UW-Madison versus UW-Milwaukee ((tier I versus Tier III schools) I just dont buy it )

[SweetGingerDoc]

I have been inscure about competing with students from Madison when applying to medical school since I go to UWM-Milwaukee ( a tier III school for undergraduate ). My insecurity was lifted this summer when I finished first in physics despite all the madison students coming home for summer and taking class at UW-Milwaukee.

I took organic II last summer and I finished second behind another kid from UW-Milwaukee ( a friend of mine ). We were also competing against all the madison kids home for summer.

These two summer sessions make me seriously doubt the reputation of madison as a superior science school or really any of the top tier schools. If us tier III students can compete and beat the madison student we probably can compete and beat any student from any university. So I seriously doibt that attending big name expensive schools in worth the money.

whooaaa.... I almost forgot to mention that my physics prof who has been teaching summer physics said he never noticed the madison kids scoring better than the kids from UW-Milwaukee or kids from any other schools home for the summer.

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[Mr. Tee]

So I seriously doibt that attending big name expensive schools in worth the money.

I've been wondering about that too. Thanks for your anecdote, I have similar ones.

 

[ChymeChancellor]

Just a side note, Some UW-Madison profs also teach at UW-Waukesha (the two year school).

 

[SweetGingerDoc]

Just a side note, Some UW-Madison profs also teach at UW-Waukesha (the two year school).

Hmm...... I never knew that. I do know that UW-Waukesha has been considering merging with UW-Milwaukee and forming a huge two city campus. This has been discussed on and off for a few years.

If UW-Milwaukee merged with UW-Waukesha and if UW-Milwaukee ends up buying columbia hospital and all it's land as is expected it will be a huge university.

If UW-Milwaukee gets columbia hospital, all its building and land it is going to start several new professional health related schools. I have heard they want to start a pharm school and are even considering starting a med school although they have been petitioning the state for a new med school for years and keep getting turned down.

 

[Ari Gold]

These two summer sessions make me seriously doubt the reputation of madison as a superior science school or really any of the top tier schools. If us tier III students can compete and beat the madison student we probably can compete and beat any student from any university. So I seriously doibt that attending big name expensive schools in worth the money.

Umm, calm down killer. They're just people like anyone else. Get over your inferiority complex. Plus Madison sucks.

 

[SweetGingerDoc]

Umm, calm down killer. They're just people like anyone else. Get over your inferiority complex. Plus Madison sucks.

I am guessing madison rejected you ?

 

[asunshine]

i did a similar thing. i think a lot depends on the professor. and it seems the standard classes are just as rigorous, but Madison has cooler upper-level courses and lab facilities, but i'm not sure.

it would be sweet if UWM expanded their professional schools.

 

[SweetGingerDoc]

i did a similar thing. i think a lot depends on the professor. and it seems the standard classes are just as rigorous, but Madison has cooler upper-level courses and lab facilities, but i'm not sure.

it would be sweet if UWM expanded their professional schools.

Do you live in Wisconsin and/or go to UWM ?

I know they are opening a new PT school in the next year or so. I also know they want a pharm school and med school. Heck, I also think Milwaukee should have programs for Physican assistant, nurse anes. and other obscure medical specialties.

 

[Ari Gold]

I am guessing madison rejected you ?

how do you get that from what i said? the point of my post was about annoying small schoolers having a huge chip on their shoulder and some complex that makes themselves want to prove their worth. it's pathetic. if your happy at a small school good for you, but if your trying your hardest to "beat" the bigger school kids in a one-sided competition you create in your head then you admit that you are not content with your current (small )school, and that's no one's probelm but your own.

BTW, since you want to know, I applied to many school, public and private, no rejections and the entire educational system of wisconsin did not cross my mind for a second. I ended up deciding on Michignan because of financial aid and it's amazing at everything.

 

[SweetGingerDoc]

how do you get that from what i said? the point of my post was about annoying small schoolers having a huge chip on their shoulder and some complex that makes themselves want to prove their worth. it's pathetic. if your happy at a small school good for you, but if your trying your hardest to "beat" the bigger school kids in a one-sided competition you create in your head then you admit that you are not content with your current (small )school, and that's no one's probelm but your own.

