UVA job

[sevo00]

https://www.gaswork.com/post/393925

Anyone know about this place? Are they ****in serious 310k starting? There are Locums CRNAs making more than that at this place

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[NICMAN]

You are paid in brand association 🙂

Problem is they recently voted no-confidence for the CEO of UVA health and the Med School Dean. There is a lot of turbulence there right now.
VCU, Wake Forest, and UNC all seem like better jobs. I still like UVA though. It has potential, but not in this tough labor marketplace.

 

[aneftp]

https://www.gaswork.com/post/393925

Anyone know about this place? Are they ****in serious 310k starting? There are Locums CRNAs making more than that at this place

Mass general is equally low pay.

 

[GassYous]

It's cool though you get 4 weeks PAID vacation

 

[aneftp]

It's cool though you get 4 weeks PAID vacation

It’s likely more than that. When I was state academics we got lots of bonus days. 2 weeks of cme. Added up to 8-9 weeks off. Officially we got 21 days off.

 

[dmk5n]

With Residents you can only cover 1:2.
So RVU's suck compared to covering 1:4 with CRNA's
You still work hard because Parkison's Law, residents slow, complexity, dumping ground, transplants, yada yada
Plus, the Dean's tax. Dean Wormer.
Academic pay sucks.

But Charlottesville used to be cool town.
College life, horses, App trail, pretty good food. good MTB, close to DC and richmond.
Hope they get their sh#t together.

 

[buccsmf1]

Mass general is equally low pay.

it was 220 pre covid. ive heard its gotten better lately but it was absolutely pathetic.

 

[Agast]

With Residents you can only cover 1:2.
So RVU's suck compared to covering 1:4 with CRNA's
You still work hard because Parkison's Law, residents slow, complexity, dumping ground, transplants, yada yada
Plus, the Dean's tax. Dean Wormer.
Academic pay sucks.

I had a couple of attendings during residency that made it pretty clear they preferred working with CRNAs. It was pretty demoralizing as a trainee, especially as anxiety over CRNA independence was on the rise and anesthesiology was not a competitive specialty. Don’t go into academia if you have little interest in teaching.

 

[SRYSPAC]

It’s likely more than that. When I was state academics we got lots of bonus days. 2 weeks of cme. Added up to 8-9 weeks off. Officially we got 21 days off.

Which place was this? I've been on both sides and the academic side (x 3) was nowhere close to 9 weeks.

Seems like you found a great academic gig in terms of PTO, but also now have the perfect locums gig with unlimited options.

What area of the US?

 

[nimbus]

Don’t go into academia if you have little interest in teaching.

💯

That said, some academic places are hiring people as “physician associates” or “physician diplomates” who have no teaching duties. They’re just bodies to get cases done.

 

[lolnotacop]

That said, some academic places are hiring people as “physician associates” or “physician diplomates” who have no teaching duties. They’re just bodies to get cases done.

Yep. Have this at the academic place I’m attached to. Called the “clinical” track.

 

[Maz777]

Who are these suckers that sign up for this nonsense? Here's a big pay cut to be in "academics" and by the way you don't get any non-clinical time.

 

[amyl]

I had a couple of attendings during residency that made it pretty clear they preferred working with CRNAs. It was pretty demoralizing as a trainee, especially as anxiety over CRNA independence was on the rise and anesthesiology was not a competitive specialty. Don’t go into academia if you have little interest in teaching.

That is f—- terrible. I hate lazy attendings

 

[narcotics999]

That said, some academic places are hiring people as “physician associates” or “physician diplomates” who have no teaching duties. They’re just bodies to get cases done.

It is not bad if $$$ good. Bennies same as the regular faculty?

 

[NicholasPavona]

lazy attendings

Redundant

 

[nimbus]

It is not bad if $$$ good. Bennies same as the regular faculty?

Not sure about the benefits. An old acquaintance of mine from med school was in PP Family medicine in a wealthy area. Her practice was acquired by UCLA. She’s now a “physician diplomate” at UCLA and makes about $800k/year so the pay can be very good.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Who are these suckers that sign up for this nonsense? Here's a big pay cut to be in "academics" and by the way you don't get any non-clinical time.

