. Call gives you the time to think through clinical situations on your own at your own speed, with back-up in place if you need it.
 
Not having to come in at night may sound great, but you are placing yourself at a disadvantage. Coming in (and being the only psychiatrist in the hospital) at all hours of the night to see and possibly admit patients is an experience that can't be taught in a classroom.

You also really want to have that experience under your belt before you go in to moonlight somewhere or do it as an attending in four years.
I didn't tell that it was good. It's just a fact. Frankly, the "lay-backnes" of the program made me to lower it's position in my rank list.
 
Nika said:
I had interview there last year. Good people. Really lay back atmosphere. As one intern tell me, "The most hard thing is to stay in the hospital and learn after you done by noon ". Interns take calls from home and they don't need to go to the hospital at night. As I was told by chief resident their didactic is not very good but clinical experience is great. They have several hospitals such as private general (Hospital/Hotel. Can you imagine? As a casino with the LV style design, not a Bellagio but....), private psychiatric hospital, CMH and VA. All of them very nice.


Eh, enough's enough.

I'm a PGY 1 at UNR. I've never had the luxury of "leaving by noon." And while the program is laid back, we still are tested, we get our clinical experience in and get our work done. All the residents that have graduated from here all are in good employment positions and the few residents that moonlight elsewhere have told me they have been able to handle anything thrown at them. I haven't spoken to one resident that's graduated from here or moonlighted elsewhere that has felt underprepared.

All the attendings here are absolutely fantastic. In addition, all of our didactics thus far have been great. Our program director is always looking for ways to improve our clinical experience and didactics. I really can't say enough about the faculty here.

Yes we have home call, but in dire situations/pure emergencies you can be called in and thus you'd be the only psychiatrist in the hospital. But I don't see how that even matters as a resident. Either way you're backed up by an attending. It's not like you completely have to make the decisions by yourself at anytime at any program as some of the in-house-call defenders claim. FWIW, My dad's a psychiatrist in CA and has taken home call during his 20+ years of service. He's never once been called in.

If anyone else has any specific questions other than just pure rumors feel free to PM me.
 
Did anyone who interviewed at Reno get a letter/email from the PD post-interview?
 
Despite starting the thread I never did get an interview... I emailed the coordinator whose name is on the website and never got a response...

I'm glad though, that there's now some info on UNR around for other applicants.
 
Not trying to continue hijacking this thread, but if you put effort into every patient as if you are the only physician around, you will be a better physician and call adds nothing extra. Just my opinion.

I've been busy and haven't had much time to browse SDN.

Let me just reply to this statement with an example.

My very first call as an intern (second week of residency) a couple came into the ER. It was a young lady with a young husband who was in the military. This was about 10pm, and a few hours earlier the woman cut her wrist which had to be bandaged but needed no stitches however. It was also not a very superficial cut and she had bled "all over the kitchen". I wouldn't have thought this way then, as I had virtually no experience but looking back this was most likely a borderline call for help type thing. She even told me in private that she felt like she was losing her relationship and wanted her husband to show her that he loved her.

Anyway, my backup was with me until about 11pm and I admitted her onto the locked unit. Well I get a page at about midnight and staff are saying that she wants to go home. Now I go upstairs (my back up is home sleeping), and with blood still on the bandages she requests to leave. Her husband is next to her and states she was still a little drunk when she signed the paper work and now wants to leave AMA.

A decision/situation like this usually doesn't happen in the daylight hours and when you are the only psychiatrist in the hospital situations like these can prepare you for a lifetime of critical psychiatric decisions. What psychiatrists have to deal with more so then other specialties is the uncertainty of an outcome. We will treat so many patients with severe depression or constant suicidal thoughts. I think it is these kinds of situations that really prepare you to deal with these problems. You are only in residency for four-five years, after that you won't have an attending looking over your shoulder.

After speaking with an attending over the phone I let her go.
 
I've been busy and haven't had much time to browse SDN.

Let me just reply to this statement with an example.

