Very important question regarding residencies and GPAs

[desklamp]

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I do not know how common this is across pharmacy schools. I personally find it a little bit baffling. I have been a post-college graduate for about 4 years now and am in my first year of pharmacy school, yet my pharmacy school calculates cumulative GPA as if I were a transfer student. Meaning my 4.0 (technically 4.15) GPA is now a 3.0 cumulative GPA, with little hope of bringing it up very high, due to having to counteract 4 years worth of undergrad credits.

I was under the impression that entering a graduate program was essentially a clean slate as far as GPA, and that residencies would be looking at your PHARMACY SCHOOL gpa, not undergraduate as well.

So I guess my question is 2 parts, for those of you who have gone through the matching process:

1) Do residencies look at your pharm school GPA or your "cumulative" GPA? Do you submit your undergraduate transcript usually?

2) Is this common, to lump a bachelors and a doctorate GPA together?

3) I've seen a couple residencies requiring submission of undergraduate transcripts. Is my 2.8 undergrad GPA from 4 years ago seriously going to offset a 4.0 or near 4.0 GPA in a "doctorate" program and put me at a disadvantage? I kind of feel like just giving up now.

I know med school residencies look at your USMLE scores and how many honors you get, undergraduate gpa being essentially disregarded, so this really makes no sense to me.

 

[spacecowgirl]

I do not know how common this is across pharmacy schools. I personally find it a little bit baffling. I have been a post-college graduate for about 4 years now and am in my first year of pharmacy school, yet my pharmacy school calculates cumulative GPA as if I were a transfer student. Meaning my 4.0 (technically 4.15) GPA is now a 3.0 cumulative GPA, with little hope of bringing it up very high, due to having to counteract 4 years worth of undergrad credits.

I was under the impression that entering a graduate program was essentially a clean slate as far as GPA, and that residencies would be looking at your PHARMACY SCHOOL gpa, not undergraduate as well.

So I guess my question is 2 parts, for those of you who have gone through the matching process:

1) Do residencies look at your pharm school GPA or your "cumulative" GPA? Do you submit your undergraduate transcript usually?

2) Is this common, to lump a bachelors and a doctorate GPA together?

3) I've seen a couple residencies requiring submission of undergraduate transcripts. Is my 2.8 undergrad GPA from 4 years ago seriously going to offset a 4.0 or near 4.0 GPA in a "doctorate" program and put me at a disadvantage? I kind of feel like just giving up now.

I never considered the clean slate idea, my school combined credits as well and I thought that was the norm. Maybe because you essentially are transferring vs. a PhD where you have to get another degree first? Don't give up, focus on your grades now.

Do you mean you have a 4.0 from 1 semester of pharm school or that you were taking classes prior to pharm school where you got all As? If it's the former, you might be getting ahead of yourself in worrying about a grad school 4.0. Just sayin' 😉

 

[Quiksilver]

I do not know how common this is across pharmacy schools. I personally find it a little bit baffling. I have been a post-college graduate for about 4 years now and am in my first year of pharmacy school, yet my pharmacy school calculates cumulative GPA as if I were a transfer student. Meaning my 4.0 (technically 4.15) GPA is now a 3.0 cumulative GPA, with little hope of bringing it up very high, due to having to counteract 4 years worth of undergrad credits.

I was under the impression that entering a graduate program was essentially a clean slate as far as GPA, and that residencies would be looking at your PHARMACY SCHOOL gpa, not undergraduate as well.

So I guess my question is 2 parts, for those of you who have gone through the matching process:

1) Do residencies look at your pharm school GPA or your "cumulative" GPA? Do you submit your undergraduate transcript usually?

2) Is this common, to lump a bachelors and a doctorate GPA together?

3) I've seen a couple residencies requiring submission of undergraduate transcripts. Is my 2.8 undergrad GPA from 4 years ago seriously going to offset a 4.0 or near 4.0 GPA in a "doctorate" program and put me at a disadvantage? I kind of feel like just giving up now.

I know med school residencies look at your USMLE scores and how many honors you get, undergraduate gpa being essentially disregarded, so this really makes no sense to me.