BTW, since you want to know, I applied to many school, public and private, no rejections and the entire educational system of wisconsin did not cross my mind for a second. I ended up deciding on Michignan because of financial aid and it's amazing at everything.

Thanks for your amazing comments.

 

[Ari Gold]

Thanks for your amazing comments.

No problem, I hope one day you can find closure with the city of Madison.

 

[ChymeChancellor]

No problem, I hope one day you can find closure with the city of Madison.

Why would you go to Michigan. I think MSU is better... 😴

 

[45408]

Summer classes aren't really a good way to judge a school's academic integrity. I heard some people cracking on UWM's reputation after taking a summer genetics course. I graduated from UWM, but I wonder if its lack of reputation held me back when I applied. I guess I'll never know.

Anyways, I got into UWisc SOM almost immediately, but I didn't really want to go there (it's in Madison, after all ), so I stayed here at MCW.

Madison's undergrad does have a better science reputation, and they receive way too much state gov't money, in my opinion, and UWM doesn't get nearly enough. It's all about what you're looking to get out of it - Madison is more selective, so they don't have as many lower achievers as a more accepting school like UWM.

 

[MinnyGophers]

Plus Madison sucks.

I concur.

And no, I was accepted by Madison, was going to attend Madison, and then decided to visit it and changed my mind quickly...

Go minnesota!

sorry, just had to hate on Wisconsin 😉 It's second nature to us Minnesotans, just like Wisconsinites like to rip on MN.

 

[Ari Gold]

Why would you go to Michigan. I think MSU is better... 😴

My bad, silly me, I should have clarified my special circumstances...I was looking for a good education. I wasn't too interested in majoring in beer-pong with a minor in rioting.

 

[Offear]

Ok, enough with the ripping on Madison. Just because you don't like it or didn't want to go there doesn't mean that it's not a good university or that there aren't others that love it.

I'm sure that there are plenty of people that would like to rip on any other school that they don't attend.

Perhaps we could redirect our energies to being somewhat productive...

 

[MollyMalone]

What can I say?

I moved from a Milwaukee suburb to Madison so that I could attend there for my BA, even though that necessitated me commuting back to the Milwaukee area on weekends for three years for my job. I felt the research opportunities and education were well worth it, and I don't regret it for a moment. Also, I think Madison is one of the best places in the country to live (and multiple rankings bear this out). I'm sure there are some excellent students and professors at UWM -- but it wasn't the school for me.

To each his own. Obviously Madison isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea.

 

[UMP]

My bad, silly me, I should have clarified my special circumstances...I was looking for a good education. I wasn't too interested in majoring in beer-pong with a minor in rioting.

don't rip on our beer-pong program at umich... I graduated with honors 👍

 

[abcxyz0123]

I have been inscure about competing with students from Madison when applying to medical school since I go to UWM-Milwaukee ( a tier III school for undergraduate ). My insecurity was lifted this summer when I finished first in physics despite all the madison students coming home for summer and taking class at UW-Milwaukee.

I took organic II last summer and I finished second behind another kid from UW-Milwaukee ( a friend of mine ). We were also competing against all the madison kids home for summer.

These two summer sessions make me seriously doubt the reputation of madison as a superior science school or really any of the top tier schools. If us tier III students can compete and beat the madison student we probably can compete and beat any student from any university. So I seriously doibt that attending big name expensive schools in worth the money.

whooaaa.... I almost forgot to mention that my physics prof who has been teaching summer physics said he never noticed the madison kids scoring better than the kids from UW-Milwaukee or kids from any other schools home for the summer.

Gee...or maybe its the fact that the dumbest students from madison are the ones that go out of their way to take required courses at an easier school. duhhhhhhhh.

if you came here and took a course during a normal semester...you wouldn't be number one anymore.

 

[45408]

if you came here and took a course during a normal semester...you wouldn't be number one anymore.

Bring it. 😉

 

[Johannen]

Also, realize that this summer course was probably entry-level. I'm a Madison student currently as well, and we premeds seem to get to know each other pretty well, through upper-level science courses such as Biochemistry (taught by Dave Nelson, arguably one of the best biochemists in the nation) and etc. You can't judge our university based on some idiot drunken frat boy that took a class at UWM over the summer. I'm from a suburb of Milwaukee. I know people that go there, and trust me; the same breed of drunks exists at both schools. I'm not saying you, personally, couldn't succeed here, OP, but Madison is a tier 1 school for a reason.

