vandy wants me to list all other schools applied to..

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on their secondary, and i applied to around 25, due to not having a handle on my competitiveness (still don't)

how did y'all handle that? anyone call them? are they going to ding me for applying to so many? because i actually really like their program...

apologies if you already saw this in pre-allopathic; it is more appropriate here.
 
on their secondary, and i applied to around 25, due to not having a handle on my competitiveness (still don't)

how did y'all handle that? anyone call them? are they going to ding me for applying to so many? because i actually really like their program...

apologies if you already saw this in pre-allopathic; it is more appropriate here.

I just added all the schools I'm applying to. If they have a problem then that's their issue. I think it just shows I'm open to going anywhere...
 
well, it would be a different story if they had a "why do you want to come here" box next to it... because i really like vanderbilt. but it's not necessarily going to look like it when i list so many.

anyway, i certainly wouldn't be dishonest on an application, so i guess the solution is obvious, but i just don't like it 🙁
 
well, it would be a different story if they had a "why do you want to come here" box next to it... because i really like vanderbilt. but it's not necessarily going to look like it when i list so many.

anyway, i certainly wouldn't be dishonest on an application, so i guess the solution is obvious, but i just don't like it 🙁
Why not leave it blank? I agree that you shouldn't ever lie (and certainly not in black and white!), but there's no rule saying that you must fill every blank they have on an app, is there? (Nature abhors a vacuum and premeds abhor an unfilled blank???) When I applied to UF a couple of years ago, they asked the same question, and I plain didn't answer it. Left it completely blank. My ignoring the question wasn't even brought up at the interview, and UF was one of my first acceptances come Oct. 15. 🙂

This must either be a new thing Vandy is doing, or maybe it's just for MD/PhD apps. They definitely didn't ask me to list where else I applied two years ago for MD-only.
 
I'm rather disconcerted by the trend of people applying to dozens and dozens of programs. It's like people are just casting out a fishing net to see which ones they happened to get accepted to.

IMO, it would reflect a lot better on applicants if they would just do their research, pick 2 or 3 programs they are genuinely interested in, and focus on getting admitted to those.

Do you HAVE to let them know where else you have applied? No. But you certainly should be prepared to address that question when it is posed.
 
I'm rather disconcerted by the trend of people applying to dozens and dozens of programs. It's like people are just casting out a fishing net to see which ones they happened to get accepted to.

May I suggest dislodging the stick and getting off the tall equine before posting again? 🙄
 
IMO, it would reflect a lot better on applicants if they would just do their research, pick 2 or 3 programs they are genuinely interested in, and focus on getting admitted to those.

I would love to do this, but how? I've applied, received a secondary, completed that to the best of my ability, sent my LORs in, and paid the fee. What more is there to do to "focus on getting admitted" to the schools I applied to? If a school chooses to interview me, sure I'll do a lot of preparation, but there's nothing else to be done.

IMO, if you have the ability to come this far and have schools considering you for the final stages prior to acceptance, you have the ability to "focus on" multiple schools.
 
I'm rather disconcerted by the trend of people applying to dozens and dozens of programs. It's like people are just casting out a fishing net to see which ones they happened to get accepted to.

IMO, it would reflect a lot better on applicants if they would just do their research, pick 2 or 3 programs they are genuinely interested in, and focus on getting admitted to those.

Do you HAVE to let them know where else you have applied? No. But you certainly should be prepared to address that question when it is posed.
Part of the problem is that starting out, it's hard for many of us to know where we want to go. And initially, you don't know how many invites you'll get, nor which schools will give them to you. Putting all of your efforts into wooing two or three schools before you know whether your love is even potentially requited is a pretty risky strategy. I got accepted to about half of the 22 schools where I applied; had I taken your tact and chosen the wrong three schools, I might be just about done with my post doc today. 🙂 That being said, I agree that more than a couple dozen schools is overkill, even for people who feel like they need a lot of options. If I had to do it over again, I'd still probably have applied to about 15-20 schools though. That's my plan for residency apps in a couple of years too.
 
1. This isn't illegal.

2. Most schools (besides Harvard and other top places) want to know who they are competing against. They generally do not use this info to choose whether or not to extend an acceptance.

I know these things because I spent two years on an admissions committee, (albeit for graduate school) and my PhD mentor served time on the same committee, as well as the MD admissions committee and told me there was no difference.
 
I'm rather disconcerted by the trend of people applying to dozens and dozens of programs. It's like people are just casting out a fishing net to see which ones they happened to get accepted to.

IMO, it would reflect a lot better on applicants if they would just do their research, pick 2 or 3 programs they are genuinely interested in, and focus on getting admitted to those.