Grades aren't the entire picture. Extracurricular activities, research and having a hospital job are also pieces of the puzzle. Your goal is to have as many of those above as possible. You also need good letters of recommendation. In my opinion they will at least look at you if your GPA is above a 3.0. If they look at more then just your final GPA, they will see how your GPA is in fact off.

UB my credits transferred in as a pass/fail so I had a nice clean slate.

 

[Soonersyko]

Residencies don't look at graduate school GPA and pharmacy school isn't graduate school. I don't see the problem, OP.

 

[SHC1984]

Dang, thank goodness my undergraduate GPA was a 3.96, so I don't have anything to worry about! lol...

 

[CUpharmD2013]

I do not know how common this is across pharmacy schools. I personally find it a little bit baffling. I have been a post-college graduate for about 4 years now and am in my first year of pharmacy school, yet my pharmacy school calculates cumulative GPA as if I were a transfer student. Meaning my 4.0 (technically 4.15) GPA is now a 3.0 cumulative GPA, with little hope of bringing it up very high, due to having to counteract 4 years worth of undergrad credits.

I was under the impression that entering a graduate program was essentially a clean slate as far as GPA, and that residencies would be looking at your PHARMACY SCHOOL gpa, not undergraduate as well.

So I guess my question is 2 parts, for those of you who have gone through the matching process:

1) Do residencies look at your pharm school GPA or your "cumulative" GPA? Do you submit your undergraduate transcript usually?

2) Is this common, to lump a bachelors and a doctorate GPA together?

3) I've seen a couple residencies requiring submission of undergraduate transcripts. Is my 2.8 undergrad GPA from 4 years ago seriously going to offset a 4.0 or near 4.0 GPA in a "doctorate" program and put me at a disadvantage? I kind of feel like just giving up now.

I know med school residencies look at your USMLE scores and how many honors you get, undergraduate gpa being essentially disregarded, so this really makes no sense to me.

Since you are a non-traditional student, I would hope that residency application reviewers would put more emphasis on your pharmacy school GPA and less on your undergrad GPA. I don't know how the whole application process goes, but if you can separate the two, on a resume for instance, then you can highlight your success in pharmacy school. I think it would also be prudent for you to contact the registrar at your pharmacy school and find out why they accumulate everything, especially since you already have a bachelor's degree. I did a bachelor's, a master's, and am now working on a PharmD and all three have separate GPAs.

 

[desklamp]

I never considered the clean slate idea, my school combined credits as well and I thought that was the norm. Maybe because you essentially are transferring vs. a PhD where you have to get another degree first? Don't give up, focus on your grades now.

Do you mean you have a 4.0 from 1 semester of pharm school or that you were taking classes prior to pharm school where you got all As? If it's the former, you might be getting ahead of yourself in worrying about a grad school 4.0. Just sayin' 😉

i had a 4.0 my first semester of pharm school :/ . my undergrad gpa was a bit of a fluke due to personal issues so i was, at first, super happy that i had another chance to prove myself.

i know GPAs aren't everything, but now I am also worried that they base acceptance into Rho Chi and academic honors on the cumulative GPA, in which case I could work my ass off in pharmacy school and still have nothing.

i guess i am interested to see whether more of you out there have a combined bachelor's + pharm school GPA. it seems like some you got the clean slate, and some didn't, which to me, seems inconsistent and like someone needs to overhaul this whole pharmacy degree thing to make things more consistent (pre-reqs are all over the place, some schools don't require a degree, some schools don't even require standardized testing, it's a mess).

 

[Cloud 9]

i had a 4.0 my first semester of pharm school :/ . my undergrad gpa was a bit of a fluke due to personal issues so i was, at first, super happy that i had another chance to prove myself.

i know GPAs aren't everything, but now I am also worried that they base acceptance into Rho Chi and academic honors on the cumulative GPA, in which case I could work my ass off in pharmacy school and still have nothing.

i guess i am interested to see whether more of you out there have a combined bachelor's + pharm school GPA. it seems like some you got the clean slate, and some didn't, which to me, seems inconsistent and like someone needs to overhaul this whole pharmacy degree thing to make things more consistent (pre-reqs are all over the place, some schools don't require a degree, some schools don't even require standardized testing, it's a mess).

