Western vs. LECOM-Bradenton: Your Thoughts

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Hey Everyone, I got accepted to Western/COMP in Pomona, CA, and LECOM-Bradenton in Bradenton, FL. Anybody have any suggestions as to the pros/cons of each place? I like the PBL of Bradenton, but I also like the strength of Western's rotations in Southern California. Both have great weather. Anyways, I like both schools a lot, so what would you do if you were faced with this choice and why? :luck:
 
seev99 said:
Hey Everyone, I got accepted to Western/COMP in Pomona, CA, and LECOM-Bradenton in Bradenton, FL. Anybody have any suggestions as to the pros/cons of each place? I like the PBL of Bradenton, but I also like the strength of Western's rotations in Southern California. Both have great weather. Anyways, I like both schools a lot, so what would you do if you were faced with this choice and why? :luck:


As an MSI at LECOM-B, I would suggest evaluating yourown personal study preferences..i.e do you like to study with others in a group? Are you a procrastinator or a self-motivator? Do you prefer lectures, or group discussion?
I am assuming you have done research into what PBL entails and the pro's and cons. I am always cautious as to how I word my posts as any slip up could turn this post into a "which school is better" post, so I will give a couple of basic pro's and con's of PBL and LECOM-B in general

1. Little time in lecture (except the first semester)- Most of the time outside of class is devoted to studying learning issues as decided on by the group as a whole at the end of each case. These learning issues are to serve as the basis for the exam.
2. A great number of rotation sites in a variety of different states-I am assuming that LECOM gave you a list of sites, but we have had several additional hopistals added in Fl.
3. You have the opportunity to learn more than you would in lecture. When studying all the learning issues, you may encounter information deemed irrelevant in lectures but may appear on board exams. The learning issues force you to study as much as humanly possible about the subject as you don't have primary objectives. I see this as a bonus.
4. Board scores- I know this seems to be controversial to some, but PBL, according to the infamous anatomist Dr. Kreuger, has been shown to produce higher COMLEX scores as opposed to those in the other path's (LDP and IND) at LECOM-Erie. Again, this is data that Dr. Kreuger presented to us as a class.
5. As a group with a facilitator, you have the opportunity to learn other aspects of basic sciences you may not have encountered in your personal study, from others in your group.

Con's
1. A new school, as so, we need to prove ourselves, which I think we will have no prblem with.
2. If you need direction and objectives, i.e. you like lectures, PBL would not be a good choice.
3. Deciding what is important when you are studying, and what is not. You have such a volume of information to study that picking up the important issues is a matter of what you deem important. I have used additional guides(such as BRS, HY, First Aid), as a vast majority of our students have, to help with the outline in studying.

Finally, I am extremely happy with LECOM0-B but as all first year schools go, you have to be willing to work through a few bumps. We have delt with the vast majority of them and the second class should have little problem with any additional bumps. COMP is a great school, good rotations, but I love PBL, the independence and clinical incorporation of the basic sciences we see everyday. Hope this helps a tad.
 
seev99 said:
Hey Everyone, I got accepted to Western/COMP in Pomona, CA, and LECOM-Bradenton in Bradenton, FL. Anybody have any suggestions as to the pros/cons of each place? I like the PBL of Bradenton, but I also like the strength of Western's rotations in Southern California. Both have great weather. Anyways, I like both schools a lot, so what would you do if you were faced with this choice and why? :luck:


I would go for cali man..just cause of the area and its such a great state to live in plus the school has a better rep and been there longer
 
First. Be thankful for having the ability to choose.
Personally, I would probably die before Id live in "Cal-ee-fourn-eah", but thats prob. bc Im from the south. Culture shock, argh! My 2 cents. Bradenton looks sweet! Don't base your decision on this though. I would look at residency placement lists (if available) and affiliated residencies in the areas you are looking at (I think LECOM has a good # of these, look at their website or talk to some administrative people)
good luck.
 