My very first call as an intern (second week of residency) a couple came into the ER. It was a young lady with a young husband who was in the military. This was about 10pm, and a few hours earlier the woman cut her wrist which had to be bandaged but needed no stitches however. It was also not a very superficial cut and she had bled "all over the kitchen". I wouldn't have thought this way then, as I had virtually no experience but looking back this was most likely a borderline call for help type thing. She even told me in private that she felt like she was losing her relationship and wanted her husband to show her that he loved her.

Anyway, my backup was with me until about 11pm and I admitted her onto the locked unit. Well I get a page at about midnight and staff are saying that she wants to go home. Now I go upstairs (my back up is home sleeping), and with blood still on the bandages she requests to leave. Her husband is next to her and states she was still a little drunk when she signed the paper work and now wants to leave AMA.

A decision/situation like this usually doesn't happen in the daylight hours and when you are the only psychiatrist in the hospital situations like these can prepare you for a lifetime of critical psychiatric decisions. What psychiatrists have to deal with more so then other specialties is the uncertainty of an outcome. We will treat so many patients with severe depression or constant suicidal thoughts. I think it is these kinds of situations that really prepare you to deal with these problems. You are only in residency for four-five years, after that you won't have an attending looking over your shoulder.

After speaking with an attending over the phone I let her go.

I've come across similar situations with our home calls. It's not like you aren't the first person told when a patient wants to leave AMA, and as I mentioned above if any situation is serious enough you still may have to come in.

Either way you still have to confirm it with the attending and you still have an attending backing you up...
 
I've come across similar situations with our home calls. It's not like you aren't the first person told when a patient wants to leave AMA, and as I mentioned above if any situation is serious enough you still may have to come in.

Either way you still have to confirm it with the attending and you still have an attending backing you up...

It may boil down to the quantity of these types of calls your residency is asking you to make. During my residency almost all of the patients we saw overnight were pretty complex, so if we had home call it seems like we'd be driving in anyway. If the cases coming into your ED aren't complex enough to warrant being seen in person by a resident, then it may be that there's an educational ceiling to the cases you're seeing. Experience is ultimately a function of both volume and complexity.
 
I've come across similar situations with our home calls. It's not like you aren't the first person told when a patient wants to leave AMA, and as I mentioned above if any situation is serious enough you still may have to come in.

Either way you still have to confirm it with the attending and you still have an attending backing you up...

Well you are the only person the matters when it comes to these kinds of decisions, at least that's how it plays out in court when we are grown up attendings.

Given the situation, I just don't see any way that I could have let her go home without physically assessing the entire situation. If I was limited to talking with the staff (home call) over the phone and a decision needed to be made, the only decision I could make in this instance is to let her stay on the unit. If you think you can let someone who harmed themselves leave a psychiatric unit without seeing them, you are simply putting your license at risk.
 
I've been busy and haven't had much time to browse SDN.

Let me just reply to this statement with an example.

My very first call as an intern (second week of residency) a couple came into the ER. It was a young lady with a young husband who was in the military. This was about 10pm, and a few hours earlier the woman cut her wrist which had to be bandaged but needed no stitches however. It was also not a very superficial cut and she had bled "all over the kitchen". I wouldn't have thought this way then, as I had virtually no experience but looking back this was most likely a borderline call for help type thing. She even told me in private that she felt like she was losing her relationship and wanted her husband to show her that he loved her.

Anyway, my backup was with me until about 11pm and I admitted her onto the locked unit. Well I get a page at about midnight and staff are saying that she wants to go home. Now I go upstairs (my back up is home sleeping), and with blood still on the bandages she requests to leave. Her husband is next to her and states she was still a little drunk when she signed the paper work and now wants to leave AMA.

A decision/situation like this usually doesn't happen in the daylight hours and when you are the only psychiatrist in the hospital situations like these can prepare you for a lifetime of critical psychiatric decisions. What psychiatrists have to deal with more so then other specialties is the uncertainty of an outcome. We will treat so many patients with severe depression or constant suicidal thoughts. I think it is these kinds of situations that really prepare you to deal with these problems. You are only in residency for four-five years, after that you won't have an attending looking over your shoulder.

