WAMC for New York City residencies as an out-of-state applicant?

[IndieFranco]

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[comp1]

This is a kind of weird list. Do you want to live in California or in NYC? Remember, you're statistically going to live where you match for the rest of your life. It's not like med school where something automatically drags you away afterwards. You stay there. And if you're really that competitive to be considering UCSF or UCLA, do you want to live in the Bay Area or SoCal? They're pretty different. It's a lot easier to move within a state, but still not super likely post graduation. I'm also not sure I'd call UCI "suburban." Remember, the hospital isn't in Irvine. It's in Orange which is next to...Santa Ana. Ultimately, I'd say focus on where you want to live geographically and readjust half this list. If hardcore urban
(not sure what that means to you) is super important, there's a lot more programs in Los Angeles. Similarly, there's a lot more in NYC.

 

[Orgone]

This is a kind of weird list. Do you want to live in California or in NYC? Remember, you're statistically going to live where you match for the rest of your life. It's not like med school where something automatically drags you away afterwards. You stay there. And if you're really that competitive to be considering UCSF or UCLA, do you want to live in the Bay Area or SoCal? They're pretty different. It's a lot easier to move within a state, but still not super likely post graduation. I'm also not sure I'd call UCI "suburban." Remember, the hospital isn't in Irvine. It's in Orange which is next to...Santa Ana. Ultimately, I'd say focus on where you want to live geographically and readjust half this list. If hardcore urban
(not sure what that means to you) is super important, there's a lot more programs in Los Angeles. Similarly, there's a lot more in NYC.

Hmmm, looks a lot like my list. Lots of people like both NYC and CA. I trained in one, and now live in the other, and have seen many others do the same. And as for Irvine and Orange County generally, I'd say it's all in the eye of the beholder. To a dedicated "urbanist" it is definitely suburban. To Sushirolls it is an urban hellscape. I interviewed there, my mental picture of the main campus is definitely suburban, lots of massive strip malls all around.

But big picture I agree to make sure list reflects where you want to live, and apply broadly in those areas. As to OP's actual question I have no opinion since I don't even know what this "signaling" business is all about. Kids these days.

 

[comp1]

I just don't get considering both NYC and SoCal. They're so different culturally, transportation wise and well, the weather. Heck even the drugs are different with meth versus opiates. There's strip malls around Harbor-UCLA too, if that's what separates urban from suburban. I did really like that residency on interview though and probably ranked it higher than UCI. That said, I'm also old and don't know how the program is currently or what signaling is.

 

[Stagg737]

I just don't get considering both NYC and SoCal. They're so different culturally, transportation wise and well, the weather. Heck even the drugs are different with meth versus opiates. There's strip malls around Harbor-UCLA too, if that's what separates urban from suburban. I did really like that residency on interview though and probably ranked it higher than UCI. That said, I'm also old and don't know how the program is currently or what signaling is.

Sounds like OP just wants to live in a large, liberal city in a liberal state near a coast. NYC, LA, and SF check all those boxes.

 

[FatherPsychiatry]

I don't know the dynamics of signaling and how all that works (I'm old), but I did residency at one of your top 5 programs and fellowship in another of your top 5. We never officially prioritized locals over out of staters, but subjectively we had sympathy for applicants that wanted to "come back" to California. I suppose the old school "signaling" was to do a Sub-I in the program because we really pumped up people on the rank list that were hard-working and nice to be around on their Sub-I. I can't speak to UCSF, but I think you'll have a good shot at attention from the UCLA and USC programs (the Keck/LAGMC split is new so not sure how that will work).

Also, I'm curious why you don't have UCLA-Olive View on your list - if anything, I'd say that program is more similar your #1, than Harbor-UCLA is. In the Olive View residency, you do rotate through UCLA-NPI, whereas at Harbor-UCLA, you never go to NPI unless its for electives.

 

[comp1]

I assume Olive View appeared too "suburban" for the OP. I mean there's trees visible from the hospital (although not olive trees.) I also liked Olive View when I interviewed there, particularly the VA integration, but I think I still ranked Harbor higher because the psych ED was just too cool.

 

[FatherPsychiatry]

I assume Olive View appeared too "suburban" for the OP.

Yeah maybe OP has different ideas about what "suburban" means than a lot of us. I wouldn't call UC Irvine Suburban either. FWIW, a lot of the OVMC residents (back when it was more the SFV - VA program) lived in West LA (Westwood, Brentwood, Santa Monica etc) so maybe that might help OP.