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saltedcaramel20

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Hey guys, this is actually my first post on here!

I was wondering what you guys thought of my list and how I should change it?

  1. cGPA 3.99, sGPA 3.99
  2. 513 -- C/P:129, CARS:131, B/B:126, P/S:127
  3. AL
  4. African/Other
  5. Top 20 Private
  6. Clincal Experience ~800 hours
    1. Clinical research with poster presentation (LOR)
    2. Clinical internship (strong LOR)
    3. Clinical volunteering in free clinic for underserved communities (LOR)
  7. Leadership is good
    1. Founded my own unique club
    2. President/VP for a few orgs
    3. Residence Life (600+ hours) (LOR)
  8. Volunteering at Food Pantry for refugees
  9. Tutoring
This is a preliminary list and would like to cut down maybe 10 or so schools from here. Am i applying too top-heavy? Am I missing any schools that focus on community service

Duke
Boston
Emory
Harvard
Georgetown
Columbia
Vandy
Tufts
Northwestern
NYU
Morehouse
UAB
U of South Alabama
UMiami
UMichigan
Ohio State
Western Michigan
St. Louis
USC
Wake Forest
GWU
Penn State
Drexel
Tulane
Rosalind Franklin
Baylor
Stanford
Case Western
UPenn
Yale
UChicago
Cornell
Rush
UNC
JHU
Temple
 
Good chance at any school in the country

Remove

St. Louis
GWU
Penn state
Drexel
Tulane
Rosalind
Temple

Can replace with higher tier schools if you would like
 
You can remove Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Rosalind Franklin, Wake Forest since they may "yie;d protect" with your stats.
You could add any of these schools:
Washington University (in St. Louis)
Dartmouth
Brown
Hofstra
Einstein
Mount Sinai
Jefferson
 
Sorry I was unclear, I meant cutting 10 schools off the list to yield around 25-30.

I do research at my undergrad's SOM, where I would love to matriculate. In general, I would prefer to be in a larger city. May I PM you for more details?
 
Cut down the list to 25. A 10-school list is too small.

Any networking with schools near you? I don't have a strong sense of what you are looking for in your medical school.
Help me understand why networking with prospective schools is important. I know several people who were accepted to medical schools in the last couple years and none of them "networked" with the schools.
 
Help me understand why networking with prospective schools is important. I know several people who were accepted to medical schools in the last couple years and none of them "networked" with the schools.

It shows you are interested in the school.

It gives us a chance to attach a name to a face rather than just a number.

We want to find self-motivated students and not passive ones.

You don't have to network to get accepted but there are many students who wish they had. Including many who drop out. Especially those who don't have family members in health care.
 
Help me understand why networking with prospective schools is important. I know several people who were accepted to medical schools in the last couple years and none of them "networked" with the schools.
Also, what is the extent of networking supposed to look like?
1. I know people at a couple of these schools (especially at my school) but that's about it.
2. I know the Dean of my college pretty well.
3. My strongest LOR (neuro professor) is an MD alum from one of the top schools and defo knows some people that can help.
 
It shows you are interested in the school.

It gives us a chance to attach a name to a face rather than just a number.

We want to find self-motivated students and not passive ones.

You don't have to network to get accepted but there are many students who wish they had. Including many who drop out. Especially those who don't have family members in health care.
OK. It seems though that one would have to network with the right people. AdCom members, Dean of Admissions, etc. So if I'm from NY for example and I'm interested in going to Duke but have yet to set foot in North Carolina, how would one accomplish such networking (and get my face in front of them) ?

It doesn't really seem practical to be able to network with the actual decision makers in any meaningful way. I guess you could cold call and ask some questions. Or email and try to strike up some conversation that way. Send a photo ? Seems clunky to me.

IMO, if you have a strong enough package and apply broadly, this networking may be unnecessary.

I admit, my opinion doesn't mean much but --- anecdotally --- I have not encountered current med students who did much of this.
 
Also, what is the extent of networking supposed to look like?
1. I know people at a couple of these schools (especially at my school) but that's about it.
2. I know the Dean of my college pretty well.
3. My strongest LOR (neuro professor) is an MD alum from one of the top schools and defo knows some people that can help.
It’s not like finance networking where you have to become chummy with the Dean or adcom members to get an interview. In finance, you’ll usually meet somebody over coffee for instance. Medicine networking is a little more formal/structured in that it takes place at conferences or events that are specially for students to get to know schools
 
Good chance at any school in the country

Remove

St. Louis
GWU
Penn state
Drexel
Tulane
Rosalind
Temple

Can replace with higher tier schools if you would like

You can remove Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Rosalind Franklin, Wake Forest since they may "yie;d protect" with your stats.
You could add any of these schools:
Washington University (in St. Louis)
Dartmouth
Brown
Hofstra
Einstein
Mount Sinai
Jefferson

Hmm I feel like my MCAT score is a little low compared to what these schools are looking for. Could I get yield protected off GPA only?
 
