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[krix]

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Hey there everyone.... Got another question(s).

How does the medical school system in the U.S work? Like in Australia, after high school, you can take an undergraduate program in medicine then continue graduate in medicine.... Right? Is the system in the U.S different? I read that you couldn't go straight to medicine? Is that true? I don't really get how that works. Are the systems in the U.K or Canada any different? If someone could explain this to me, that would be really helpful.

many thanks 😀

 

[deleted357625]

Hey there everyone.... Got another question(s).

How does the medical school system in the U.S work? Like in Australia, after high school, you can take an undergraduate program in medicine then continue graduate in medicine.... Right? Is the system in the U.S different? I read that you couldn't go straight to medicine? Is that true? I don't really get how that works. Are the systems in the U.K or Canada any different? If someone could explain this to me, that would be really helpful.

many thanks 😀

In the U.S you get a bachelors degree first in anything you want which is 4 years.
Then medical school for 4 more years. So the average age when you're done with medical school is 26. Then you do additional medical training in a specialty of your liking considering you did well in med school which can range anywhere from 3-8 years depending the specialty, but that part is up to you and during the 3-8 years of training you are getting paid because you are a "doctor in training" basically. So ultimately you start making money at the age of 26 on average, but the money is about the average salary of American citizens, once you are done with residency (medical training) then you practice as a physician making a considerably higher amount of money which all in all shouldn't be a prime concern, but it may be for some people since they most likely pulled out thousands in loans to fund their medical school tuition

 

[Medstart108]

Hey there everyone.... Got another question(s).

How does the medical school system in the U.S work? Like in Australia, after high school, you can take an undergraduate program in medicine then continue graduate in medicine.... Right? Is the system in the U.S different? I read that you couldn't go straight to medicine? Is that true? I don't really get how that works. Are the systems in the U.K or Canada any different? If someone could explain this to me, that would be really helpful.

many thanks 😀

US and Canada are the same. You need a Bachelor's before you can pursue medical school which is a 4 year MD/DO program.

UK and Australia are the same. You can pursue medicine straight out of high school which is the path most take. The MBBS/MB ChB takes 5 years and many choose to intercalate (meaning taking an extra year to do some research) and get a BSc after 3rd year. Both the UK and Australia have graduate entry medicine programs for people who decided on medicine during their bachelor's degree. These programs are 4 years in length and award the MBBS/MB ChB. The MD degree in the UK and Australia is a 2 year post-graduate research degree.

MBBS/MB ChB = US MD

UK MD is slightly inferior to US PhD because fewer years of research are required

UK PhD = US PhD

 

[krix]

thanks for the info. they were really helpful. 🙂 and also if anyone would like to give me their opinions on which one they'd rather choose, that would be nice too. 😉

 

[Medstart108]

thanks for the info. they were really helpful. 🙂 and also if anyone would like to give me their opinions on which one they'd rather choose, that would be nice too. 😉

That all depends on where you are from, what citizenship you hold and where you want to practice

The general rule of thumb is go to medical school where you are from and practice in your own country. Medicine is very different from law or business, it is difficult to switch countries.

But if you'd like to tell us a little bit more about your background, then we could give you advice.

 

[krix]

That all depends on where you are from, what citizenship you hold and where you want to practice

The general rule of thumb is go to medical school where you are from and practice in your own country. Medicine is very different from law or business, it is difficult to switch countries.

But if you'd like to tell us a little bit more about your background, then we could give you advice.

i'm an Indonesian living in Indonesia. i'm not in high school yet so i still have enough time to think things over. i went to elementary school in the U.S, so my english is kinda better than my Indonesian. 😛 and i'm currently studying middle school here. i've decided not to take medicine in Japan, but rather in either the U.S, U.K, Australia, or Canada. i'm not so into the idea of studying medicine here. that's a bit of my background. if something's missing, just ask. 👍

 

[Medstart108]

i'm an Indonesian living in Indonesia. i'm not in high school yet so i still have enough time to think things over. i went to elementary school in the U.S, so my english is kinda better than my Indonesian. 😛 and i'm currently studying middle school here. i've decided not to take medicine in Japan, but rather in either the U.S, U.K, Australia, or Canada. i'm not so into the idea of studying medicine here. that's a bit of my background. if something's missing, just ask. 👍

You also should answer where you want to end up practicing.