 

[PhT]

I post very infrequently, but this was too good to pass up. I transferred to UW-Madison from UW-Whitewater after my sophomore year only to find out that I could still do just as well. Others have had the opposite experience. This is an issue with no universal response or algorithmic solution, unfortunately. My transfer to Madison was driven partly by insecurity and partly by my desire to study biochemistry - one of the UW's strongest programs. As others have mentioned, one look at Madison's facilities will tell you that it's just different - the state's financial investments are not unfounded; UW scientists were discovering vitamins and curative agents before UW-Milwaukee was even built. If you haven't seen the array of opportunities available to Madison undergraduates, I'm sorry, but you have no idea what comprehensive, self-motivated education is really about. As for the summer class, I'll echo what others have said - the kids you're "competing" against aren't taking summer classes at UWM to prove their mettle - enough said. Being from Milwaukee myself, I hate to admit that anything in Madison is exceptional, but I am certain that the UW has given me more than UWM ever could have. I'm about as anti-elitist as they come, but please choose your battles more wisely in the future - it's called THE UW for a reason. On Wisconsin.

 

[45408]

I post very infrequently, but this was too good to pass up. I transferred to UW-Madison from UW-Whitewater after my sophomore year only to find out that I could still do just as well. Others have had the opposite experience. This is an issue with no universal response or algorithmic solution, unfortunately. My transfer to Madison was driven partly by insecurity and partly by my desire to study biochemistry - one of the UW's strongest programs. As others have mentioned, one look at Madison's facilities will tell you that it's just different - the state's financial investments are not unfounded; UW scientists were discovering vitamins and curative agents before UW-Milwaukee was even built. If you haven't seen the array of opportunities available to Madison undergraduates, I'm sorry, but you have no idea what comprehensive, self-motivated education is really about. As for the summer class, I'll echo what others have said - the kids you're "competing" against aren't taking summer classes at UWM to prove their mettle - enough said. Being from Milwaukee myself, I hate to admit that anything in Madison is exceptional, but I am certain that the UW has given me more than UWM ever could have. I'm about as anti-elitist as they come, but please choose your battles more wisely in the future - it's called THE UW for a reason. On Wisconsin.

how would you know what UWM had to offer if you went to Whitewater?

 

[PhT]

how would you know what UWM had to offer if you went to Whitewater?

Being experienced consumers of higher education, there are certain things we should all be able to agree on. Incidentally, one of those things is the macroscopic effect of money, state provided or otherwise. It takes little imagination to see that, all other things approximately equal, more institutional dollars translate to more opportunities for the consumers of said institution's services. In other words, unless the accountants at UWM know something that those in Madison don't, the UW's endowment (relative to that of UWM) tells you that there is simply more going on Madison from an educational standpoint. Furthermore, my statement about each school's offerings was made with respect to my own situation - biochemistry at UW-Madison is among the best in the nation... UWM doesn't even have a standalone department. Thanks for asking.

 

[45408]

Being experienced consumers of higher education, there are certain things we should all be able to agree on. Incidentally, one of those things is the macroscopic effect of money, state provided or otherwise. It takes little imagination to see that, all other things approximately equal, more institutional dollars translate to more opportunities for the consumers of said institution's services. In other words, unless the accountants at UWM know something that those in Madison don't, the UW's endowment (relative to that of UWM) tells you that there is simply more going on Madison from an educational standpoint. Furthermore, my statement about each school's offerings was made with respect to my own situation - biochemistry at UW-Madison is among the best in the nation... UWM doesn't even have a standalone department. Thanks for asking.

😎 apparently condescension 101 is involved in all that extra state money.

 

[PhT]

😎 apparently condescension 101 is involved in all that extra state money.

As brief and witty as you appear to be, your one-liners aren't contributing to the utility of this thread. My posts aren't meant to come across as arrogant, however, the undercurrent of insecurity that pervades this thread may prevent you and/or others from seeing that. I'm simply providing an argument for debate - it may behoove you to develop a thoughtful response rather than pithy quips designed to undermine the validity of my input. And for what it's worth, there was no condescension in this post or any other - my lack of patronization for you or UWM in general belies it. I don't doubt the quality of your education but rather your ability to demonstrate it in a way that is insightful for those interested in this topic.