Did you go to a pharmacy school with the same undergraduate name? Like are both in the same institution?

 

[cycloketocaine]

🙂

 

[desklamp]

Did you go to a pharmacy school with the same undergraduate name? Like are both in the same institution?

Nope :/ went to a private four year university for bachelors, and the pharmacy school is a state school. my major wasn't pharmacy related either (i was pre-med, not pre-pharm though i guess the pre-reqs are similar). i know the school allows transfers into the pharmacy school for students who have done 2 years of undergrad so maybe this is why?

if this is the case, i don't understand why they can't combine GPAs for ACTUAL transfer students and not for people who have already completed a bachelors. 🙁 or is any pharmacy student considered a transfer?

 

[Soonersyko]

Why did you feel the need to throw this out there? I guess your GPA is why your parents loved you so much and why they pay your tuition. I bet if my undergrad GPA was higher my parents would love me more and pay my way through pharmacy school.

You sound angry about something. Either way, why can't you just disregard what she said? Pharmacy is considered undergraduate according to almost all major universities. Undergrad and pharmacy WILL be counted on her application.

 

[cycloketocaine]

🙂

 

[Soonersyko]

🙂

The karma will take care of itself. No worries.

 

[cycloketocaine]

The karma will take care of itself. No worries.

Well said.

 

[confettiflyer]

That is very strange, my school doesn't calculate undergraduate GPA into the mix. This makes no sense at all to me as it can give someone who took many random classes as an undergrad (ie social sciences, arts, etc...) a GPA boost without having further analysis. Residency sites are better off comparing candidates on even footing w/ an ACPE accredited curriculum vs. comparing disparate undergraduate backgrounds mixed in. At least PHARMCAS can break down GPA's into sGPA and cGPA.

Plus, I don't think grades that are 6-8yrs old and unrelated to pharmacy are at all instructive. Feel free to disagree.

 

[desklamp]

You sound angry about something. Either way, why can't you just disregard what she said? Pharmacy is considered undergraduate according to almost all major universities. Undergrad and pharmacy WILL be counted on her application.

So I'm basically doing 8 years of undergrad, is what you are saying? I'm confused why they consider pharmacy an undergraduate degree if it is referred to as a "doctorate" or "professional school'. Is it not a doctoral degree then?

What was the point of extending it to a 4 year program, changing the name from B.S. in Pharm to Pharm.D then? To make us feel better about "donating" hundreds of thousands of dollars to the school in extra tuition?

If pharmacy is not supposed to be considered a graduate or professional degree (which I disagree with), then do not advertise it as such. I feel misled and confused by the inconsistencies and at this point I am not surprised that so many other professionals students look at pharmacy students in a condescending light (e.g. when i asked to do basic research with a professor he basically told the grad student to dumb everything down for me).

 

[Cloud 9]

if this is the case, i don't understand why they can't combine GPAs for ACTUAL transfer students and not for people who have already completed a bachelors. 🙁 or is any pharmacy student considered a transfer?

I have no idea. I never thought anyone would combine them, especially if it's a different school, different level, different degree. Even when you transfer as an undergrad in my state, they don't count that GPA, they just give you the credits. I would especially think that in a graduate program they would start anew.

Then how come on residency applications it just asks for "pharmacy school transcripts"..? The residency programs imply that they don't want undergraduate grades, i.e. it's irrelevant.

Pharmacy is considered undergraduate according to almost all major universities. Undergrad and pharmacy WILL be counted on her application.

What?? Since when?? Residency apps only ask for pharmacy transcripts.

 

[owlegrad]

You sound angry about something. Either way, why can't you just disregard what she said? Pharmacy is considered undergraduate according to almost all major universities. Undergrad and pharmacy WILL be counted on her application.