If you want to practice in the U.S, then you should first apply to a US college, graduate and then apply to a US medical school. This process will if without a gap year take 8 years 4+4.

If you have EU citizenship, practicing in the UK is made a lot easier. Otherwise, you will have to attend UK medical school 5-6 years, then do FY1 and 2. International citizens who do medical school in the UK are allowed to stay on for foundation years. I don't know about after that, but i believe most will be able to practice. There are a lot of south east asians studying in the UK so clearly there is a way to practice in the UK.

If you want to practice in Canada, first apply to a Canadian university, graduate and then apply to a US medical school. This process usually takes 8 years again (4+4), but some Canadian medical schools have a 3 year program (Calgary and McMaster). In addition, Canadian medical schools accept students after 3 or sometimes even 2 years. The fastest path to medicine in Canada is 5 years (2 years undergrad in UofA and 3 years med school in Calgary) but can only be done in Alberta. Keep in mind though, medical school is much more difficult to get into than in the US. Acceptance rates depending on province of residency range between 18-30%, much lower than the 46% in the US. In addition, the average medical school acceptee applied 3 times (most begin applying in 3rd year, a few in 2nd).

I'm not too sure about Australia, but i know that their medical school is also 5-6 years, but there might be a partnership between Australian medical schools and SE asian countries which might make the path easier. Most international students aren't guaranteed a post graduate training spot due to an oversupply of physicians (after opening up too many new medical schools).

 

[krix]

You also should answer where you want to end up practicing.

If you want to practice in the U.S, then you should first apply to a US college, graduate and then apply to a US medical school. This process will if without a gap year take 8 years 4+4.

If you have EU citizenship, practicing in the UK is made a lot easier. Otherwise, you will have to attend UK medical school 5-6 years, then do FY1 and 2. International citizens who do medical school in the UK are allowed to stay on for foundation years. I don't know about after that, but i believe most will be able to practice. There are a lot of south east asians studying in the UK so clearly there is a way to practice in the UK.

If you want to practice in Canada, first apply to a Canadian university, graduate and then apply to a US medical school. This process usually takes 8 years again (4+4), but some Canadian medical schools have a 3 year program (Calgary and McMaster). In addition, Canadian medical schools accept students after 3 or sometimes even 2 years. The fastest path to medicine in Canada is 5 years (2 years undergrad in UofA and 3 years med school in Calgary) but can only be done in Alberta. Keep in mind though, medical school is much more difficult to get into than in the US. Acceptance rates depending on province of residency range between 18-30%, much lower than the 46% in the US. In addition, the average medical school acceptee applied 3 times (most begin applying in 3rd year, a few in 2nd).

I'm not too sure about Australia, but i know that their medical school is also 5-6 years, but there might be a partnership between Australian medical schools and SE asian countries which might make the path easier. Most international students aren't guaranteed a post graduate training spot due to an oversupply of physicians (after opening up too many new medical schools).

wooooww..... you sure know a whole lot! 😀 @.@ that really helped me put more into consideration. thanks a lot! i think i'm more comfortable in the U.S. one more question, if it takes less time in canada, doesn't that mean that the standard is higher?

 

[Medstart108]

wooooww..... you sure know a whole lot! 😀 @.@ that really helped me put more into consideration. thanks a lot! i think i'm more comfortable in the U.S. one more question, if it takes less time in canada, doesn't that mean that the standard is higher?

No it doesn't mean the standard is higher.

The length of your undergraduate degree really doesn't make much of a difference since medical school is a completely different curriculum and very little of your undergrad teaching will apply.

The medical schools that have 3 year programs run all year round without break. At the end of the day, all the schools are accredited by LCME so they all have to meet the same standards.

The main reason medical school is more difficult in Canada is due to the interest in medicine. Canada has many economic immigrants, and being a doctor is a very popular career among their children, so there are more applicants.