UNLVSOD students' names released in LV Review Journal

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Ouch . . . blackballed . . . not that they don't deserve it.

Why does that guy's name have "Speedy" in the middle of it? That's kind of bizarre that they'd put that in the article. Also, it looks like every person is a male (except maybe Arin).
 
NVDental said:
The Las Vegas Review Journal just released the names of students who were allegedly involved in the UNLVSOD cheating incident. Here is a link to today's article.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-23-Fri-2006/news/8114567.html

I am not defending these students who felt the need to cheat the system, but on the otherhand what good does this article do for the school and the profession itself. I thought the school did not release these names and who are these supposid source that leaked the names to begin with. What happens if these names listed are wrong!
 
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So what happens to these students when they apply for licensing in Nevada, are they automatically disqualified?
 
hockeydentist said:
I am not defending these students who felt the need to cheat the system, but on the otherhand what good does this article do for the school and the profession itself. I thought the school did not release these names and who are these supposid source that leaked the names to begin with. What happens if these names listed are wrong!


Power of the press I guess. I think the names came from UNLV itself and it sounds like they have been released to the public as common knowledge. I think most of these guys will get through this and in 3-10 years no one will even remember what happened, who they were, etc.
 
NVDental said:
The Las Vegas Review Journal just released the names of students who were allegedly involved in the UNLVSOD cheating incident. Here is a link to today's article.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-23-Fri-2006/news/8114567.html

Can't wait to see the entire report of these "CHEATING STUDENTS" especially when I see something like this in the newspaper;

"According to a source, XXXXXX is the "least guilty" of the offending students. His records showed he had one forged signature, which he didn't initiate.

"Another student authorized it before he could stop him," the source said. "He didn't use it in a clinical setting."

XXXXXX should for sure be made to repeat his fourth year, maybe his third too. HE REALLY CHEATED! He had one forged signature that another student put in the computer before he could stop him.

Obviously this single isolated act, in which the student himself was at best minimally involved certainly cries out for a public hanging.

It's like I maintained all along, everyone has been given the same punishment, when the information I had said that there were differing degrees of involvement.

How would any of you like it if you had completed all 4 years of your education without a glitch, passed all of your boards, had 6 weeks to go until graduation, and then a classmate uses your computer and signs you in with a password that turns out they were not authorized to use.

Now you are labeled a CHEATER, and your license, your career, and your reputation are all in the toilet. However, you still have that massive student loan to pay off.

SOUNDS FAIR TO ME!

DRJIC
 
The main purpose of authoritative justice is to preempt citizens from taking matters into their own hands. Some may think the meted out punishments are too lax, others too harsh, and still others just right. Never the less, as civilized folks, we are expected to accept such justice with a certain amount of grace and decorum. Grievances should be addressed via the available judicial and political routes.
 
groundhog said:
The main purpose of authoritative justice is to preempt citizens from taking matters into their own hands. Some may think the meted out punishments are too lax, others too harsh, and still others just right. Never the less, as civilized folks, we are expected to accept such justice with a certain amount of grace and decorum. Grievances should be addressed via the available judicial and political routes.

I believe you are absolutely right. That is probably why the 10 students involved accepted the decision of the Dean of the UNLV Dental School Administration. As far as I know, none of them appealed the punishment that was deemed appropriate by the Dean of UNLV School of Dental Medicine.

The only one who is not accepting the "justice with a certain amount of grace and decorum," hence by your definition, not acting as "civilized folks." Is the administration of the University of Nevada Las Vegas; Chancellor Rogers and Board of Regents.

"Regents Chairman Brett Whipple said the board will wait to see what Rogers' investigation turns up before weighing in on the issue.

"I'm in a wait-and-see mode at this point," he said.

But a number of regents have expressed concerns that they were not notified earlier of the incident, Whipple said.

Rogers said he doesn't know what, if any, further actions might be taken against the students if the investigation finds that the punishment levied so far is inadequate.

"Nobody's explained that to me yet, but we'll find out," he said."

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So apparently, Rogers is not content to be satisfied with the punishment handed down by the Dean of the Dental School, Dean Carr. Rogers, is not accepting "such justice with a certain amount of grace and decorum."

As a matter of fact, by his own words, Rogers seems to indicate that his bent towards this is not objective when it was reported that he stated: "Rogers said he doesn't know what, if any, further actions might be taken against the students if the investigation finds that the punishment levied so far is inadequate."

Well what, if any, further actions might be taken if the investigation finds that the punishment levied so far against some individuals is inappropriate and overly punitive?

I guess that tells us that this will not be an objective investigation, because Rogers has already decided, even though he claims to not know all of the facts, that these students, at the very least, deserve what they got, and may need MORE, not LESS punishment.