😆

 

[spacecowgirl]

IIRC, my first two years were considered undergrad. Yes, I know they were because the loans were smaller which is why I took out a private loan.

I was a "non-trad" who got my BA and PharmD in completely different states and my GPA was cumulative for the 397532 college credits I had through my 9 years. That is the GPA that was used to figure my graduation honor status and what is on my transcript. I don't think I could get a separate transcript if I wanted one. 😕

 

[Soonersyko]

Are you guys kidding me? Pharmacy is an undergraduate program, no questions about it. When pharmacy students apply to law school, all of their grades in pre-pharm and pharmacy school are counted because law schools do not recognize graduate programs or grades in GPA. Ask the state bars in all 50 states if your Doctor of Pharmacy is enough to sit for the exam. They'll tell you yes because a Pharm.D. is not a graduate degree. You cannot sit for the bar without an undergraduate degree. Law schools, med schools, pharmacy schools, and nursing schools don't differ in their definition of undergraduate work. Professional != graduate. Big difference there. Pharmacy is undergraduate work. Period.

I'm sorry you think that getting a Pharm.D makes you a doctor. Maybe in the academic world, not in the world everybody else lives in. This is a harsh reality you need to accept.

Desklamp, you did two years of undergrad and four years of professional. I've never heard of an 8 year pharmacy program. Profession != graduate like I have said.

edit: Also, how come I never qualified for a graduate loan when I was in pharmacy school? All I could get were loans classified as "undergraduate".

 

[Cloud 9]

Are you guys kidding me? Pharmacy is an undergraduate program, no questions about it. When pharmacy students apply to law school, all of their grades in pre-pharm and pharmacy school are counted because law schools do not recognize graduate programs or grades in GPA. Ask the state bars in all 50 states if your Doctor of Pharmacy is enough to sit for the exam. They'll tell you yes because a Pharm.D. is not a graduate degree. You cannot sit for the bar without an undergraduate degree. Law schools, med schools, pharmacy schools, and nursing schools don't differ in their definition of undergraduate work. Professional != graduate. Big difference there. Pharmacy is undergraduate work. Period.

I'm sorry you think that getting a Pharm.D makes you a doctor. Maybe in the academic world, not in the world everybody else lives in. This is a harsh reality you need to accept.

edit: Also, how come I never qualified for a graduate loan when I was in pharmacy school? All I could get were loans classified as "undergraduate".

If it's an undergraduate program, then why do some pharmacy schools make you get an undergraduate degree before you can start?

 

[desklamp]

IIRC, my first two years were considered undergrad. Yes, I know they were because the loans were smaller which is why I took out a private loan.

I was a "non-trad" who got my BA and PharmD in completely different states and my GPA was cumulative for the 397532 college credits I had through my 9 years. That is the GPA that was used to figure my graduation honor status and what is on my transcript. I don't think I could get a separate transcript if I wanted one. 😕

that is so ridiculous and unfair that i don't even know where to begin 🙁 were you at a state school?

 

[owlegrad]

I'm sorry you think that getting a Pharm.D makes you a doctor. Maybe in the academic world, not in the world everybody else lives in. This is a harsh reality you need to accept.

Hilarious. The academic world is where doctors are made. It is the academic world who classifies us as graduate. The argument that we are not graduate students because "the rest of the world" doesn't think so is...hilarious? How on earth do you think that Doctor of Pharmacy is an undergraduate program? You must be baiting us, right?

And pharmacy students do qualify for graduate loans, as long as they have enough credits to do so. I won't comment on why you didn't qualify as I don't know your situation. And sense when did loans decide what level of student you are anyway? Your argument is flawed my friend.

 

[desklamp]

Are you guys kidding me? Pharmacy is an undergraduate program, no questions about it. When pharmacy students apply to law school, all of their grades in pre-pharm and pharmacy school are counted because law schools do not recognize graduate programs or grades in GPA. Ask the state bars in all 50 states if your Doctor of Pharmacy is enough to sit for the exam. They'll tell you yes because a Pharm.D. is not a graduate degree. You cannot sit for the bar without an undergraduate degree. Law schools, med schools, pharmacy schools, and nursing schools don't differ in their definition of undergraduate work. Professional != graduate. Big difference there. Pharmacy is undergraduate work. Period.

