very very bad gpa and no hope left

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My GPA is a 2.68 and I have just finished three years of college. I think that says enough but I'll elaborate since they give me so much space to write.

Did I have a horrific accident that set me back and made me unable to do my work? No, but, in the most normal sense, I wish (at least it would be justified).

Did I succumb to a disease that kept me out of school? No. Did my family have such an emergency that required me to drop out of school and support them? Thankfully no.

My GPA is due to my own laziness and sheer lack of motivation. I have no one to blame but myself and my own inaction.

Please bear with me as I think it is important to know where I am coming from:

I had problems when I was growing up, I was the "loser" kid in high school, and often was shunned and made fun of, thrown in a locker etc, this is relevant because it made me get bad grades since I was on the verge of killing myself - depression to an extreme. I luckily did well enough to graduate and was even luckier to have gotten into only 1 out of the 15 colleges I applied too.

My parents said I was a failure, my relatives said I was a failure, some of my friends said I was a failure, I came into college thinking that I was a failure. I had no motivation to work because I hated myself for screwing up, I had hated myself for not getting into my dream college that other people I know did so easily. I distracted myself by becoming more social, making friends for the first time, and partying. I wanted to be a doctor, but had no idea why, and thus had no motivation to do anything about it.

After three years of failing I decided it was time to leave. I will be going to a new university in the fall to delay my graduation by a year in an effort to boost my GPA. My GPA at my old school was in a downward trend, and while it was a definite improvement for me since high school, I was still depressed and unhappy. I went to therapy and counseling, tried SSRIs, even did other things, but there was still no change. Im not sure if a change in environment will help, but its worth a shot.

Since then I have shadowed doctors in other countries and had an epiphany. I knew why I wanted to be a doctor. My entire life so far can be characterized as a seemingly inept kid being thrown around like he is worth nothing. Often days where my depression was so bad I wouldn't bathe, shave, or talk to people for days. But as a doctor I can give the one thing to people that I never had growing up - hope. That thought just resonates with me, and makes me feel GOOD, which is a rare feeling for me.

However I don't control who can and cannot be a doctor. That is in the divine hands of AAMCAS and its several deities taking in the forms of admissions officers.

How does a mere mortal like myself appease these seemingly divine beings?

My GPA is crap, I haven't taken the MCAT yet, I have research + shadowing experience, but at this point its pretty obvious that my GPA will be the devil in my application (Im not religious btw, just making clever divine parodies).

Is this or is this not insurmountable? Thanks

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Be smart, wise up, don't be so self-deprecating or overdramatic, and consider your next options. Following posters can give better advice about post-grad programs and stuff. Just know that if you really want something (let's say, being a physician), nobody's stopping you but you. You'll find a way.

Stay hopeful, my friend! It'll be hard, but you got this. A low GPA is a low GPA... way worse things can happen in life. You can fix this.
 
your best bet is to retake classes and apply DO. you have experiences that can be spun to help you you, however if you maintain the poor pitiful me attitude, it will get you nowhere. reading that makes me think you are trying to gain sympathy for a bad situation and adcoms will see through that. the point is you REALLY need to word it right. you have a long road ahead of you. i would say a minimum of 3 years depending on what your classes are in and if you have a Lots of As and a few Ds versus all B-. Make sense?
 
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My parents said I was a failure, my relatives said I was a failure, some of my friends said I was a failure, I came into college thinking that I was a failure. I had no motivation to work because I hated myself for screwing up, I had hated myself for not getting into my dream college that other people I know did so easily. I distracted myself by becoming more social, making friends for the first time, and partying. I wanted to be a doctor, but had no idea why, and thus had no motivation to do anything about it.
Nothing motivated me more than repeatedly hearing that I would "never amount to anything." Dig deep and prove them all wrong. Believe me, it feels great.

See my signature below \/
 
I would suggest you contact WUbear for advice

He graduated I believe with a 2.6 GPA, and is very optimistic about his early decision application at a New Jersey school.
 
I would suggest you contact WUbear for advice

He graduated I believe with a 2.6 GPA, and is very optimistic about his early decision application at a New Jersey school.

he also had a second bachelors in which he did very well on
 
i hope you lay off the drama queen BS when you write your PS. Overcoming life's challenges looks good on a personal statement. Letting life kick you around and then whining about it does not. you can still get into medical school, but you need to first identify your problems. and your problem isnt what other people have said or done. your problem is how you handle situations. life isnt going to get easier, the pressure will be higher in med school, and after that peoples lives will depend on you. geting good grades isnt enough, you need to be able to deal with things without getting depressed or suicidal. get that figured out then get your grades up. apply DO. look into SMPs.
 
