hi guys. i am about to start my general surgery residency and i was wondering about recording some surgical procedures so that i can study them later. if the patient and the surgeon have no problem, is it a good idea?
Video recording of procedures
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Are you training in the US? I ask because it's already the end of August and most people start late June/July 1st.
You'll find the hospital's policies/HIPAA will prevent you from recording most cases as a trainee, unless the attending is on-board. Even then...who's going to be recording for you? The medical student? An observer? Or did you mean cases in which you weren't scrubbed?
You'll find the hospital's policies/HIPAA will prevent you from recording most cases as a trainee, unless the attending is on-board. Even then...who's going to be recording for you? The medical student? An observer? Or did you mean cases in which you weren't scrubbed?
no, in greece.
in cases that i am not involved and i will only be there just for the purpose of watching and recording or by letting someone else do the recording.
my main concern is if this would help or will the books plus my time in the surgery room be enough?
to be honest, i doubt you will benefit anything with watching surgery video afterwards, just focus on learning as much you can while you are there. Review the procedures in a book like Schwartz.
You can ask for permission, i doubt you will be given as a student, as far as i know in europe you need consent from the patient to gather images and they must hide the face always, just because you hide the face it doesnt mean you dont have to have consent. I doubt they will go out of their way just to get a consent for you.
But the place to ask is no here for sure.
You can ask for permission, i doubt you will be given as a student, as far as i know in europe you need consent from the patient to gather images and they must hide the face always, just because you hide the face it doesnt mean you dont have to have consent. I doubt they will go out of their way just to get a consent for you.
But the place to ask is no here for sure.
thank you guys. the patients and the surgeon performing the procedure would very likely be ok with the recording here, but my main question was if there is something to benefit from it. from your responses i see that you can be fine without it. so thank you again for your fast replies. problem solved 🙂
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Recording isn't as big a deal as you think. Our standard consents here all say that video and photographic recordings may be made for educational and research purposes. You must shield the face (I think a special consent is required for facial surgeries,etc.), and the patient must not be easily identifiable. The recording must be kept as part of the official medical record, and it must be kept secured. Recording it on your iphone--not cool. Using the OR light camera and putting it on a DVD kept in a locked file cabinet--ok.
We take pictures all the time especially during laparascopic/endoscopic procedures. Very useful to show patients their pathology and for the medical record.
Videorecording is only worth it for truly unique procedures or diagnoses. It's not worth the hassle to record a run of the mill case. If you want to study from a video, just youtube the procedure. There are free recordings available for thousands of different procedures.
We take pictures all the time especially during laparascopic/endoscopic procedures. Very useful to show patients their pathology and for the medical record.
Videorecording is only worth it for truly unique procedures or diagnoses. It's not worth the hassle to record a run of the mill case. If you want to study from a video, just youtube the procedure. There are free recordings available for thousands of different procedures.
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Not worth the time for you to specifically record cases you are watching yourself in this day/age of already prepared videos of major cases. You can find lots on relevant websites like American College of Surgeons (or the Greece equivalent perhaps) or SAGES. These are probably more professionally made and have better editing to make any learning from them easier and more user friendly.
That being said, your education is not going to be that affected should you not use video ancillary aids. Probably a better use of your time is to read a surgical atlas before a procedure (Chaisson's or Zollinger) to get a feel for the steps involved, scrub in the case with this information and then sometime post-op, revisit the atlas to see the images in the context of the case you just did. This seems to have worked for hundreds of surgical residents before the wide-spread use of digitalizing cases and I'm sure will suit your needs as well.
That being said, your education is not going to be that affected should you not use video ancillary aids. Probably a better use of your time is to read a surgical atlas before a procedure (Chaisson's or Zollinger) to get a feel for the steps involved, scrub in the case with this information and then sometime post-op, revisit the atlas to see the images in the context of the case you just did. This seems to have worked for hundreds of surgical residents before the wide-spread use of digitalizing cases and I'm sure will suit your needs as well.