I'm sorry you think that getting a Pharm.D makes you a doctor. Maybe in the academic world, not in the world everybody else lives in. This is a harsh reality you need to accept.

Desklamp, you did two years of undergrad and four years of professional. I've never heard of an 8 year pharmacy program. Profession != graduate like I have said.

edit: Also, how come I never qualified for a graduate loan when I was in pharmacy school? All I could get were loans classified as "undergraduate".

What? I did 4 years as a pre-med, graduated with a bachelors in biology. Then I got my masters in pharmacology, then applied for pharmacy school. to me that should be 4 years of undergrad, and 5 years of graduate.

medical school is considered professional school isn't it? yet it is not an undergraduate degree, is it? all of my loans are grad loans, by the way. i find it completely ******ed then, that i am paying the graduate student interest rate if I am in fact, still an "undergrad".

 

[Soonersyko]

If it's an undergraduate program, then why do some pharmacy schools make you get an undergraduate degree before you can start?

That's irrelevant. The claim was that pharmacy is a graduate program which it is not. It is a professional degree and is not considered to be graduate by law schools or states that give out loans. If the school requires your undergraduate GPA then you will submit your pre-pharm and pharmacy grades. As long as there are schools that allow you to do the requirements, apply, and get in route then it's not considered a graduate program.

 

[owlegrad]

That's irrelevant. The claim was that pharmacy is a graduate program which it is not. It is a professional degree and is not considered to be graduate by law schools or states that give out loans. If the school requires your undergraduate GPA then you will submit your pre-pharm and pharmacy grades. As long as there are schools that allow you to do the requirements, apply, and get in route then it's not considered a graduate program.

Well if law schools don't think of us as graduate students...🙄

 

[bacillus1]

Also, how come I never qualified for a graduate loan when I was in pharmacy school? All I could get were loans classified as "undergraduate".

I believe this depends on the school. I know I will be getting graduate loans my P4 year. Others start P2 or even P1. I am quite happy with the undergrad loan status because that means I get slightly more state grants.

Pharmacy isn't a graduate degree. Nor is it an undergraduate degree. It is a professional degree (similar to DPT, OD and JD). Graduate degrees require doing research, theses, etc...I know in some countries only a PhD is considered a "doctor".

 

[Soonersyko]

Hilarious. The academic world is where doctors are made. It is the academic world who classifies us as graduate. The argument that we are not graduate students because "the rest of the world" doesn't think so is...hilarious? How on earth do you think that Doctor of Pharmacy is an undergraduate program? You must be baiting us, right

Because every other program in the country views a Doctor of Pharmacy as an undergraduate program. Look at law schools for example, how are they supposed to calculate your undergrad GPA if you went the 2-4 route? They can't do that, they have to calculate your GPA from an undergraduate program. Why would law schools, med schools, and nursing schools have different definitions of undergrad and grad?

Baiting you? Exactly what am I supposed to get from you by saying this? Your Social Security number?

What? I did 4 years as a pre-med, graduated with a bachelors in biology. Then I got my masters in pharmacology, then applied for pharmacy school.

medical school is considered professional school isn't it? yet it is not an undergraduate degree, is it? all of my loans are grad loans, by the way. i find it completely ******ed then, that i am paying the graduate student interest rate if I am in fact, still an "undergrad".

Med school is a graduate program because it requires an undergraduate degree in order to enter. Pharmacy school is a first-professional program because the requirement for a Bachelor's degree is not universal. It's a professional program and is not a graduate program.

 

[Cloud 9]

Med school is a graduate program because it requires an undergraduate degree in order to enter. Pharmacy school is a first-professional program because the requirement for a Bachelor's degree is not universal. It's a professional program and is not a graduate program.

See this is where your argument is flawed, because, although rare, there are some medical schools (and dental) that will accept you with 90 credit hours done.