Everything Mickdogg said about LECOM-FL is right on.
The variety of clinical sites LECOM offers is one of the great things about the school. I would venture to say that as a LECOM student, one has the widest opportunity vis-a-vis clinical site location/type. There are somewhere around 80 affiliated hospitals in PA, MI, OH, NY, NJ, GA, and FL - among these are some of the biggest and best osteopathic training hospitals in the country such as Garden City, Henry Ford, Botsford, Cuyahoga Falls...
The location of the school itself is great too. Lakewood Ranch/Sarasota is an area of the beautiful Gulf Coast with booming growth.
There were some "bumps" as mickdogg said this first year, but they are being taken care of, and by next year I expect things to be pretty smooth. Regardless, I'm confident in the education we are getting.
 
yeah i'm leaning towards lecom-bradenton b/c of the curriculum and because the students are all excited about the school and the program...most of the western students seem to view the first two years as a chore and something that you just have to get through, seems like even if it's in cali, you won't have time to enjoy it...at least at bradenton lake lecom is right in front of the library...any western students out there with a different perspective??
 
seev99 said:
yeah i'm leaning towards lecom-bradenton b/c of the curriculum and because the students are all excited about the school and the program...most of the western students seem to view the first two years as a chore and something that you just have to get through, seems like even if it's in cali, you won't have time to enjoy it...at least at bradenton lake lecom is right in front of the library...any western students out there with a different perspective??


Your perspective is aboslutely correct. At Western, the first two years are only a chore and we have no time to enjoy cali. Besides, at bradenton lake lecom is right in front of the library. Good luck to you at bradenton. With its great curriculum and reputation, I'm sure LECOM-Bradenton will help you get into a residency program of your choice and onto a start of a great future.
 
I cannot speak for Western, but I am a first year at Lecom-bradenton and I could not be any happier with my decision. PBL is terrific and the professors are amazing. Best decision I ever made.
 
Go with Western. I think deep down inside, you know you prefer the strengths of Western but you want people to speak out against some of the rumors and complaints that you've heard, namely the difficulty of the curriculum in its first two years(but chore though?). Don't worry, you'll do fine and shine. Otherwise, you know you've heard all the good talking about its clinical years and all the competitive places that its graduates get into. It will do you right as well.
 
my .02 is that western would be the better choice. You wouldn't really have to move during rotations and the school has been around a long time. LECOM started in I believe 92'. Its still a young school in the who scheme of things. I know a lot of Western graduates that have gone on to good things...

You can't take away FLECOM's (I love that name 🙂 ) enthusiam. I think if they are happy thats awesome but if it were me and my decision I would look closely at what you wanted from a school and rotation sites. Remember LA is a big place and has a lot of good hospitals there.
 
Being from S. Cali and a first year at LECOM-B, I am enjoying the smog-free lower cost of living, temperate weather and warm waters of the gulf more than LA's weather, traffic and cold water beaches (with sharks!).

Being a single girl, I miss the clubs and bars of LA packed with beautiful people and am having trouble meeting guys under 65 around here without having to drive an hour to Tampa. At the same time, I'm in med school and that is reward enough for hard work, I can always party later.

At LECOM-B, the PBL schedule is awesome and does allow me a lot of free time to get out and de-stress, whether it is through exercise or partying. And, yes I am getting good grades and no its not an easy school, I just work hard/play hard.

We don't have to move for rotations though ... we have plenty of hospitals around here and they are constantly adding more. I do want to go back to CA but it matters where I get my residency more.

And, this area is one of the top areas in the country for property value increases ... verifiable on any search engine. If I bought a house now I could stay here for four years and gain enough equity to pay off at least one year of med school!! With our school loans as income, we can qualify for a no-documentation home loan and buy a house with about 5-10% down.

Other things that are important to me are curriculum, facilities, safety and receptiveness of faculty - all of which are amazing!!

Our curriculum ROCKS! No more lecture after anatomy. Student-led discussion in PBL. Small groups where those jerky people can be outed and their stinky personality hurts their grade. They learn to either change or keep things to themselves because they can't get away with it anymore.

Facilities - brand new, clean, beautiful. No cafeteria food but I like to eat out anyway. Anatomy thankfully a ten-week block, the cadavers made me nauseated for hours afterwards. We are not allowed to eat or drink in class and guess what? You can't eat or drink in patient areas in hospitals either. The Ferrettis just built a $25 million school and want to keep it clean. If you saw how nice it is, you wouldn't blame them.