Most of these folks are people who have independent wealth or high earning spouses and can afford the paycut and like the prestige. Very few of them aren’t well well taken care of

 

[Status Sciaticus]

You are paid in brand association 🙂

Problem is they recently voted no-confidence for the CEO of UVA health and the Med School Dean. There is a lot of turbulence there right now.
VCU, Wake Forest, and UNC all seem like better jobs. I still like UVA though. It has potential, but not in this tough labor marketplace.

LOL what brand association? its UVA, not Harvard. LMAO people taking these job offers are clowns.

 

[aneftp]

LOL what brand association? its UVA, not Harvard. LMAO people taking these job offers are clowns.

Believe it even state places like university of Tennessee health system

UC (Colorado)

UC (California)

The state places like uva do have brand recognition.

You are being narrow minded. The battle ground for patients is at the local level. Local patients recognize these state health systems and more comfortable

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Believe it even state places like university of Tennessee health system

UC (Colorado)

UC (California)

The state places like uva do have brand recognition.

You are being narrow minded. The battle ground for patients is at the local level. Local patients recognize these state health systems and more comfortable

Sure, but if you’re gonna pay someone in business cards, it’s helpful if the business card is worth something on the resume

 

[BLADEMDA]

Who are these suckers that sign up for this nonsense? Here's a big pay cut to be in "academics" and by the way you don't get any non-clinical time.

There are academic centers now paying locums $1 million each to staff their sites. The actual cost is even higher due to the agency fee. Until some of those places adjust their pay they will remain dependent on locums. Cost of living is real so many former attendings left those low paying university positions ($375,000) for private jobs paying 50-100% more money.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

There are academic centers now paying locums $1 million each to staff their sites. The actual cost is even higher due to the agency fee. Until some of those places adjust their pay they will remain dependent on locums. Cost of living is real so many former attendings left those low paying university positions ($375,000) for private jobs paying 50-100% more money.

Who is paying a million bucks?

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Believe it even state places like university of Tennessee health system

UC (Colorado)

UC (California)

The state places like uva do have brand recognition.

You are being narrow minded. The battle ground for patients is at the local level. Local patients recognize these state health systems and more comfortable

All the systems mentioned are university systems with tons of medicaid/medicare. They dont have much of a choice. Dealing with medicaid patients AND getting paid like crap? Count me out.
For UC, unless its Cedars Sinai or UCLA, no one is clamoring for brand recognition at UC Riverside or UC Irvine.....

Who is paying a million bucks?

450/hr x 50 hours/week x 45 weeks (8 weeks off) = $1,012,500.

Add in home call, and youre really churning the compensation.

 

[aneftp]

All the systems mentioned are university systems with tons of medicaid/medicare. They dont have much of a choice. Dealing with medicaid patients AND getting paid like crap? Count me out.
For UC, unless its Cedars Sinai or UCLA, no one is clamoring for brand recognition at UC Riverside or UC Irvine.....

450/hr x 50 hours/week x 45 weeks (8 weeks off) = $1,012,500.

Add in home call, and youre really churning the compensation.

Depends on the surgery. Bread and butter. It’s fine to get it done at community centers.

The issue is what exactly is bread and butter?

Unfortunately for the old guard partners who never sold out (or fortunately) for new people non partners. This is the best job market I’ve seen in my 20 plus years.

High 6 figures is getting to be common 800k and up. 1 million is within reach for many on the hourly wage structure.

Home call is no bueno though. Gotta entice with me a bonus week off for being home call.

 

[amyl]

Who is paying a million bucks?