 

[desklamp]

Because every other program in the country views a Doctor of Pharmacy as an undergraduate program. Look at law schools for example, how are they supposed to calculate your undergrad GPA if you went the 2-4 route? They can't do that, they have to calculate your GPA from an undergraduate program. Why would law schools, med schools, and nursing schools have different definitions of undergrad and grad?

Baiting you? Exactly what am I supposed to get from you by saying this? Your Social Security number?



Med school is a graduate program because it requires an undergraduate degree in order to enter. Pharmacy school is a first-professional program because the requirement for a Bachelor's degree is not universal. It's a professional program and is not a graduate program.

So what about pharmacy schools that REQUIRE bachelors degrees for acceptance (there are some)? Are those then graduate degrees?

And on a somewhat unrelated note, do any of you know of ranked/state pharmacy schools that do not do this combined bachelors/professional GPA? What about University of Maryland or UIC?

 

[owlegrad]

Because every other program in the country views a Doctor of Pharmacy as an undergraduate program. Look at law schools for example, how are they supposed to calculate your undergrad GPA if you went the 2-4 route? They can't do that, they have to calculate your GPA from an undergraduate program. Why would law schools, med schools, and nursing schools have different definitions of undergrad and grad?

Baiting you? Exactly what am I supposed to get from you by saying this? Your Social Security number?



Med school is a graduate program because it requires an undergraduate degree in order to enter. Pharmacy school is a first-professional program because the requirement for a Bachelor's degree is not universal. It's a professional program and is not a graduate program.

Source, please. You are making that up. It just is not true.

That's not what I meant, but it is pretty funny. I just meant you are having fun teasing people, that's all.

Also false.

You are correct that pharmacy is professional school, not unlike medical or dental school. We are not undergrad, and no one considers us as such. We are no more or less graduate school than any other professional program.

This entire conversation is stupid though. I'm out.

 

[ucrx]

Also, how come I never qualified for a graduate loan when I was in pharmacy school? All I could get were loans classified as "undergraduate".

Pharmacy school is professional school. It doesn't really fit undergraduate or graduate. By your logic with loans, I went to grad school.

I believe this depends on the school. I know I will be getting graduate loans my P4 year. Others start P2 or even P1. I am quite happy with the undergrad loan status because that means I get slightly more state grants.

Pharmacy isn't a graduate degree. Nor is it an undergraduate degree. It is a professional degree (similar to DPT, OD and JD). Graduate degrees require doing research, theses, etc...I know in some countries only a PhD is considered a "doctor".

This is what I was taught regarding professional schools.

Because every other program in the country views a Doctor of Pharmacy as an undergraduate program. Look at law schools for example, how are they supposed to calculate your undergrad GPA if you went the 2-4 route? They can't do that, they have to calculate your GPA from an undergraduate program. Why would law schools, med schools, and nursing schools have different definitions of undergrad and grad?

I think most schools don't view the Pharm.D. as an undergraduate program. What schools view it as completely undergrad?

I went to a 2+4 program. My school treated the pre-pharmacy and first two professional years as undergraduate (no matter how long you were pre-pharmacy) and the last two years as graduate. My transcripts reflect this. I have an undergraduate GPA for my first four years and a graduate GPA for my last two.

 

[SHC1984]

Med school is a graduate program because it requires an undergraduate degree in order to enter. Pharmacy school is a first-professional program because the requirement for a Bachelor's degree is not universal. It's a professional program and is not a graduate program.

LOL...$50 says this idiot is just some random angry pre-med troll. I don't know why some med students keep on saying that pharmacy school is an undergraduate program and that pharmacists are not doctors. They also insist that MDs are the only real doctors and that medical schools require bachelor degrees. Most medical schools DO NOT require bachelor degree however most med students have bachelor degrees because medical school is very competitive to get into.

Med school is more competitive to get into than pharmacy school, that is the ONLY difference between them. They are both professional degrees and they both are doctorate programs.