I like to tell people in your situation to push your degree to 6 years and if you get 4.0 in your next 4 years, you can have a decent 3.5 GPA, even a 3.6 if you consistently take classes during summer.

The issue is, it is rare that someone can turn around a 2.6 into a 4.0 in the blink of an eye. So you really need to ask yourself - is it possible for your to do such a drastic turnaround.
 
i hope you lay off the drama queen BS when you write your PS...
Don't be so insensitive. The OP is not speaking this way because he or she is a drama queen. The OP has true depression which taints even his writing. The sad part is that people like you will make him/her continue in the cycle thinking "yeah, I'm a loser."

OP - I've overcome similar problems to you. If you want to be a doctor, you will be one. You need to work hard to turn things around. D.O. school would be your best bet.
 
Similar situation, had a .8ish something first two years. Sorted out my problems, did a butt load of grade replacing and I have a 3.3 right now with a year and a half left, good luck!
 
i dont mean to be cliche or sappy, but you aren't defined by your past, by others, or by your external surroundings - you are YOU, when all the noise is turned off, in the stillness, you are composed of your hopes and dreams, and inner faiths and convictions. you can choose to believe in the lies others have spoken over you (that youre a failure), or you can choose to believe that you CAN be successful. success starts within, through your attitudes, then manifests without. if you have courage, you will not fear unsuccess, or the voices of others, because your strength is already within you. drugs dont work if the problem is attitude; take some time to work on the real problem, which is your attitude, take some time to heal/find yourself... the lessons you learn will be far more valuable than any career. it's been done before. Jlo, Abraham Lincoln, and a lot of successful ppl went thru depression, but only u have the power to overcome it. i did, so can you. prayer helps for me. books help. journaling helps. reading helps. talking to people helps. it takes time, but focus on the first problem first. if you can win the inner battle, everything else in your life be much, much much easier, but it's hard to accomplish much when you (the source of effort) get in your own way.

Also, I like this:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEMEBBwO6J8[/YOUTUBE]
who knew Will Smith had so much wisdom?
 
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Get all you shiit straight before you start any class. All this emotional stuff is going to slow you down and mess up your GPA. Take a gap year and really focus on developing yourself. See what you really are and make sure of it. First step is change, even if you manage to get good grades, you still need to get the "loser" off you. Remember it's college nobody gives a rats ass who you are until you graduated from the program you came from. So show them who you really are. If you are a self-claimed loser, chances are you don't have leadership qualities yet, or good communication skills. Build up on that. You said you had extreme depression. Two words. WORK OUT. It's a great stress reliever and makes you feel good about yourself, it gives confidence.
So what you need to do is prioritize.
Forget the GPA, MCAT, and all the for right now. If you continue the way you are going, worried about GPA, MCAT and all that, you aren't gonna make progress. Take the gap year, do some volunteering, get out and work out, shadow some more doctors. Once you have the self confidence and esteem back, you can go back to school, retake all those classes and focus on your MCAT.
Goodluck and don't give up.
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OP, I had the EXACT SAME cGPA (2.68) after completing my BA. That's 120 units. Luckily for me I only completed 1st semester of Biology and 1st of Physics which I got a B and a D in. So I went back and repeated physics and turned that D into an A and completed the rest of the prerequisites with straight A's including a semester of Biochem. Now my cGPA is 3.01 and my sGPA is 3.85, I'm also planning on repeating 2 math courses I received D's in and if I could turn those into A's then my cGPA will be close to 3.2. The point is, after a lot of hard work and dedication you can turn it around. You still have time, you're in better position than I was in before I decided to go back and start taking course again, and I'm pretty happy about where I'm at now. YOU CAN DO IT, i'm proof 🙂. Also, there are other parts to the app that are just important such as EC's and MCAT scores that can compensate for a low GPA. So don't give up!

Sorry forgot to mention that these GPA's are based on DO school's grade replacement policy.
 
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The GPA is certainly terrible, and you've probably nailed your coffin on getting an MD.

My advice: try to raise your GPA as much as you can, then do a postbac. Retake the classes in which you got abysmal grades, as DO schools will replace them. There will be a big disparity between your MD and DO GPA. Your options are limited, but you still can become a doctor if you work really hard from now on.

And don't think of yourself as a loser. That will terribly hurt your self-esteem, and this comes from someone who recently lost a friend to suicide.
 
Ya man, get ambitious and create a positive trend! You had a revelation overseas right? Make that your motivation, I think the part in your post about your revelation would be good in a personal statement someday, it explains your past, overcoming an obstacle and hopefully would lead into a paragraph about why you finished up your education with a stellar GPA. Seriously powerful stuff if you're serious about it. You're like the medschool "RUDY" ahd who doesn't love Rudy, it's like the coolest movie ever. And he beat all odds to play football where he dreamed. Although it is probably the most cliche thing I've ever said, I think it is relevant to your situation.
 
