USUHS or CCOM?

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Hi everyone, I am having a really difficult time picking between USUHS and Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine(CCOM). I was hoping someone could give some advice and their take on the two schools. Please take into consideration these four factors.
1) military vs civilian life
2) quality of education
3) MD vs DO
4) financially being paid vs. $200K in debt.

Thanks.
 
Hey Doc52,
I'm in almost the same situation as you - I'm deciding between USUHS and nsucom (nova). What branch of the military did you choose for USUHS? I actually just had a thread up about it a week or two ago, but deleted it. It seemed like when I asked that question, I wound up getting a lot of responses that I already sort of new (not that I wasn't grateful for the responses, it was good to hear other's opinions). The trouble is, you try to compare them, and they're so different, it's impossible to compare. Could you post what your feelings are towards each school, because a lot of the questions you're asking depend on your own reactions. Both schools are good schools. Have you talked to the sponsor USUHS sent you yet? I talked to mine and she was really helpfu. It seemed like they tried to match our backgrounds because she was able to give her reactions from a similar view.
 
Is this fonqueicheng?? HAHA.............Frank, you know my opinion. Dont do it just to get the MD!

Jetson
 
Hi guys!

My opinion may be a little different from others you have heard. I am 30, married, and have an 18 month old daughter. I have also served on active duty in the enlisted AF for the past three years.

I believe that the military is a good way of life. I plan to stay in until I retire. With that in mind, I have been waitlisted at USUHS and plan to attend AZCOM at this time because my family support system is there.

Presently, I am a little apprehensive about entering civilian life for the next four years. While enlisted, I could always rely on my family being taken of... now, I am losing that security, but I know I will survive. Civilian life and military have both similarities and vast differences. The most salient point being that while on active duty I am always subject to deployment. The AF is very adamant about its training program, as well. I believe that is a good thing, but others view it as negative- it takes away from direct patient care in some cases. I guess that to be genuinely happy with a tour in the military though, you have to be committed. You have to go in informed and willing to make some sacrifices... not everyone will be tasked with a less than desired position, but someone has to fill those vacancies. My biggest complaint is that the military "usually" looks at troops, both enlisted and officers, as numbered bodies. Not everyone gets to do what they are most qualified/talented at doing because quotas must be filled, and when all else fails someone will be assigned to perform that function. Medicine in the AF (not sure about the other branches) is always secondary to the line side mission. In other words, docs are there to keep the troops content and healthy so that a job, currently the War on Terrorism, can be done effectively and efficiently.

About the quality of education, the AF has top-notch cutting edge equipment and procedures. The buildings are sometimes old and that dreaded military brown/beige, but you would not believe the life-saving techniques that are taught including portable ECMO, robotic laparoscopic surgeries, and many others. A more interesting aspect is that as an intern in the military, techs and nurses do most of the scut work that interns and residents are assigned in the civilian sector. This frees up time for patient care and extra studying.

In the military there is virtually no difference between a MD and a DO. In AZ, where I did my undergrad, DOs are well respected as well. I cannot comment about other areas in the civilian world because I have no experience with that.

I will reiterate what others have stated in the past, do not join the military for the money only. You will be greatly disappointed, and do a disservice to those physicians and troops in the military that want to be there. The docs will have to pull your weight, and the troops will notice your insincerity and discontent. This is what gives military medicine a bad reputation in the first place. The AF does need physicians that want to be there to contribute to the mission though. I have a thought that I try to live by, and you should consider this in your decision... I always try to leave the places I have been in better condition than when I arrived. If you think that you could offer the military some wisdom and selfless service for four years, then I look forward to meeting and working with you in the future. Just do not go into this lightly thinking that the government owes you something. Ultimately this will hurt you and your patients.

Any questions or thoughts, pm me.

