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Hi guys,

I am trying to decide between UCSF and UOP (Union city) AEGD program. I was wondering which one would be better and what you guys think. Both school have good aegd program

Thanks for your help ...
 
Hi guys,

I am trying to decide between UCSF and UOP (Union city) AEGD program. I was wondering which one would be better and what you guys think. Both school have good aegd program

Thanks for your help ...


Hi

I am wondering which school you ended up choosing and why? I am interested in both ucsf (pittsburg or ucsf site) and uop (union city)

thanks
 
Hi

I am wondering which school you ended up choosing and why? I am interested in both ucsf (pittsburg or ucsf site) and uop (union city)

thanks

Hi DentistaLatina,

I drop by in student doctor forum to check posts once in a while and happened to see your post regarding the UCSF AEGD program. I am the UCSF AEGD site director at Pittsburg, so if you were interested in finding out more about what our clinic and the UCSF/LMC AEGD has to offer, you can email me at [email protected]. Are you a student at UCSF currently?

Dr. Gordon Lai
 
Hi I just wanted to follow up on my post, a year and a half later, incase anyone else has been searching for the same question. Since I know its application season.

I am currently a resident at the UCSF AEGD program in Pittsburg, CA.I am about 4 months into the program and am very happy that I chose/got chosen for this site. I think I am getting a great experience along with great guidance. There are many providers at this site (including specialist) so there is always someones brain to pick and someone to ask for help. I figured it would be easiest to write a list of why I like the program.
-There is a surplus of patients so you never have to worry about not having something to do.
-always a prosthodontist available
-always someone available for endo
- pediatric dentist and periodontist also available
-get your own assistant
-all the providers you work with are helpful
-many complicated tx plans to learn from
-laser availabe to use
-microscope available to use
So far I have done over 100 ext's (including simple and surgical), 3 complete anterior RCT, 1 molar RCT,, over 10 pulpectomies, 1 implant restoration, working on about 10 complete/RPD cases, and about 3 crowns. Now that I am getting more into the program many of my patients are moving into phase II of their treatment (crowns,bridges, rpd/dentures) and also Dr. Lai (the director) is giving us more complicated cases. I am currently working on a bridge from 6-11, my co-resident restored an implant bridge, and we are getting into smile design and full mouth rehab cases. Overall I think its a great experience and everyday I am starting to feel like an actual dentist who knows what they are doing 🙂 My favorite part is having so many providers/specialist there to collaborate with, so you know you are learning the right thing (about 6-8 Dr.'s on any given day). You are not just guessing by yourself. Anyways I can go on but the best thing to do if you are interested in the program is to come check it out for yourself. The director is always welcoming of students coming to visit. I hope this was helpful. i will try and check back occasionally on this thread if anyone wants to post questions.

Melanie
 
DentistaLatina,
Thank you for your post, I recently had posted another thread asking about info regarding the UCSF/LMC AEGD program vs the UOP program and I'm thankful to see someone reply with some info about these programs! It seems like the Pittsburg site you are at is a good site, and I'm impressed that you are able to do a wide variety of procedures with alot of faculty support as compared to some other LMC sites I've read about on SDN especially in a community clinic setting. I will try to contact the program director and see if I can get more info about your site as well!
 
I usually don't write posts but I've been inspired by the events of today to talk about my experiences at La Clinica- Pittsburg. Like Melanie (above), I've been in this residency for the last 4 months. This is just a day in the life of a resident...

My first patient of the day needed a 3 unit bridge, from #7-9. She was previously seen by another provider in the clinic, and after the provider discussed the case with the director, Dr. Lai, scheduled the patient in my schedule for me to start on the bridge. The provider had already discussed alternatives options and fees with the patient and everything was taken care of. The patient was good to go. I was unprepared to see the patient as it was my first time interacting with the patient. I briefly discussed the case with Dr. Lai prior to starting and he guided me through what I need, even suggesting what order I should do things to get moving: Photographs, anesthetize the pt, triple bite impression for temp fabrication then start. He suggested I prep #7 and 9 first prior to extracting #8 so that there would be less blood to work with. He also brainstormed ways in which I could fabricate the temp after #8 had been taken out and suggested that I try putting a rubber dam on so that the extraction site would be blocked. Right before I started the prep, he sat down with the patient examined her with me. He asked me probing questions about what I expect to encounter during the procedure and patiently waited for me to closely examine my patient's dentition. Finally, I noticed that #7 was rotated and chipped and #10 was lingually offset from the central incisors. He explained to me how my prep for #7 would change due to the rotation and how I needed to discuss with my patient the need for #10 restoration/crown since after the fabrication of the bridge by the lab, #10 may look out of place and may not be in harmony with the other teeth. As I worked on the treatment (with my mind frazzled from trying to do the prep, extraction, and temp in my scheduled 2 hours), I would periodically check in with Dr. Lai and he would give me suggestions on what I could do, including take intraoral photos and placing the composite on the temp to even out the bridge so that the patient can have a better idea of what the outcome would look like. Luckily (or not, depending on how you look at it), my other patients for the morning were no-shows and I was able to spend time with the patent to do a good job. BUT had my other patients shown up, I could have asked one of the other providers to see if they could see my patient. That would not be a problem at all. After the appointment, Dr. Lai sat down and discussed the case with me and asked me how I could have approached the case differently. He had recently provided online lectures on staging comprehensive treat from his own resources for us residents to watch. Referencing these lectures, we discussed the need to take study models prior to treatment and possibly having a case wax up ready to present to the patient prior to the appt. He explained why presenting a comprehensive plan to the patient prior to treatment would help us anticipate treatment sequences and allow the patient to make informed decisions on her overall dentition and allows us to optimize her results.