Hmm I feel like my MCAT score is a little low compared to what these schools are looking for. Could I get yield protected off GPA only?
Yes, The AMCAS GPA-MCAT grid for African American applicants shows that there are only 100 applicants per year with a GPA above 3.8 and a MCAT of 508 or higher. There are over 150 MD schools. So the top 30 schools are all competing to have an average of 3 of those applicants in their 1st year class.
 
OK. It seems though that one would have to network with the right people. AdCom members, Dean of Admissions, etc. So if I'm from NY for example and I'm interested in going to Duke but have yet to set foot in North Carolina, how would one accomplish such networking (and get my face in front of them) ?

It doesn't really seem practical to be able to network with the actual decision makers in any meaningful way. I guess you could cold call and ask some questions. Or email and try to strike up some conversation that way. Send a photo ? Seems clunky to me.

IMO, if you have a strong enough package and apply broadly, this networking may be unnecessary.

I admit, my opinion doesn't mean much but --- anecdotally --- I have not encountered current med students who did much of this.
Being on the other side of the recruitment table, there's plenty you can do. It's true the processes are definitely set up to isolate any applicant from networking with actual decision-makers in medical admissions given the way decisions are actually made, but you can network with people who can be influential in that process (i.e., admissions professionals, faculty deans, students serving in leadership roles).

Networking isn't that hard thanks to the good ol' Internet. In fact, we want you to reach out. For nuts and bolts on how to network, you can start by asking your career services offices to give you some fundamental pointers and tips (not to mention again searching the internet). We even have people on SDN that attend or used to attend certain schools of interest.

But the interesting point is how you can interact in a meaningful way. My question is if you don't know why you feel you want to apply to a specific school, you'll never get a meaningful conversation. If you just want to know how to get into a T20 school, your questions (when asked to me as an admissions recruiter) are going to tell me how invested you really are and how meaningful the conversation is really going to be.

A lot of med students don't know much about how to do this, and that's why they need so much help with residency interviews and applications IMHO. I shouldn't be shocked but I had students come to me to show them how to write up a resume for residency interviews/applications... referred by their faculty advisors, mind you.

That said, I acknowledge it's not a requirement. We admissions folks like to espouse "holistic admisssions" and "getting to know the person" so much, but when the results come in that applicants get admitted with very little engagement or conversation prior to or during the process (except for interview days), then the only way adcoms really know you is as a set of numbers and data, and we shouldn't be surprised if applicants don't believe that admissions uses "holistic review" at all.

But networking and building relationships is what will help you get noticed, mentored, and promoted (including articles in professional society magazines). In the end, if you want to stand out later as a professional vying for chief resident or being on a leadership board, you need to develop these skills throughout your career journey.
 
Yes, The AMCAS GPA-MCAT grid for African American applicants shows that there are only 100 applicants per year with a GPA above 3.8 and a MCAT of 508 or higher. There are over 150 MD schools. So the top 30 schools are all competing to have an average of 3 of those applicants in their 1st year class.
I'm also putting in an asterisk since I don't think the A-26 grid has been updated to include incoming classes through 2020 yet (?), the last two years have seen an increased representation of Black incoming students to medical school, and the COVID-19 pandemic also may have influenced this. This also does not include any Black applicants in AACOMAS. We also will see how more available seats affects this (new MD and DO schools coming online). If you take out the HBCU classes and presume over 80% are Black matriculants at those schools (don't have my calculator handy, sorry), the number of available Black applicants for non-HBCU med schools is likely even smaller. Yes, those of us in admissions knows how tough that battle is, and we leverage all of our available institutional resources to recruit and admit good Black applicants.
 
It’s not like finance networking where you have to become chummy with the Dean or adcom members to get an interview. In finance, you’ll usually meet somebody over coffee for instance. Medicine networking is a little more formal/structured in that it takes place at conferences or events that are specially for students to get to know schools
Virtual fairs and contact cards are great things. Take a virtual tour on our website and fill out a contact card saying you want more info. Admissions offices are leaving breadcrumbs everywhere; that's where a good chunk of your supplemental fees help with (the rest is lunch on your interview days).
 
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