Do you HAVE to let them know where else you have applied? No. But you certainly should be prepared to address that question when it is posed.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.. most people do not know at the outset what schools they will like and dislike until they visit. You may think you'll love, say, UPenn, and wanting to love UPenn will certainly influence your opinion of the place if/when you get interviewed there. But nothing short of an interview will give you insight into the happiness of the students, the reliability of the program administration, and the general nature of the faculty members in your area of interest at a particular institution.

I agree with you in that the OP should not feel it necessary to display all of where he/she applied on the Vandy app. The same goes for interviews. I usually answered the question about where else I applied with "It's extremely challenging to gain acceptance to an MSTP, so I have applied to quite a few schools." -- and only once did someone push me further, at which point I dropped a few names of places I had already been accepted.
 
Well, being able to construct a persuasive argument is a critical skill that we will all need to develop in order to have successful careers, so I'm not going to sit around and debate anyone on the dos or donts of the "shotgun spray" tactic of applying to dozens of different programs.

I can tell you from experience that most programs tend to take candidates a little more seriously when they recognize the applicant has developed a genuine interest in their particular program.

That's why I say it would behoove you to do your research. Try to learn as much as you can about the program, find out about current research projects the faculty is presently investigating, try to get to know those faculty whose projects you are interested in, etc. There are no programs that I am aware of that will ask you to commit to a particular lab or curriculum upon acceptance, but if you are perceived as being well informed regarding their program and working toward developing a plan of action, you will have a much greater chance of being accepted. Saying "well, I applied to Hopkins, WashU, Standford, and Harvard, and then I decided to apply to UCSF too just because they are also Top 5" probably isn't going to get you very far.
 
Well, being able to construct a persuasive argument is a critical skill that we will all need to develop in order to have successful careers, so I'm not going to sit around and debate anyone on the dos or donts of the "shotgun spray" tactic of applying to dozens of different programs.

I can tell you from experience that most programs tend to take candidates a little more seriously when they recognize the applicant has developed a genuine interest in their particular program.

That's why I say it would behoove you to do your research. Try to learn as much as you can about the program, find out about current research projects the faculty is presently investigating, try to get to know those faculty whose projects you are interested in, etc. There are no programs that I am aware of that will ask you to commit to a particular lab or curriculum upon acceptance, but if you are perceived as being well informed regarding their program and working toward developing a plan of action, you will have a much greater chance of being accepted. Saying "well, I applied to Hopkins, WashU, Standford, and Harvard, and then I decided to apply to UCSF too just because they are also Top 5" probably isn't going to get you very far.

I agree that applicants should research the schools they're are interested in. Does that mean only apply to 3 or 4 schools? No. I've spent the summer poring over websites and faculty research interests and lab pages. The more I read about a particular school, the more I become interested in said school - not the opposite. For the first time in my life I am a decently competitive applicant and have no idea where I want to spend the next 8 years of my life. I am keeping my options open. I may get an interview at Hopkins and absolutely despise the location or the people. I may get an interview at a lower school and absolutely love the faculty members and students, etc. I think it very unwise to assume that everyone on this site is aiming for the highest ranked school they can get into.

I apologize if I sound a little harsh but I've had friends give me cr@p for applying to schools NOT in the top 10 or 15 etc.


-j
 
i ended up listing them, although sometimes when they had trouble coming up with a match for what i had typed, i confess that i didn't spend any more time looking.

i do think it's pretty unfair to expect us to cut down applications too much, given how hard it is to get in. i don't believe that i (or many of us) are competitive enough to be terribly picky. rather, the approach is "would i rather go here or nowhere at all" by the end of the interview season, i'm sure i will have been rejected by some and will have ranked the ones i interviewed at. if i get into my top choices, fantastic. but i will be very very very happy to get in at any of the places i applied to, even though there are a lot.

and there are a little over 20 schools that i would rather go to than go nowhere at all 😉
 
Why not leave it blank? I agree that you shouldn't ever lie (and certainly not in black and white!), but there's no rule saying that you must fill every blank they have on an app, is there? (Nature abhors a vacuum and premeds abhor an unfilled blank???) When I applied to UF a couple of years ago, they asked the same question, and I plain didn't answer it. Left it completely blank. My ignoring the question wasn't even brought up at the interview, and UF was one of my first acceptances come Oct. 15. 🙂

This must either be a new thing Vandy is doing, or maybe it's just for MD/PhD apps. They definitely didn't ask me to list where else I applied two years ago for MD-only.

Well, I left mine blank (by accident, as it were) and today Vandy sent me an interview invite. Further empirical evidence to support Q's claim. God, I love the scientific method!
 
I apologize if I sound a little harsh but I've had friends give me cr@p for applying to schools NOT in the top 10 or 15 etc.

Get different friends......
 
That's why I say it would behoove you to do your research. Try to learn as much as you can about the program, find out about current research projects the faculty is presently investigating, try to get to know those faculty whose projects you are interested in, etc.