After speaking with an attending over the phone I let her go.


Hmmmm... these kind of situations prepare you to deal with these problems? I sort of don't get the moral of your story, you let her go because... the attending knew what they were doing? She was just a 'drunk borderline' and thus was ok to let go? Only in your second week of residency? Obviously, the heart of spirit of your post (though not clear totally for myself) is that the in house call trains your clinical acumen for later.

Perhaps it's my home-caller yokel psychiatry silliness, but someone bleeding everywhere in her kitchen has bought herself a night away (at least) from sharp things. There's no way I need to see her in person to tell the staff she'll have to wait (until the morning to be seen). Obviously, there are many different scenarios in treatment settings, so I think this could sound as coming off harsh... but I'm still left with the feeling that something needs to be said here.

I think part of what the difference in postings is... there's a dichotomy between people on home call type residencies vs I'm in the psych ED branch of the medical hospital overnight in a downtown metropolis type residency q4 during my first two years... Nevada may be unique but does not appear to be the exclusive holder of this idea, such as my residency in the west, which possesses the idea that most major issues can be handled by phone and an appropriately trained psych nursing staff (generally better than your first week interns)...

Clearly I'm biased, I know... food for thought... I was recently called by new staff (I'm in my third year) to come in and deal with a demanding spouse of a "high profile patient"... they wanted to check out on a saturday night... after all, there was a rave in town. "Um, no." I told the nurse, "Besides that rave sucks and I'm already going and it would just be too awkward to see her there." Just kidding... it would've been okay to see her there probably...😀

You may consider cautious determination of whether a person with slit wrists should go in the middle of the night an experience that is denied to us home callers, and I will tell you that no part of me feels unprepared (when on the many situations, moonlighting or other) for the future. Life or death decisions in the middle of the night are for people with higher insurance premiums (and more respect from the hierarchy of medicine).

...Maybe I harbor a secret jealousy to be as experienced as the q4 overnighter, those hardworking cash machines for their hospital based programs...I know I wish that for much of my first two years after medical school I'd be plagued with fatigue and irritability from a true inhouse call experience (though that's still a given on 1st year medicine rotations), ...oh well, don't dwell...

I recognize this might sound terrible and self-congratulating, thereby downplaying the hard work, sweat, blood and life some residents give towards their career, I apologize, for you do the Lord's work. Just food for thought... shouldn't we be better treated sometimes, even as residents?

also, defending yourself on the stand from lawyers seems to be an easy thing to prevent: no borderlines, live in a state where suing for suicide is difficult, and oh yeah, don't practice.
 
It may boil down to the quantity of these types of calls your residency is asking you to make. During my residency almost all of the patients we saw overnight were pretty complex, so if we had home call it seems like we'd be driving in anyway. If the cases coming into your ED aren't complex enough to warrant being seen in person by a resident, then it may be that there's an educational ceiling to the cases you're seeing. Experience is ultimately a function of both volume and complexity.

Reminds me of Malcolm Gladwell's recent book, "Outliers", where he discusses the need to work at something for 10,000 hours to become an "expert".....Let's see, very rough numbers...60 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, 4 years of resdency = 12,000 hours....Bill Gates, The Beatles, Mozart and others got in the 10,000 hours before their fame and fortunes...

http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/2008/11/17/outliers-10000-hours-for-success/

and our beloved friends at the CIA have a similar take:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...s/csi-studies/studies/vol47no1/article06.html
 
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Reminds me of Malcolm Gladwell's recent book, "Outliers", where he discusses the need to work at something for 10,000 hours to become an "expert".....Let's see, very rough numbers...60 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, 4 years of resdency = 12,000 hours....Bill Gates, The Beatles, Mozart and others got in the 10,000 hours before their fame and fortunes...

http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/2008/11/17/outliers-10000-hours-for-success/

and our beloved friends at the CIA have a similar take:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...s/csi-studies/studies/vol47no1/article06.html

I actually had the same association when reading Outliers. Being a psychiatrist is pretty much the only thing I've practised for more than 10,000 hours, and it's really the only thing I consider myself "expert" at.
 
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