 

[Ottercreek]

UW-Madison is the premier public state university in the midwest after Michigan. You may be a smart fellow, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the institution. UW has some of the top basic science departments in the country, and some of the premier medicine specialities (transplant, radiation oncology, etc.). Madison is clearly superior in terms of opportunities provided. That being said, if you finish at the the top of your class at UWM, then you have just as good a chance of getting a harvard residency, as medical education is standardized.

 

[Agent Splat]

Being experienced consumers of higher education, there are certain things we should all be able to agree on. Incidentally, one of those things is the macroscopic effect of money, state provided or otherwise. It takes little imagination to see that, all other things approximately equal, more institutional dollars translate to more opportunities for the consumers of said institution's services. In other words, unless the accountants at UWM know something that those in Madison don't, the UW's endowment (relative to that of UWM) tells you that there is simply more going on Madison from an educational standpoint. Furthermore, my statement about each school's offerings was made with respect to my own situation - biochemistry at UW-Madison is among the best in the nation... UWM doesn't even have a standalone department. Thanks for asking.

Plus you can get tear-gassed for free on Halloween.

But I really want to know where UW-Green Bay fits in. Cause we had dorm rooms with their own toilets and showers. That's gotta count for SOMETHING.

 

[45408]

As brief and witty as you appear to be, your one-liners aren't contributing to the utility of this thread. My posts aren't meant to come across as arrogant, however, the undercurrent of insecurity that pervades this thread may prevent you and/or others from seeing that. I'm simply providing an argument for debate - it may behoove you to develop a thoughtful response rather than pithy quips designed to undermine the validity of my input. And for what it's worth, there was no condescension in this post or any other - my lack of patronization for you or UWM in general belies it. I don't doubt the quality of your education but rather your ability to demonstrate it in a way that is insightful for those interested in this topic.

Nor do your verbose replies necessarily add any validity to your opinions. You were laying your opinion down thick about a school you never attended, which I pointed out, and when I called you on being condescending, as your last line clearly was ("Thanks for asking"), you replied with another aloof post.


Oh, by the way. Internet: Serious business.

 

[45408]

Plus you can get tear-gassed for free on Halloween.

Or do a four-story beer bong at Playboy's #1 Party School in the nation.

 

[Agent Splat]

Or do a four-story beer bong at Playboy's #1 Party School in the nation.

Or get burritos as big as your head on State Street.

 

[45408]

Let us dispense with such levity and address matters with greater gravity. The aforementioned institution in the center of the fine state of beer and cheese is highly capable of producing extremely intoxicated students at a rate that few other institutions of higher education can boast. While I would like to contend that the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee can rival the inebriation, I must yield the crown to the undisputed king.

 

[Agent Splat]

Let us dispense with such levity and address matters with greater gravity. The aforementioned institution in the center of the fine state of beer and cheese is highly capable of producing extremely intoxicated students at a rate that few other institutions of higher education can boast. While I would like to contend that the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee can rival the inebriation, I must yield the crown to the undisputed king.

I am in concurrence with your analysis of the ethanol-based beverage consumption at both institutions. Furthermore, in addition to the aforementioned crown which you have yielded, I must also yield the mascot crown to the University of Wisconsin Madison (hereafter: Madison). The choice of a small rodent-like creature over a large predatory feline is far more appealing. The opportunities for one to sing out "BadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerMUSHROOMUSHROOM" are far superior to any potential cheers to energize a crowd over a Panther. Madison is to be commended.

Oh, and an interesting anecdote, if I may interject another matter of irrelevance. The mascot of the University of Wisconsin Green Bay (hereafter UWGB), currently the "Phoenix" was originally intended, as determined from a list of submitted concepts by a majority vote by the student body, to be the "Killer Tomatoes." However, administrative officials found this far too inappropriate.

 

[45408]

To partake in the vernacular, "Madison" indeed sports the attractive state mammal in a very attractive fashion. Had they not been inventing vitamins prior to the establishment of the institution represented by the darkly pigmented feline, it would indeed have been a very viable, and to be quite honest, surprisingly enticing option.

 

[Andre04]

PhT is OWNED.