That was just the morning.

In the afternoon, I had a pulpectomy scheduled. Usually prior to endo cases, Dr. Lai likes to go over x-rays and discuss treatment strategies prior to starting treatment. He usually asks how we're going to access the tooth, whether we're going to be using a rubber dam for caries removal or to access the pulp, and which rotary file system we'll be using (we have many to choose from including pro taper, vortex, GTX, wave one..) If we have any problems at all during the procedure, we can usually page him and even if he's with another patient, he would take a break from the patient and check up on us. The wait time is usually quick, like 5 mins at most.

Either way, my pulpectomy didn't show up.

I ended up seeing an emergency exam. My pt. was 5 years old. Her mom was concerned because #24 was growing in lingual to #O and tooth wasn't loose. I didn't really know what to say to the patient. My prior peds experience was rather limited. I ended up discussing the case with Dr. Lai and another general dentist provider. They told me that it's normal and that the tooth would eventually loosen. It would be worrisome if the child was older and the tooth is still retained with no movement. I promptly conveyed everything to Mom and they left satisfied. Had I not been able to turn to Dr. Lai, there is also a pediatric dentist in the program that would welcome any pediatric questions.

The last patient of the day was a complicated case. The patient had GERDS and heavy bruxism, wearing his teeth down to little nubs. He wanted to fix his front teeth. There's so much we could do for the patient, including full mouth reconstruction, which would include crowning most teeth and opening up his VDO. I discussed case extensively with Dr. lai, trying to consider which teeth may need RCTs, which teeth may be unrestorable, which teeth can get away with a build up and crown. We made plans for the most ideal treatment and another based on financial limitations. Even though the patient decided to go through the less expensive denture route, the treatment planning has been extremely valuable as I can factor in some of the problems while fabricating the dentures. For the rest of the treatment, I took centric relation records and face bow records. For CR, I used the leaf gauge technique, which is something that we just learned about yesterday when we watched a video on taking centric relation while sitting with Dr. Lai and peppering him with questions. For the face bow record, I used the Koi panadent system (again, we had recently been sent online videos on how to use the system). I wasn't too sure about whether I was taking the face bow record correctly, so Dr. Lai walked me through the procedure on the patient. At the end of the day, I was ready to run home. But Dr. Lai stopped me right before I dismissed the patient and asked whether I had taken any intramural photos of the case. It wasn't actually necessary, but he wanted me to practice my intra-oral photography skills. I'm so glad I did it because now I would be able to present the case for the residency case report if I wanted to. Since I was unsure about how to proceed with immediate dentures, I asked a prosthodontist for help with phasing treatment and she listed the steps that would be needed, including when to take out teeth, how long would have to wait, what other prosth steps would be needed next, etc.

This is just one day in my yearlong residency here. If you were to visit for just an hour or two, you may miss all of the great interactions between us residents and the other dentists. It really goes to show how much you're really learning and how supportive everyone in the program is. You get a sense that people here are trying to do the best they can for patients, even when factoring in financial limitations. I'm proud of the quality work that gets done here. You never get a sense that people are just doing work just to get by. Each procedure, no matter how big or small, gets carefully thought out.

At the end of the day, I got a text from the director, "Btw forgot to tell you good job today with all the complicated prosth cases you had, you handled them well!" (Awwwee, shucks)
 
I usually don't write posts but I've been inspired by the events of today to talk about my experiences at La Clinica- Pittsburg. Like Melanie (above), I've been in this residency for the last 4 months. This is just a day in the life of a resident...

