Vaxxed the movie

[Chriskahn]

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Anyone seen this movie? What do you think?

Its not so much antivaxx but more like anti multi course MMR because it causes autism and the CDC tried covering it up by leaving out crucial info (getting the MMR vaccine before the age of 3 increases the risk of autism in African American boys by 340%) in their study says the ex CDC senior researcher aka the CDC whistle blower.

The CDC claimed they left out that info because the methods of gathering the info was flawed. It has something to do with the lack of birth certificates of some of the test subjects so they could only use data from kids with birth certificates, which threw the numbers off.

Personally, I can't really see why the CDC would cover anything up since its not them that takes the fall if the MMR-autism link was true. I feel like they would be the hero in that situation.

Anyways, whats annoying is that a movie/documentary about ONE vaccine will cause antivaxxers to believe that ALL vaccines are bad.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Gtfo with your anti vaxx bull**** please

Thanks.

 

[Carol is Alpha]

Oh, the SEEBs are going to have a fit with this documentary.

How many here fit this bill? https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.bnpg4free

 

[Chriskahn]

Gtfo with your anti vaxx bull**** please

Thanks.

lol you need to improve your reading comprehension pharmbro...never said I was antivaxx at all.

 

[ldiot]

Oh, the SEEBs are going to have a fit with this documentary.

How many here fit this bill? https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.bnpg4free

I skimmed your link and sadly this type of pseudointellectual is prominent. Lots of cases in the world where people regulate things or speak with authority on subjects in which they know nothing about.

 

[Unchained]

Anyone seen this movie? What do you think?

Its not so much antivaxx but more like anti multi course MMR because it causes autism and the CDC tried covering it up by leaving out crucial info (getting the MMR vaccine before the age of 3 increases the risk of autism in African American boys by 340%) in their study says the ex CDC senior researcher aka the CDC whistle blower.

The CDC claimed they left out that info because the methods of gathering the info was flawed. It has something to do with the lack of birth certificates of some of the test subjects so they could only use data from kids with birth certificates, which threw the numbers off.

Personally, I can't really see why the CDC would cover anything up since its not them that takes the fall if the MMR-autism link was true. I feel like they would be the hero in that situation.

Anyways, whats annoying is that a movie/documentary about ONE vaccine will cause antivaxxers to believe that ALL vaccines are bad.

Chris, actually the CDC has much to lose. The CDC is the advertising wing of the Vax industry. Like all the other branches of gov't they get funding and contributions from pharmaceutical companies and lobbyists. The CDC isn't interested in looking like a hero. They are interested in making certain the CDC keeps receiving large checks.

 

[mustang sally]

Do you have a link to the actual CDC study?

Thought the whole autism controversy with MMR primarily stemmed from Andrew Wakefield; really never heard anything about a CDC study.

 

[Chriskahn]

Do you have a link to the actual CDC study?

Thought the whole autism controversy with MMR primarily stemmed from Andrew Wakefield; really never heard anything about a CDC study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

Thompson is the whistle blower that claims the 2004 CDC study is fraud. Apparently he cant live with himself knowing that the truth was covered up.

 

[Old Timer]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936

Thompson is the whistle blower that claims the 2004 CDC study is fraud. Apparently he cant live with himself knowing that the truth was covered up.

Really: The abstract says no differences. What are they c0vering up, magic jelly beans?

 

[BidingMyTime]

Haven't seen the movie, so no comment on that.

I agree with the OP thought, I don't see that his first post was anti-vax, just asking opinions.

 

[Unchained]

I'd like to see a study done to compare MMR vaccinated children to unvaccinated children.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Haven't seen the movie, so no comment on that.

I agree with the OP thought, I don't see that his first post was anti-vax, just asking opinions.

I prefer not to spotlight any antivax articles, movies, etc. Don't post about it, there's already more than enough nonsense on the internet to scare people from vaccines; no need to discuss an extremely biased and fear mongering antivax video. Lol if you spent 2 hours of your life watching that crap.

Just my 2 cents.

Edit: this just in
http://thesciencepost.com/97-of-ant...d-medical-articles-rely-on-title-as-evidence/

 

[BidingMyTime]

I prefer not to spotlight any antivax articles, movies, etc. Don't post about it, there's already more than enough nonsense on the internet to scare people from vaccines; no need to discuss an extremely biased and fear mongering antivax video. Lol if you spent 2 hours of your life watching that crap.
Just my 2 cents.

The issue is, people are being swayed by this, so as professionals we need to know the comment arguments against vaccines and have appropriate answers. In this case, even a pharmacy student had watched the movie and is questioning whether some of the points in the movie are valid.

I don't want to take the time to watch the movie, but I do want to get the Cliff Notes of the movie from someone who did.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

The issue is, people are being swayed by this, so as professionals we need to know the comment arguments against vaccines and have appropriate answers. In this case, even a pharmacy student had watched the movie and is questioning whether some of the points in the movie are valid.

I don't want to take the time to watch the movie, but I do want to get the Cliff Notes of the movie from someone who did.

I agree, but good luck speaking/arguing with those people and getting them to change their preconceived notions. They are not logical thinking people, and you have to ignore their tin foil hats... it is quite distracting when speaking to them.