"How many times do I have to ask you to give me some bigger rocks?"

DRJIC
 
groundhog said:
The main purpose of authoritative justice is to preempt citizens from taking matters into their own hands. Some may think the meted out punishments are too lax, others too harsh, and still others just right. Never the less, as civilized folks, we are expected to accept such justice with a certain amount of grace and decorum. Grievances should be addressed via the available judicial and political routes.

Yes, that's what we ought to do as individuals, however those in positions of power within the university system must certainly make this a long and drawn out affair so as to give the appearance of blah, blah, blah...
 
1992Corolla said:
I think the names came from UNLV itself and it sounds like they have been released to the public as common knowledge.
I read it as they were given under the table? Maybe I am wrong.
 
unlvdmd said:
I read it as they were given under the table? Maybe I am wrong.

OH! I could be wrong too, that was the impression I got...here we go causing more rumors 😱 😀
 
I don't think the school would formally give out the names, as it would expose them to legal action. I'm sure it was given by other students, faculty, disgruntled employees, or sources who were promised anonymity.

The newspaper probably has to have three independent confirmations before they publish the information.

DRJIC
 
I thought it was strange that they put one student as "minimally involved" but yet failed to mention one student had the password used on only one procedure (vs multiple like that others) I believe it was a prophy for his wife that was already done. Are they gonna put what EVERYONE did or just lead us to believe that the rest of the 10 were the original "discoveres of the goods?"
 
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hockeydentist said:
I am not defending these students who felt the need to cheat the system, but on the otherhand what good does this article do for the school and the profession itself. I thought the school did not release these names and who are these supposid source that leaked the names to begin with. What happens if these names listed are wrong!
amen on that! am sorry for the students...its such an ethical challenge to decide if these students deserve this or not? do you think they should be forgiven with a warning?
 
It appears that this article will be the last one on this matter. I guess the only remaining issue is if these students will be granted licensure.

Jun. 24, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

UNLV inquiry backs decision to let dental students graduate

By K.C. HOWARD
REVIEW-JOURNAL
The decision by UNLV officials to allow 10 dental school students who cheated to receive diplomas was upheld Friday by a Nevada System of Higher Education internal investigation.

A report on the investigation released Friday evening states it is unlikely any patients were put in danger when 10 students in the dental school's first graduating class electronically falsified the signature of a part-time faculty member on patient records, transcripts and other university documents.

The report was written by Bart Patterson, deputy chief general counsel for the system, and reviewed by Dan Klaich, the system's vice chancellor of legal affairs, and Bret Whipple, Board of Regents chairman.

The system launched an investigation into the dental school after the Review-Journal reported on the falsified signatures, which the students carried out using a stolen computer password.

Typically, every aspect of patient care provided by students is approved by a supervising faculty member. A faculty member electronically checks off steps students complete before, during and after a dental procedure.

In the case of the 10 students, "the vast majority of the work was appropriately approved, keeping in mind that an average of over 1,000 checks are required in the fourth year" of dental school, Patterson wrote in the report.

"What this tells me is that either the students did not comprehend the importance of all the checks and/or they were simply unwilling to undertake all of the effort required to locate an appropriate faculty member."

The majority of instances in which the password was misused were "housekeeping matters," conducted during clinical hours or immediately after, according to the report. These included final approval of procedures, treatment notes and diagnoses that had already been entered into records and that licensed physicians were most likely present for when the students did the work.

There was no evidence that students altered their grades or received any financial benefit, the report stated.

"These types of administrative approvals did not impact the immediate care of a patient," Patterson wrote.

Patterson said he didn't know how the students obtained the password, but said he "suspected" they stole it by looking over the instructor's shoulder.

There were a few instances when some of the 10 students under investigation misused the signature to start procedures or to discharge a patient, a finding that concerned Patterson. He said the school is reviewing each patient chart with a signature irregularity.

"At the very least, this could create an issue for the licensed instructor because if the care was ever called into question, the records would not reflect appropriate review and approval," Patterson wrote.

Among recommendations Patterson proposed are: initiating more frequent chart audits; reviewing and enhancing computer security; and issuing letters of good standing to the graduates not involved in the cheating.

UNLV attorney Richard Linstrom said Friday that school officials are working to implement all recommendations.

President Carol Harter, along with interim Dean Richard Carr, approved sanctions that included 1,500 hours of community service for each student during the next five years. In addition, the students will have a 30-day suspension placed on their permanent record, which will be reviewed by state licensing bodies and could lead to their license applications being rejected.

An honors council originally recommended Carr require the students to repeat the academic year or pay a $75,000 fine and do 1,000 hours of community service.