Yea that’s haven’t seen locums jobs for 450/h or jobs paying 800. Am willing to be educated as always

 

[IlDestriero]

There are good academic jobs out there. Just keep looking. It’s just like the non academic world. Look for a job that’s at least 75th percentile. You do need to compare apples to apples though, ie what’s full time? 4.5 days vs 3? Vaca + CME time + academic days, pay now vs old school pension, etc. Are you in a publish or perish role?
UVAs brand recognition is small compared to Harvard, Stanford, Penn, UCLA, etc. Best in Virginia is like Best in Nebraska. Who cares outside of VA?
They’re going to drown in Locums bills until they fix the pay gap. People make take a 300k job when 400 is on offer elsewhere, but not 600.

 

[nimbus]

Yea that’s haven’t seen locums jobs for 450/h or jobs paying 800. Am willing to be educated as always

Here’s one but it’s Lake Havasu and it’s the same group that blew up Modesto.

https://www.gaswork.com/post/489416

 

[nimbus]

There are good academic jobs out there. Just keep looking. It’s just like the non academic world. Look for a job that’s at least 75th percentile. You do need to compare apples to apples though, ie what’s full time? 4.5 days vs 3? Vaca + CME time + academic days, pay now vs old school pension, etc. Are you in a publish or perish role?
UVAs brand recognition is small compared to Harvard, Stanford, Penn, UCLA, etc. Best in Virginia is like Best in Nebraska. Who cares outside of VA?
They’re going to drown in Locums bills until they fix the pay gap. People make take a 300k job when 400 is on offer elsewhere, but not 600.

UCLA can pay very well. Med school friend, family practice, works 4.5 days/week, no call. She was in PP for many years but her private practice was acquired by UCLA 8 years ago.

 

[aneftp]

UCLA can pay very well. Med school friend, family practice, works 4.5 days/week, no call. She was in PP for many years but her private practice was acquired by UCLA 8 years ago.

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What is the “other pay”

 

[amyl]

Well 800 in California is 600 elsewhere really. I’m sure there are jobs that suck horribly for 800 plus but the tolerable jobs don’t seem to pay anywhere near 800.

 

[nimbus]

Well 800 in California is 600 elsewhere really. I’m sure there are jobs that suck horribly for 800 plus but the tolerable jobs don’t seem to pay anywhere near 800.

800 in California may be even less than 600k elsewhere. But her husband is a software engineer so they have a nice home in Calabasas.

 

[nimbus]

What is the “other pay”

It’s compensation based on productivity ie clinical RVUs that she generates. Another good thing about the UC system is that you get raises every year regardless of insurance reimbursement. This is the progression in compensation over the last years. The 219k is the year her practice was acquired so it wasn’t a full year.

 

[aneftp]

It’s compensation based on productivity ie clinical RVUs that she generates. Another good thing about the UC system is that you get raises every year regardless of insurance reimbursement. This is the progression in compensation over the last years. The 219k is the year her practice was acquired so it wasn’t a full year.


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That’s impressive. Family medicine and psychiatry are the biggest winners of Obamacare I think.

Shame peds salaries haven’t gone up like that.

Always good to see how specialities make money.

 

[Twiggidy]

That’s impressive. Family medicine and psychiatry are the biggest winners of Obamacare I think.

Shame peds salaries haven’t gone up like that.

Always good to see how specialities make money.

I think we also underrate how busy people are who work in primary care. In my area, it's very hard to find a primary care physician both adult and pediatrics as many aren't taking new patients, so it doesn't shock me if in an RVU model they're somewhat killing it.

 

[Twiggidy]

I think there's some private practice "snobbery" being expressed on this thread. A "University" position carries its degree of prestige but yes, it does depend on the circle you make associations. Most if not all University associated practices are affiliated with a tertiary care center which means for the most part you're doing complex cases with complex patients. Also, in the world of academics it will carry weight at conferences, getting published, and moving among different academic practices. No UVA is not Harvard, but yes, UVA is still UVA and there is certainly a UVA anesthesiologist that I know of that is used as a cable news expert. Again, to us private practice snobs who only care about the number on the W2 that means nothing, but in the academic world where credentials matter it means a lot. It's different strokes for different folks. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to do academics whether it's to move up in the anesthesia world, or stability, or the just like working with residents and most understand it comes with a pay cut and are fine with that.