Well thanks guys, it's good to know that there is support out there. I just want more input as to what needs to be done.

Most of the advice is given for DO schools which I will of course consider as it would be foolish not too. However I am curious what I can do at this point to get into an us MD school since there are applicants with bad gpas that do get into US MD schools. I had dreams of Columbia and Stanford but at this point they will only be dreams. I'm just aiming for an acceptance at this point since I don't even have the luxury of hoping. So what needs to be done?
 
Hey man I am in similar boat..3.0 gpa 2.7 science...I had a very bad family tragedy during college that killed my gpa..but it seems schools don't really care that much so far. So the best thing you can do is take like 10-15 courses..get A's in all of them..kill the MCAT. You can still get MD, look at your state schools, apply broad, look for schools that take a more holistic approach to the application. I am applying to 25 schools this cycle so hopefully my shrapnel hits someone!
 
Well going to the D.O. route would require far less time. All you would need to do s maybe a year of grade replacement and you should be okay assuming rest of your app is strong. If you for some reason have to be an M.D., a year of retakes would be adviseable with an SMP. An SMP is a special master program, you take classes with first year med students, for an example program type in UNT smp in google. If you do poor in this you are pretty much screwed.

By the way, md=do.
 
Well thanks guys, it's good to know that there is support out there. I just want more input as to what needs to be done.

Most of the advice is given for DO schools which I will of course consider as it would be foolish not too. However I am curious what I can do at this point to get into an us MD school since there are applicants with bad gpas that do get into US MD schools. I had dreams of Columbia and Stanford but at this point they will only be dreams. I'm just aiming for an acceptance at this point since I don't even have the luxury of hoping. So what needs to be done?
The only way you'll realistically get an MD in this country is if you manage to get into an SMP with good linkage to its medical school (like EVMS or Cincinnati). But even that will take several years of GPA repair.

Just go for the DO, study 6 hrs/day in your final year of college (that's a lot but you need perfect grades from now on), retake any Fs, Ds, and maybe some Cs, and see where you stand. DO schools (except for TCOM) replace bad grades when you retake courses.
 
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The only way you'll realistically get an MD in this country is if you manage to get into an SMP with good linkage to its medical school (like EVMS or Cincinnati). But even that will take several years of GPA repair.

Just go for the DO, study 6 hrs/day in your final year of college (that's a lot but you need perfect grades from now on), retake any Fs, Ds, and maybe some Cs, and see where you stand. DO schools (except for TCOM) replace bad grades when you retake courses.

I'll apply for both, no harm in trying and hoping to hitch your wagon to the highest star, worst case scenario I just end up a little closer to it.

Now for some hypotheticals:

If I show a very strong turnaround grade wise and can be consistent for two years and end up with around a 3.3 gpa and a strong MCAT, would that get me looked at by some MD schools? Or is that not gonna happen even then?

If I have some unique ecs (I'm planning some projects abroad, traveling, working in foreign clinics, etc) would that not help to get me looked at or do I need to cure cancer?
 
I'll apply for both, no harm in trying and hoping to hitch your wagon to the highest star, worst case scenario I just end up a little closer to it.
If you want to apply to those programs, then wait at least until the following year. Even SMPs and postbacs generally want 3.0+ GPAs, which you won't have this coming year. Your most important goal for now is to get straight As in your final year of college. Then your GPA will be around 3.0 (maybe higher for DO if you retake bad grades). And get an MCAT of 35+ if you want those SMPs to seriously consider you. If you're going for a DO, then maybe you can get away with a more moderate score, depending on how you do it.

If I show a very strong turnaround grade wise and can be consistent for two years and end up with around a 3.3 gpa and a strong MCAT, would that get me looked at by some MD schools? Or is that not gonna happen even then?
I won't have the best answer to this question. You should PM DrMidlife, because DrMidlife gives some very thorough advice to those with low GPAs.

You should also read this seminal post, but I will warn you that it is harsh. It is geared towards people who have finished undergrad with an awful GPA, but most of the advice will apply to you.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=11083370&postcount=3
 
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Your GPA will keep you out of med school. Unfortunately it follows you around your whole life. You have to prove you can succeed academically. What I would do is get a master's degree and maintain a high GPA. That, plus a high MCAT score would work in your favor.

You can do a lot of things to fulfill your motivation besides becoming a doctor. Some of them require no money, training, or education... and you can start today. Volunteer at a homeless shelter or something. Help other "loser" kids by giving them the support and encouragement you wished someone had given you.