 

[biggoron42]

I post very infrequently, but this was too good to pass up. I transferred to UW-Madison from UW-Whitewater after my sophomore year only to find out that I could still do just as well.

i thought he did attend UWM?

 

[PhT]

i thought he did attend UWM?

Within the U. of Wisconsin system, the acronym 'UWM' almost always implies UW-Milwaukee. UW-Madison typically goes by Wisconsin, UW, or simply Madison. This confusing notation is partly responsible for UW-Milwaukee's motions for a name change over the past couple of years.

 

[PhT]

Let us dispense with such levity and address matters with greater gravity. The aforementioned institution in the center of the fine state of beer and cheese is highly capable of producing extremely intoxicated students at a rate that few other institutions of higher education can boast. While I would like to contend that the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee can rival the inebriation, I must yield the crown to the undisputed king.

I was beginning to wonder why you found yourself so qualified to identify condescension in my posts, but this invaluable contribution brought my conjecture to an abrubt halt. Perhaps your own tendency toward sarcasm predisposes you to observing it in others? In any case, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, but I really was thankful for the chance to explain my opinions in greater detail. As for the internet being "serious business", look no further than my posts per day average to see how invested I am in the SDN forums - by that measure, it would appear that the internet (or at least these forums) are a much larger and more "serious" part of your life than mine. Discretion is the better part of valor, my friend. May we re-establish our focus on the original topic, please?

 

[Andre04]

I was beginning to wonder why you found yourself so qualified to identify condescension in my posts, but this invaluable contribution brought my conjecture to an abrubt halt. Perhaps your own tendency toward sarcasm predisposes you to observing it in others? In any case, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, but I really was thankful for the chance to explain my opinions in greater detail. As for the internet being "serious business", look no further than my posts per day average to see how invested I am in the SDN forums - by that measure, it would appear that the internet (or at least these forums) are a much larger and more "serious" part of your life than mine. Discretion is the better part of valor, my friend. May we re-establish our focus on the original topic, please?

Do you have any friends?

 

[MEG@COOL]

I have been inscure about competing with students from Madison when applying to medical school since I go to UWM-Milwaukee ( a tier III school for undergraduate ). My insecurity was lifted this summer when I finished first in physics despite all the madison students coming home for summer and taking class at UW-Milwaukee.

I took organic II last summer and I finished second behind another kid from UW-Milwaukee ( a friend of mine ). We were also competing against all the madison kids home for summer.

These two summer sessions make me seriously doubt the reputation of madison as a superior science school or really any of the top tier schools. If us tier III students can compete and beat the madison student we probably can compete and beat any student from any university. So I seriously doibt that attending big name expensive schools in worth the money.

whooaaa.... I almost forgot to mention that my physics prof who has been teaching summer physics said he never noticed the madison kids scoring better than the kids from UW-Milwaukee or kids from any other schools home for the summer.

Tier 1 means on average they have better students, and a larger number of top students. It doesnt mean they are all smart.

 

[PhT]

Do you have any friends?

More insight from the peanut gallery. I have made a few friends in my day, however, I don't visit SDN with the intent of making more. Two lame-duck posts in a row for you 👎 .

 

[45408]

I was beginning to wonder why you found yourself so qualified to identify condescension in my posts, but this invaluable contribution brought my conjecture to an abrubt halt. Perhaps your own tendency toward sarcasm predisposes you to observing it in others? In any case, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, but I really was thankful for the chance to explain my opinions in greater detail. As for the internet being "serious business", look no further than my posts per day average to see how invested I am in the SDN forums - by that measure, it would appear that the internet (or at least these forums) are a much larger and more "serious" part of your life than mine. Discretion is the better part of valor, my friend. May we re-establish our focus on the original topic, please?

Ah, the ad post counte argument on SDN is nearly as famous as the ad bad future doctore argument. I am sure that you have some sort of side interests yourself that consume your time. Five posts a day takes about 10 minutes.

 

[MollyMalone]

Ah, the ad post counte argument on SDN is nearly as famous as the ad bad future doctore argument. I am sure that you have some sort of side interests yourself that consume your time. Five posts a day takes about 10 minutes.

Awesome. Should go down in the annals of SDN.

I salute you.

(Not that I have anything at all against PhT... quite the contrary. But it was beautiful. <wipes tear from eye>)