My first patient of the day needed a 3 unit bridge, from #7-9. She was previously seen by another provider in the clinic, and after the provider discussed the case with the director, Dr. Lai, scheduled the patient in my schedule for me to start on the bridge. The provider had already discussed alternatives options and fees with the patient and everything was taken care of. The patient was good to go. I was unprepared to see the patient as it was my first time interacting with the patient. I briefly discussed the case with Dr. Lai prior to starting and he guided me through what I need, even suggesting what order I should do things to get moving: Photographs, anesthetize the pt, triple bite impression for temp fabrication then start. He suggested I prep #7 and 9 first prior to extracting #8 so that there would be less blood to work with. He also brainstormed ways in which I could fabricate the temp after #8 had been taken out and suggested that I try putting a rubber dam on so that the extraction site would be blocked. Right before I started the prep, he sat down with the patient examined her with me. He asked me probing questions about what I expect to encounter during the procedure and patiently waited for me to closely examine my patient's dentition. Finally, I noticed that #7 was rotated and chipped and #10 was lingually offset from the central incisors. He explained to me how my prep for #7 would change due to the rotation and how I needed to discuss with my patient the need for #10 restoration/crown since after the fabrication of the bridge by the lab, #10 may look out of place and may not be in harmony with the other teeth. As I worked on the treatment (with my mind frazzled from trying to do the prep, extraction, and temp in my scheduled 2 hours), I would periodically check in with Dr. Lai and he would give me suggestions on what I could do, including take intraoral photos and placing the composite on the temp to even out the bridge so that the patient can have a better idea of what the outcome would look like. Luckily (or not, depending on how you look at it), my other patients for the morning were no-shows and I was able to spend time with the patent to do a good job. BUT had my other patients shown up, I could have asked one of the other providers to see if they could see my patient. That would not be a problem at all. After the appointment, Dr. Lai sat down and discussed the case with me and asked me how I could have approached the case differently. He had recently provided online lectures on staging comprehensive treat from his own resources for us residents to watch. Referencing these lectures, we discussed the need to take study models prior to treatment and possibly having a case wax up ready to present to the patient prior to the appt. He explained why presenting a comprehensive plan to the patient prior to treatment would help us anticipate treatment sequences and allow the patient to make informed decisions on her overall dentition and allows us to optimize her results.

That was just the morning.

In the afternoon, I had a pulpectomy scheduled. Usually prior to endo cases, Dr. Lai likes to go over x-rays and discuss treatment strategies prior to starting treatment. He usually asks how we're going to access the tooth, whether we're going to be using a rubber dam for caries removal or to access the pulp, and which rotary file system we'll be using (we have many to choose from including pro taper, vortex, GTX, wave one..) If we have any problems at all during the procedure, we can usually page him and even if he's with another patient, he would take a break from the patient and check up on us. The wait time is usually quick, like 5 mins at most.

Either way, my pulpectomy didn't show up.

I ended up seeing an emergency exam. My pt. was 5 years old. Her mom was concerned because #24 was growing in lingual to #O and tooth wasn't loose. I didn't really know what to say to the patient. My prior peds experience was rather limited. I ended up discussing the case with Dr. Lai and another general dentist provider. They told me that it's normal and that the tooth would eventually loosen. It would be worrisome if the child was older and the tooth is still retained with no movement. I promptly conveyed everything to Mom and they left satisfied. Had I not been able to turn to Dr. Lai, there is also a pediatric dentist in the program that would welcome any pediatric questions.

The last patient of the day was a complicated case. The patient had GERDS and heavy bruxism, wearing his teeth down to little nubs. He wanted to fix his front teeth. There's so much we could do for the patient, including full mouth reconstruction, which would include crowning most teeth and opening up his VDO. I discussed case extensively with Dr. lai, trying to consider which teeth may need RCTs, which teeth may be unrestorable, which teeth can get away with a build up and crown. We made plans for the most ideal treatment and another based on financial limitations. Even though the patient decided to go through the less expensive denture route, the treatment planning has been extremely valuable as I can factor in some of the problems while fabricating the dentures. For the rest of the treatment, I took centric relation records and face bow records. For CR, I used the leaf gauge technique, which is something that we just learned about yesterday when we watched a video on taking centric relation while sitting with Dr. Lai and peppering him with questions. For the face bow record, I used the Koi panadent system (again, we had recently been sent online videos on how to use the system). I wasn't too sure about whether I was taking the face bow record correctly, so Dr. Lai walked me through the procedure on the patient. At the end of the day, I was ready to run home. But Dr. Lai stopped me right before I dismissed the patient and asked whether I had taken any intramural photos of the case. It wasn't actually necessary, but he wanted me to practice my intra-oral photography skills. I'm so glad I did it because now I would be able to present the case for the residency case report if I wanted to. Since I was unsure about how to proceed with immediate dentures, I asked a prosthodontist for help with phasing treatment and she listed the steps that would be needed, including when to take out teeth, how long would have to wait, what other prosth steps would be needed next, etc.

This is just one day in my yearlong residency here. If you were to visit for just an hour or two, you may miss all of the great interactions between us residents and the other dentists. It really goes to show how much you're really learning and how supportive everyone in the program is. You get a sense that people here are trying to do the best they can for patients, even when factoring in financial limitations. I'm proud of the quality work that gets done here. You never get a sense that people are just doing work just to get by. Each procedure, no matter how big or small, gets carefully thought out.

At the end of the day, I got a text from the director, "Btw forgot to tell you good job today with all the complicated prosth cases you had, you handled them well!" (Awwwee, shucks)

Dinhtista, thanks for sharing your experiences at the UCSF/LMC Pitttsburg site- i appreciate you taking the time to detail what a day at your site looks like and based on what you shared, it seems like your site has alot of what I am looking for in an AEGD program including a director that seems to really care about his residents. Still hoping someone who reads this thread can chime in about the other ucsf sites or about uop as well.
 
If you would like more information about the UCSF AEGD program in Pittsburg, feel free to email me at farmerginadds@gmail. I was previously one of the attendings for this program.
 
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