"It was interim Dean Carr's judgment that performing substantial hours of community service in the form of free dental work for under-served populations would be of greater benefit to the community than requiring students to spend an additional approximately 820 clock hours repeating a fourth year," Patterson wrote.

Fines were not allowed under school policies, so Carr added another 500 hours to the council's recommendation.

The students, faculty and administrators involved in the disciplinary process are in the best position to judge the character of the students, Patterson said.

Patterson, however, concluded that courts would have likely upheld expulsions in this case.

He also found that the Nevada Board of Dental Examiners' penalties for practicing dentists who alter patient records, mostly billing matters, received $1,000 to $20,000 fines and/or community service. Patterson deemed Carr's 1,500-hour sanctions comparable.

Chancellor Jim Rogers had yet to read the report Friday, but at first blush he said he would have sought more stringent punishment.

"On things like this, on cheating, I may be a little more severe than other people; but I would have done more than require them to do 1,500 hours of community service," Rogers said. "Because my guess is the 1,500 hours they'll do will probably help them in their practice."

The 10 students have been an embarrassment to system officials, who were not aware of the scandal before the media made it public, Rogers said.

"The institutions, especially UNLV, in its isolationist approach, probably did itself a great disservice by not calling on the chancellor's office and saying, 'Look, here's what's going on. Do you have any advice,' that sort of thing," Rogers said. "It sure as hell would have been helpful had they called on regents."

Though the Board of Regents is not authorized to increase the sanctions against the students, Regent Steve Sisolak called for the students' expulsion.

The students can appeal to the university president after two years to have the suspension removed from their academic record, Sisolak said.

"They (UNLV officials) haven't gotten to the bottom of how they got the damn password to begin with. First they stole; then they cheated."

The UNLV general counsel's office will track the students' community service hours, which Sisolak noted would be an added cost to taxpayers.

Sisolak said he plans to review the school to ensure the university isn't giving out dental degrees arbitrarily.

Whipple said he felt the report vindicated the university's response and added assurances that patient care wasn't compromised.

"A number of regents wanted to do a special meeting right away," Whipple said. "But I think the report is fairly thorough. I think it's a positive report actually."
 
Well, I must say, I'm glad to see this may be finally ending. It's so easy to point a finger when someone makes a mistake. We are all so perfect! Yeah, it was wrong, but I've heard lots of stories of people doing worse stuff, like cheating on the WREB, National Boards and competencies. And they laugh it off. They think it's funny. They put patient lives in danger, the 10 UNLV guys didn't.

Before anyone throws anymore stones, they should check themselves out first.
 
Junior Mint said:
Well, I must say, I'm glad to see this may be finally ending. It's so easy to point a finger when someone makes a mistake. We are all so perfect! Yeah, it was wrong, but I've heard lots of stories of people doing worse stuff, like cheating on the WREB, National Boards and competencies. And they laugh it off. They think it's funny. They put patient lives in danger, the 10 UNLV guys didn't.

Before anyone throws anymore stones, they should check themselves out first.
I disagree - I think there's a difference between making an honest mistake, and intentional deceit. Whether lives are in danger or not, intentional cheating or deceit on this level says something about a person's character. If I were a dentist looking to hire an associate out of UNLV, you can bet I'd want to know who cheated and who didn't, regardless of how minor their cheating was.
 
Favorable information re: the students doesn't sell newspapers. We need scandal! LVRJ might as well be the National Enquirer.
 
Typo said:
I disagree - I think there's a difference between making an honest mistake, and intentional deceit. Whether lives are in danger or not, intentional cheating or deceit on this level says something about a person's character. If I were a dentist looking to hire an associate out of UNLV, you can bet I'd want to know who cheated and who didn't, regardless of how minor their cheating was.

I agree as well. People here sidelined the main issue: STUDENTS CHEATING! Users here made ignorant comments like, "they didn't know they were not allowed to use the passwords" to "its an attempt to ruin the LDS image" crap like that. I am glad they are all named, and I hope they don't get to practice anymore. No one benefits from cheating, neither the student nor the system. There I said my 2 cents, I am done with this issue.
 
What's the big deal about names of 10 thieves (or low lives) who brought dentistry down is published by a newspaper? As a minimum punishment they should be repeating the last year of dental school and of course pay the regular tution for that year. I bet this lot will recourse to similar or worse practice in future professional career. May be all state boards should be informed so that a red flag is up against those 10 names wherever they practice in future.

rahmed
 
It's probably bad influences from all those casinos in Las Vegas :laugh: :laugh:
 
sweetgemini said:
Users here made ignorant comments like, "they didn't know they were not allowed to use the passwords" to "its an attempt to ruin the LDS image" crap like that.
So was it a bunch of LDS guys? I thought the last name Ludlow looked suspicious . . .
 
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