Now please go away pre-med troll. 🙄

 

[desklamp]

Ok regarding residencies:

how much weight do they put on your undergrad GPA then? my friend said medical residencies ask for undergrad transcripts but really put no weight on them.

additionally, how is it fair to compare the following 2 GPAs when determining honors, Rho Chi eligibility, or scholarship qualifications?

1) 4 year science degree at Harvard, Yale, Stanford etc. + 4.0 3 year Pharm GPA (not including rotations) = 3.2
2) 2 year community college + 3.5 3 year Pharm GPA = 3.5

I just don't understand how any policy that combines undergraduate and professional school GPA can make any sense, regardless of how you classify the pharm degree, unless you were doing a 0-6 program, or transferred in from the same school? Even transfers between undergrad schools usually do not count the prior GPA. Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?

 

[spacecowgirl]

I was curious so I went to access my transcripts from pharm school. I tried to access "graduate school" transcripts. It said I had none. I checked "undergraduate" and it was all there from the 3 different places (2 different state schools and 1 private college) in 2 states where I took classes.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

I was curious so I went to access my transcripts from pharm school. I tried to access "graduate school" transcripts. It said I had none. I checked "undergraduate" and it was all there from the 3 different places (2 different state schools and 1 private college) in 2 states where I took classes.

Where are you accessing these transcripts? I've attended four different colleges (3 state schools in the SAME state and one private school) and I don't have any kind of combined transcript. To get my complete academic records, I'd need four transcripts. None of my transcripts list coursework completed at another institution.

 

[spacecowgirl]

Where are you accessing these transcripts? I've attended four different colleges (3 state schools in the SAME state and one private school) and I don't have any kind of combined transcript. To get my complete academic records, I'd need four transcripts. None of my transcripts list coursework completed at another institution.

My alma mater has an online info system and one of the functions is to view the grades by semester, degree, all coursework, etc.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

My alma mater has an online info system and one of the functions is to view the grades by semester, degree, all coursework, etc.

Mine does too. My current school has this as well. I still don't see any coursework from other schools when I look at any given school's info.

 

[Soonersyko]

LOL...$50 says this idiot is just some random angry pre-med troll. I don't know why some med students keep on saying that pharmacy school is an undergraduate program and that pharmacists are not doctors. They also insist that MDs are the only real doctors and that medical schools require bachelor degrees. Most medical schools DO NOT require bachelor degree however most med students have bachelor degrees because medical school is very competitive to get into.

Med school is more competitive to get into than pharmacy school, that is the ONLY difference between them. They are both professional degrees and they both are doctorate programs.

Now please go away pre-med troll. 🙄

Cyc was right, you really are too immature to be in pharmacy school. I like it how you think I'm a troll because you disagree with me. It's cute because you're delusional. You will be a pharmacist, you will NOT be a doctor. I have my Pharm.D kid and I know I'm not a doctor. I do not and you do not have the skills to diagnose a disease. You just don't.

Medical school is a graduate program, pharmacy school is not! Go do your research like I have done. Go email your universities law school and ask them if they will count your pharmacy grades into your GPA when applying. They will tell you YES because they DO NOT count graduate school grades. While it may not be directly undergrad, it is not graduate by any means. It's not doctorate either. A Pharm.D is not on the same level as a Ph.D.

When you grow up and decide to not call people names as a means of dismissing them, let me know. You are being a child and I can only hope you don't have this kind of attitude in pharmacy school or anywhere else you work. That's really sad.

 

[Quiksilver]

Cyc was right, you really are too immature to be in pharmacy school. I like it how you think I'm a troll because you disagree with me. It's cute because you're delusional. You will be a pharmacist, you will NOT be a doctor. I have my Pharm.D kid and I know I'm not a doctor. I do not and you do not have the skills to diagnose a disease. You just don't.

Medical school is a graduate program, pharmacy school is not! Go do your research like I have done. Go email your universities law school and ask them if they will count your pharmacy grades into your GPA when applying. They will tell you YES because they DO NOT count graduate school grades. While it may not be directly undergrad, it is not graduate by any means. It's not doctorate either. A Pharm.D is not on the same level as a Ph.D.