Cyndi
 
I've been accepted into USUHS and waitlisted at a couple other medical schools. I don't know whether I should just wait it out till the start of officer training for other schools to accept me. USUHS gave me my first interview and my first and only acceptance so far. The students there were nice and optimistic about their medical career. I got a good vibe when I was there. BUT it just seems like whenever I tell people that I might be going there, they get really skeptical about the whole thing! It really irritates me because they have no idea what they're talking about as they have no knowledge of what the program offers. It bothers me that I let others make me feel so low. My father on the other hand is pushing for USUHS. He's all of a sudden very patriotic...and tells me that I should give back to the country that took us in as immigrants 18 years ago. My employer, a pediatrician, whose daughter got off the wailist at my state school (where I've been waitlisted in the top 1/3) suggests that I just wait it out during the summer and wait for my state school to accept me off the waitlist.
I just don't know what to do. I know there are plenty of people out there that really want to go to USUHS and would trade places with me in a second. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?
Why can't I just make my mind up?
All I've ever wanted was to be a doctor, so I keep telling myself that it doesn't matter where I go, I'll be a doctor in the end! Won't I?
🙁
 
Lpgovard,
Im kind of in the same situation as you. I was accepted at USUHS and waitlisted at some schools. I dont know what branch you got into, but I got into the AF and I talked to the AF medical branch director about the service contract and she said I had to make a decision by May 15. I told her I was on some waitlists and she said the contract would have to be turned in and is binding by May 15. I dont know if she is saying that to get me to turn in my contract or if thats true. I then spoke to my AF recruiter for HPSP and he said to hold off until May before I turn in my contract and if it came up to the deadline, he'd try to extend it for me. It kind of puts me in a bind because even though my OBC isnt until July, I have to turn my contract in by May 15 and most waitlists dont move till after May 15.

Jetson
 
Oh NO!

I got the unconditional acceptance letter and signed the comissioning forms for the ARMY. I might have signed the contract I guess. I'm not really sure.
I better talk to my preceptor.
 
Originally posted by Lpgovard
I've been accepted into USUHS and waitlisted at a couple other medical schools. I don't know whether I should just wait it out till the start of officer training for other schools to accept me. USUHS gave me my first interview and my first and only acceptance so far. The students there were nice and optimistic about their medical career. I got a good vibe when I was there. BUT it just seems like whenever I tell people that I might be going there, they get really skeptical about the whole thing! It really irritates me because they have no idea what they're talking about as they have no knowledge of what the program offers. It bothers me that I let others make me feel so low. My father on the other hand is pushing for USUHS. He's all of a sudden very patriotic...and tells me that I should give back to the country that took us in as immigrants 18 years ago. My employer, a pediatrician, whose daughter got off the wailist at my state school (where I've been waitlisted in the top 1/3) suggests that I just wait it out during the summer and wait for my state school to accept me off the waitlist.
I just don't know what to do. I know there are plenty of people out there that really want to go to USUHS and would trade places with me in a second. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?
Why can't I just make my mind up?
All I've ever wanted was to be a doctor, so I keep telling myself that it doesn't matter where I go, I'll be a doctor in the end! Won't I?
🙁

Lpgovard,

I don't want to reiterate things that have already been said before, but I will refer you to what others have said about choosing USUHS to be a military doc, not just a doc that happens to be in the military.

As for those that are skeptical, it is because they don't know about the military. I have been in the Army for almost 3 years, and I must admit that there are things that I am still learning, and I certainly knew a lot less before I joined. But it shocks me how ignorant the general civilian public is about military life, and especially military medicine. I am an optometrist in the Army right now, and here are a few of the top few misconceptions people have about my job:

1. I only see active duty soldiers as patients.
This is wrong. While a significant chunk of my patient base is active duty soldiers, I also see retirees, children and spouses of service members, and members of foreign governments (military and civilian defense attaches). The age range of my patients goes from a few months old up to mid-late 90s.