 

[Chriskahn]

Really: The abstract says no differences. What are they c0vering up, magic jelly beans?

I dunno but people are really eating up this documentary though...its a 2016 thing (How to make a murderer, A girl like her, JobBenet Ramsey, OJ Simpson). All of a sudden everyone is an expert in law, pharmacology, and psychology.

 

[owlegrad]

Haven't seen the movie, so no comment on that.

I agree with the OP thought, I don't see that his first post was anti-vax, just asking opinions.

No offense to OP, but this is an issue where just asking the question implies agreement with the statement. It's like starting a thread by asking, hey what do yall think of Trump's Art of the Deal? The implication is you like it or agree with it.

Not that I am judging being open minded. Just saying if OP doesn't want to be thought of as antivax they should be more careful how they post. Just my two cents though.

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[Chriskahn]

No offense to OP, but this is an issue where just asking the question implies agreement with the statement. It's like starting a thread by asking, hey what do yall think of Trump's Art of the Deal? The implication is you like it or agree with it.

Not that I am judging being open minded. Just saying if OP doesn't want to be thought of as antivax they should be more careful how they post. Just my two cents though.

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Agreed. I could have been more clear of my stance on the situation. But the majority of most conflicts on the internet stems from a wrongful assumption.

 

[Carol is Alpha]

https://web.archive.org/web/2011092...nment-affairs/foia/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf

 

[PharmDBro2017]

https://web.archive.org/web/2011092...nment-affairs/foia/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf

A transcript from 2000 is important? I don't have time to read 286 pages of discussion, that we have progressed from during the last 16 years in the medical field. Doesn't look mic drop worthy to me, to say the least.

It seems you have a lot of free time on your hands with all the conspiracy theory crap you post Carol. I somehow doubt you managed to read that entire thing, still. If you posted some quotes from the transcript that you think are relevant, page # included, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Carol is Alpha]

This document came to my attention I think back in 2008. I had read thru it then and it opened my mind to being at least agnostic on the issue. I researched so more and I found it really hard to believe there was no connection between vaccines and autoimmune disorders.

It's not easy to find the research because the vaccine manufacturers sponsor so many studies tailored (fixed) to allay professionals' concerns. My HD unfortunately died last year and I lost all my bookmarked studies supporting the vaccine/autoimmune disorder link. They weren't easy to find. The trick was to not use certain search terms because those would bring up all the manufactured-sponsored garbage. I'm going to have to re-discover these documents. All I remember is that I kind of stumbled upon them while researching something else and once I had the right search terms..bang...there was a whole new world of literature out there.

When I get time I'll post some excerpts from the transcript and anything else I rediscover. Meanwhile don't be so quick to throw out the "conspiracy theory" label. That can easily be countered with Taleb's "Intellectual Yet Idiot" or what I like to call a "Socially Engineered E-Trade Baby". SEEB.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

This document came to my attention I think back in 2008. I had read thru it then and it opened my mind to being at least agnostic on the issue. I researched so more and I found it really hard to believe there was no connection between vaccines and autoimmune disorders.

It's not easy to find the research because the vaccine manufacturers sponsor so many studies tailored (fixed) to allay professionals' concerns. My HD unfortunately died last year and I lost all my bookmarked studies supporting the vaccine/autoimmune disorder link. They weren't easy to find. The trick was to not use certain search terms because those would bring up all the manufactured-sponsored garbage. I'm going to have to re-discover these documents. All I remember is that I kind of stumbled upon them while researching something else and once I had the right search terms..bang...there was a whole new world of literature out there.

When I get time I'll post some excerpts from the transcript and anything else I rediscover. Meanwhile don't be so quick to throw out the "conspiracy theory" label. That can easily be countered with Taleb's "Intellectual Yet Idiot" or what I like to call a "Socially Engineered E-Trade Baby". SEEB.

Agnostic, yes. Until there is sufficient evidence to sway one to make a sound decision.

In this case, there is hundreds, if not thousands, of studies showing that vaccines are overall extremely safe and efficacious. Thus, there is no debate here.

Until I see a sufficient amount of evidence to sway me in the other direction (well designed clinical trials with good methodology, that don't involve Wakefield [lol]), I will keep being a proponent of immunizations.... like the rest of 99.8% of medical doctors and pharmacists out there.

 

[owlegrad]

So why do we trust ANY pharmaceutical studies sponsored by "Big Pharma" if we can't trust vaccine studies? What is so special about vaccines that they get all the attention/distrust?

 

[Carol is Alpha]

Agnostic, yes. Until there is sufficient evidence to sway one to make a sound decision.

In this case, there is hundreds, if not thousands, of studies showing that vaccines are overall extremely safe and efficacious. Thus, there is no debate here.

Until I see a sufficient amount of evidence to sway me in the other direction (well designed clinical trials with good methodology, that don't involve Wakefield [lol]), I will keep being a proponent of immunizations.... like the rest of 99.8% of medical doctors and pharmacists out there.

There is debate. This is far from a settled issue. Give me time. I'm a little preoccupied with the collapse of Deutsche Bank. I'll dig up some stuff and we may have to get in the weeds. This should be a good thread in which both sides learn a lot.