When you grow up and decide to not call people names as a means of dismissing them, let me know. You are being a child and I can only hope you don't have this kind of attitude in pharmacy school or anywhere else you work. That's really sad.

It really doesn't matter to me what you think pharmacy is graduate school or not because in reality, if it isn't it certainly is moving to be. Many schools are phasing out early assurance and making it more difficult to get in without a bachelor's degree. Secondly, who cares what a law school thinks about pharmacy school? I think lawyers are a bunch of blood sucking crooks but my opinion doesn't matter so why should theirs matter?

Just my two cents.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

I've attended two different pharmacy schools and been classified as a graduate student at both. I have graduate school loans. I am not eligible for undergraduate scholarships and grants (like Pell grants). I think it varies by school whether you're classified as a grad or undergrad student.

As far as the OTHER direction this thread has taken...

Pharmacists who hold a PharmD are doctors. Anyone who earns a doctorate in ANY field is a "doctor." That includes PHD, PharmD, MD, DO, OD, DC, AudD, DPT, OTD, DPM, DVM, DM, DBA, JD, EdD, DDS, DMD, etc.

I think someone is using "doctor" interchangeably with "physician." Of course pharmacists are not physicians, but neither are most of the people who have doctorates. Whether or not someone has diagnosis skills is irrelevant to whether they are called a "doctor." It's the degree! The doctorate...

 

[GJLaw]

Well, I know for sure that Ohio State and USC both require a bachelor's degree for admission into their pharmacy programs.

 

[R2pharmD2]

I have my Pharm.D kid and I know I'm not a doctor.

You would think someone who holds a doctorate would know the difference between a doctor and a physician.

 

[spacecowgirl]

1) 4 year science degree at Harvard, Yale, Stanford etc. + 4.0 3 year Pharm GPA (not including rotations) = 3.2
2) 2 year community college + 3.5 3 year Pharm GPA = 3.5

As has been mentioned, grades are only one part of the picture. of course a person with a bachelor's from a top school with a lower GPA is not going to be undercut by someone with a better GPA from a CC. Give the residency committees some credit. You're getting too mired down by this, really! Keep your cumulative GPA at least above a 3.0 and let the rest of your application speak for itself.

A4MD - I did see that while all my grades are on one transcript, it does show my GPA from non-pharm school classes, GPA from only pharm school and a cumulative GPA. My pharm school GPA was what was used to calculate latin honors at graduation, I do know that because I missed magna by 0.03 points. If cumulative had been used (not saying it should or shouldn't) I would have easily made the cut off. I put the blame squarely on the one final I utterly bombed when I should have had an A in the class. Dammit.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

You would think someone who holds a doctorate would know the difference between a doctor and a physician.

Right, the argument that "no diagnosis skills" = "not a doctor" is weak. Does that mean someone who CAN diagnose is automatically "a doctor?" No... PAs are not doctors...NPs with masters degrees aren't doctors...

 

[Soonersyko]

Right, the argument that "no diagnosis skills" = "not a doctor" is weak. Does that mean someone who CAN diagnose is automatically "a doctor?" No... PAs are not doctors...NPs with masters degrees aren't doctors...

Look, this conversation will go downhill if we're gonna argue about a word being used in many different contexts. MDs are trained to do what they do and you are kidding yourself if you think a Pharm.D is qualified to do what an MD can do. You do not have the skills that an MD has and you will not have those skills unless you get the training. I would not trust you, myself, or anyone else that calls themselves a pharmacy student or pharmacist here to do what a MD is certified to do.

 

[rxlea]

Soonersyko, nobody is trying to say that.

 

[psychoandy]

i have a BS, and the feds gave me graduate stafford loans, thus considering me a graduate student. now i'm gonna apply to starbucks to fully live the dream of being a poor ass grad student.

for the OP: don't worry about your grades. i would assume any non-dumb residency program will actually look at your professional transcript.

 

[spacecowgirl]

Am I drunk? I cannot follow this conversation.

 

[rxlea]

Am I drunk? I cannot follow this conversation.

Don't worry. It's pointless anyway- completely derailed 😉