I couldn't disagree with your post more. The top programs are top ranked for a reason. The rankings probably mean more for MD/PhD students, since they take into account NIH funding levels, than they do for MD students. It's no coiincedence that if you look at the rankings and compare it to a MSTP list, all of the MSTP schools are top in the research rankings consecutively from 1 on down into the 30s if I recall correctly. There's extremely few outliers--almost no MSTPs outside of the top 30s and I think every school in the top 20 research rankings is MSTP now (Mayo was the exception up until a few years ago). Then when you go better in the rankings, the larger programs tend to be more and more highly ranked. WashU and Penn are #1 and #2 in size. See where they are on the rankings?

If you even try to research programs, it's impossible to know what you're looking at until you go to a program, and even when you interview you get a very skewed and selected look at a school. Websites are often times out of date, cheerleading, and misleading. Labs you look up on websites sometimes no longer exist, are going to move, or won't take MD/PhD students for a variety of reasons. If you've never been to a location, you wouldn't know how nice or not nice it really is until you go and look for yourself. When I would list faculty I would like to meet when I would interview, I almost never got them. The real reason was sometimes because they were unavailable, but more often because they were mostly clinicians who had some interests but no grad students or they had no funding or they were awful mentors, etc etc etc... The MD/PhD offices of course screen these lists but don't tell you and you won't know about these things until you're a student at a program locked in, and trying to find a lab. So again, larger schools with more and more options, especially in your area of interest but not necessarily, are KEY in where to apply. The rankings reflect this size and number of options. It doesn't necessarily reflect location, which I think should also come highly into consideration. Then again, you wouldn't necessarily know (I didn't) that Northwestern is in a beautiful area of Chicago and UChicago is a really ugly part of Chicago until you go to interview.

The absolute worst advice I got when applying was always from my undergrad advisors and faculty. In retrospect, they had no clue where to tell me to go as a MD/PhD, but always sounded like they were sure of themselves. I wish I had applied to more of the schools in the top-20, because honestly I applied to a lot of schools that were totally wrong for me based off of being told "Oh, they're strong for X" when in reality the lab that made them strong in X moved 5 years ago or people telling me how nice Cleveland was to live in, for example.

There was also this sense from SDN that I didn't want to be a numbers *****. I should have some genuine interest in the school rather than just numbers. Yeah right. Whatever interests I had at the time were mostly misplaced and kind of irrelevant because again, I was a premed and had no idea what I was doing. I ended up doing something completely unrelated to what I started doing, and I'm so glad I went to a big name school because we're strong in many, many things and I had those options to choose a lab in what became my clinical area of interest. As a result I couldn't be happier with my lab, but it's almost only the big name schools that are strong in this area of medicine. I would have not had nearly as many options at my second choice program (ranked in the 20s) and I would have been sent to a campus an hour away for what I do. So in my mind, ranking, either MD or grad school, is one of the better reasons for choosing to apply to a school. It shows a strong reputation and high number of faculty generally or in your area of research.

I know it's an unpopular opinion to say "Go off of the rankings", so I fully expect to get flamed. That's fine. I just wanted to put my opposing viewpoint out there.
 
Well, I left mine blank (by accident, as it were) and today Vandy sent me an interview invite. Further empirical evidence to support Q's claim. God, I love the scientific method!
:laugh: And since the plural of "anecdote" is "fact," clearly we have our fact straight. 😀

All kidding aside, guys, I really don't think it matters one iota whether you fill in those blanks or not on apps. The tricky thing is that an interviewer might ask you to name names at some point, and in that case I'd do it so you don't look evasive. But you know, you don't necessarily have to name *all* the names. I applied to 22 schools, and I sure as heck wasn't going to rattle off the whole list to the one interviewer out of, say, three dozen total who asked me that question. So I named about half a dozen schools that he would have probably guessed I would apply to anyway, he nodded, and we moved on. Again, no biggie.

Neuronix said:
I know it's an unpopular opinion to say "Go off of the rankings", so I fully expect to get flamed. That's fine. I just wanted to put my opposing viewpoint out there.
I'd certainly never flame you, Neuro, but I don't think being a slave to rankings is too great of an idea either. It's not like if you get accepted to one top research school versus another that you should automatically pick the one with the highest ranking just because it has the highest ranking. In fact, I'd even wager that any school in the top 20 or 30 for research is probably pretty equally poised to give you enough good research opportunities. I certainly wouldn't blame you if you picked a top ten school over school ranked in the fifties. But if you tell me that a school ranked in the top ten has way better research opportunities than a school ranked in the top twenty and probably even in the top thirty, well, I still won't flame you, but I *will* laugh at you and shake my head a little. 😉
 
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