2. The Army doesn't deploy medical people.
This is also wrong. Medical officers, medical service corps officers, nurses, dentists, etc. are all extremely important in the medical support of deployed soldiers. The closer you get the care to the soldier, the quicker they get treated and sent home or back to the fight. We all play a part in helping the team to victory. For some reason, people have forgotten that TV show in the 70s called MASH. People have this image of the military deployment as the images from Saving Private Ryan or old Vietnam footage. Most people think of military operations simply as boats hitting the shore or the chopper touching down, and men with guns start running and shooting. The general public doesn't understand how much support exists behind the soldiers charging forward. The way I dispel this myth is simply to tell people that I wouldn't be a commissioned officer if my skill wouldn't be needed in theater. The military is NOT a federal work program. It exists to defend this Country and its citizens.

3. Military medical care is substandard to civilian care.
This is just plain wrong. Sure, you can find cases where patients got bad care in a military hospital. You can also find horrible docs and serious lapses in standard of care in the civilian world. I know some Army optometrists that I wouldn't send my mother to. I also know civilian optometrists that I wouldn't send a distant cousin to. The military requires all providers (physicians, dentists, optometrists, nurses, etc) to be fully educated, licensed, and in good standing in order to provide patient care. They must also meet the continuing education requirements of their licensure. All DoD medical centers undergo survey and inspection by the Joint Commission on the Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO). In fact, the hospital in which I work was the first in DoD (and one of the first few in the country) to get a disease-specific certification by JCAHO for management of diabetic patients. People see military medicine as lagging behind civilian care. In many ways, we are actually leading the way.

4. And my favorite myth of all: the military is full of blood-thirsty, trigger happy, wife-beating psychopaths.
Of course, the media has done a lot to bolster this stereotype. If you really want to know who the military REALLY is, then go to the grocery store, go to the mall, or go to your local place of worship. Look around at all of the ordinary people living their lives and taking care of the ones they love. This is the true stereotype of the average servicemember: an ordinary person doing extraordinary work. I'm an ordinary guy. I love to watch TV, surf the web, hang out with my wife, listen to music etc. Most of the people I meet in the military are just like me--ordinary folks.

Don't misunderstand, military life isn't always a picnic. Sometimes it just plain sucks. All jobs are going to suck at times. Just don't buy into the nonsense from people who aren't in the know. If you go USUHS, you will be in good company. If not, I am sure you will have a great career as well. But make sure whatever you decide, you do it for you. Watch out for #1, and the rest will fall into place. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the post cafeinated! I appreciate your opinions and honestly from all the posts that I've read, I'm starting to feel comfortable going to USUHS in the fall.

Thanks again!
🙂
 
I never had any military experiences before, so choosing between USUHS and CCOM has been a very difficult one. I know that USUHS offers great opportunities and training that most medical schools probably don't have. However, if it turns out that I dislike the military, I know I would be bound for 7 years after the military. How can I make a decision when I don't have the military experience nor any positive or negative feelings toward the military? It's tough. Oh yeah, i got into the army branch.
 
I agree with much of what the previous posters have stated. I look forward to military medicine---a combination of two worlds that I love.

I had a similiar decision (and still kind of have one) because I have full acceptance to LECOM, and conditional to USUHS (pending medical clearence for old knee injury). I sincerly love DO philosopy, but I can't pass up USUHS. I plan to stay in military until I retire, and really want to get the Infectious Disease/tropical medicine experienc that I would at USUHS and not at most other schools.

My best advice? Sit down, thoroughly compare the two. What does your gut instinct say? Do you like the military? You almost have to love it to stay in at a time like this, because you will face opposition. RIght now, as a ROTC cadet, many of our cadets are hassled due to our allegiance to the flag. You have to really know where you stand, and even if you don't agree, you have to support a country whose own citizens (that you are defending) won't support you. Yet, you will get to travel around the world. You will be deployed in war-torn countries and get opportunities to treat patients like you imagined when you wanted to become a doctor. (Instead of just battling insurance 99% of time). Which life do you want? Civilian DO or military MD? Best wishes.

For your enjoyment, I have attached a picture of the Washington Monument with the American Flag. I took while visiting D.C for apartment seaching. Enjoy!
 

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