One thing I do is help teens and adults get their GED (high school equivalency). Some of these kids have it way worse than you did. You were thrown into a locker and teased. They have been beaten or even molested, and grown up in poverty. They never had anyone to tell them they can be good at anything. You can be the first person to do that. It's awesome. They will remember you forever.

However I don't control who can and cannot be a doctor.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... you are the one in control.
 
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Your GPA will keep you out of med school. Unfortunately it follows you around your whole life. You have to prove you can succeed academically. What I would do is get a master's degree and maintain a high GPA. That, plus a high MCAT score would work in your favor.

You can do a lot of things to fulfill your motivation besides becoming a doctor. Some of them require no money, training, or education... and you can start today. Volunteer at a homeless shelter or something. Help other "loser" kids by giving them the support and encouragement you wished someone had given you. One thing I do is help teens and adults get their GED (high school equivalency). Some of these kids have never had anyone tell them they can be good at anything. You can be the first person to do that. It's awesome. They will remember you forever.



WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... you are the one in control.

False - masters degree count for very little in admission process, due to grade inflation.
 
False - masters degree count for very little in admission process, due to grade inflation.

Earning a master's degree with a 3.5+ GPA wouldn't help this guy out of the hole he's in? Can you elaborate why not? What should he do instead to prove he can succeed academically? Another bachelor's?
 
Earning a master's degree with a 3.5+ GPA wouldn't help this guy out of the hole he's in? Can you elaborate why not? What should he do instead to prove he can succeed academically? Another bachelor's?
Basically in grad school you get an A if you pass and B if you barely pass. C is only if you piss off the teacher.
 
If you want to apply to those programs, then wait at least until the following year. Even SMPs and postbacs generally want 3.0+ GPAs, which you won't have this coming year. Your most important goal for now is to get straight As in your final year of college. Then your GPA will be around 3.0 (maybe higher for DO if you retake bad grades). And get an MCAT of 35+ if you want those SMPs to seriously consider you. If you're going for a DO, then maybe you can get away with a more moderate score, depending on how you do it.

I won't have the best answer to this question. You should PM DrMidlife, because DrMidlife gives some very thorough advice to those with low GPAs.

You should also read this seminal post, but I will warn you that it is harsh. It is geared towards people who have finished undergrad with an awful GPA, but most of the advice will apply to you.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=11083370&postcount=3

I actually have two years of school left.

@ artsciencelove: I think it's because graduate school grades are very inflated and aren't factored into the undergrad gpa, but you do pose a good question, what else can I do academically besides trying my best to ace the next two years of school?
 
I actually have two years of school left.
Well then if you ace the next two years you will have a 3.2. But you haven't said anything about your science GPA or how much that can improve, so your ability to do an SMP/postbac after undergrad will also depend on that.
 
Basically in grad school you get an A if you pass and B if you barely pass. C is only if you piss off the teacher.

Do you have a masters? Or is more I heard it on SDN so it must be true BS? I do have one and I can't speak for all schools but trust me I worked for mine.

Ultimately it doesn't impact medical school but your understanding of graduate school is flawed.
 
Do you have a masters? Or is more I heard it on SDN so it must be true BS? I do have one and I can't speak for all schools but trust me I worked for mine.

Ultimately it doesn't impact medical school but your understanding of graduate school is flawed.
No, I don't have a masters degree. Neither is this something I heard at SDN. My previous boss and a few friends that have masters have told me this. My boss went to CSU and my friends UC/Private/CSU.

My understanding of graduate school isn't necessarily flawed. Maybe your school is the exception. Also, I'm not saying you have to do no work. I'm saying that the grading scale is inflated.
 
Basically in grad school you get an A if you pass and B if you barely pass. C is only if you piss off the teacher.

The cats right here, I do under grad research with grad students. Very hard not to get an A, pretty much do have to piss of teacher.
 
I actually have two years of school left.

@ artsciencelove: I think it's because graduate school grades are very inflated and aren't factored into the undergrad gpa, but you do pose a good question, what else can I do academically besides trying my best to ace the next two years of school?


You don't have to "confine" yourself to 2 years - after you finish your degree you can keep on taking classes part/full time as a continuing student or even second degree seeking student with no actual plan on graduating.
 
Basically in grad school you get an A if you pass and B if you barely pass. C is only if you piss off the teacher.

I looked into a master's program designed for working people to boost their careers, and I found it to be quite difficult, in fact too hard to manage while working fulltime and maintaining a relationship and social life. It certainly would have been possible to earn a C, or even an F, simply by not doing the work, or doing it poorly. This was an engineering degree I was thinking of pursuing, though.
 
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