Safety - I feel extremely safe in Sarasota, which still has its crime but I'm not worried about walking to my car late at night as we have cameras and a security guard. I'm also not worried about anything being stolen out of my car. Or my car being stolen ... more than I can say about LA, sorry!

Cost of living - lower than CA, still not cheap.

The whole aspect of having to prove ourselves is kind of a moot point now. LECOM-Erie is accredited, it has produced many wonderful doctors over the last ten-twelve years and many of our prof's are from there so they're just doing it again down here. I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone but the COMLEX and the USMLE and with PBL they will both bow to me! 😛

Western is in a cute area tho ... near Scripps/Pomona/Mudd colleges. And, I would have been closer to my friends and family but I can go back in a year anyway!! 😀
 
Lets Just Tell it like it is, Lecom-Bradenton is the best!
 
Fourth year from Western here:

1. I think that ties to regions are an issue, unfortunately, so if you think you want to do Residency in So. Cal, Western would be better.
2. I am from South(Texas), and I probably would have fit right in at LECOM-Bradenton, but I've managed to make great friends at Western.
3. There are some great rotation sites affiliated with Western, and yes I'm sure there are some good ones in FL too.
4. I think the PBL is a good idea...because its hard to remember all the junk from the first two years once you are on clinical rotations, and I think PBL is interesting and I wish I could sit in on a session to see what its like....so like the above poster, depends on your learning style. I actually learn better on my own, so I skipped out on a lot of classes at Western. 😴
5. I have gotten sick of traffic, high cost of living, and $2.40/gallon of gas so that could be a plus
6. Had LECOM-Bradenton been around when I applied I would have defnitely at least applied there, b/c its about 1 hr away from close relatives, and the rest of my family lives in the Southeast.
7. Last, but definitely not least............DR. LEO RULES!!!!!!!!!!! 👍

So, overall it depends on where you want to live, where you want to train(residency), and what kind of learning style fits you best. I wouldn't read any more into it than that.
 
One thing that can be said for Western is that even though they are a lecture based school, attendance is not manditory. There are only 2 classes/week (about 6hrs) of manditory attendance. The rest can be done at any place you want. There is an excellant transcription service that allows you to listen to the lecture from your computer. You can even speed it up and listen 2x speed so you don't have spend all that time. Some people I know live out in huntington beach and get most of their reading done there too, you just have to be very self motivated to succeed doing this (just like PBL).

The curriculum for next year is also changing so that the amount of hours in class will be cut in half. The first semester is also much better organized and looks to be more manageable. Overall, I think COMP is moving in the right direction curriculum wise so this is something to consider.
 
you should see Western's match list this year. I was really pleasantly surprised!
 
Hey guys,

I really enjoy Western because the hospitals are great. They serve underserved communities and make it a point to immerse you within the community from the get-go.

There are a number of clinics you can do on the weekends around the area of Pomona (a pretty medically underserved area) where you can practice your medical spanish and start to get good training...

The curriculum is hard...but good. PBL makes class easier, but studies show that students in PBL med schools dont do well on boards. This why Western has decided to keep the lecture style curriculum. The lectures at Western are not optional, but they certainly dont make you go.

And also, checkout the 2005 match list...its AWESOME! 🙂

GO WESTERNU!!!
 
Thanks for everyone's thoughtful and detailed resonses! I have decided to attend LECOM-Bradenton. I was very impressed with Western's Match Results for this year and the previous years as well, so it was a tough decision. I was cautious about looking too much into the Match List however, because it seems like nearly everyone who goes to Western has the same schools/programs in mind to Match at. Therefore, there will be a lot of intra-class competition to get USC and all those So. Cal programs. So I figure that in the end, it will come down to Board scores and GPA; just like for Medical School admission. I do feel that the Rotations were a big advantage for Western, but LECOM-Bradenton has made some affiliations with the same hospitals that Western students rotate at, and are continuing to expand the list. So basically it came down to the ultimate difference between the two schools--PBL vs. Lecture. I've decided to go with the PBL because I feel it is a very innovative and efficient way to learn. I mean I like to talk in class, and now talking is actually part of class! Also, every student I have met and/or talked to about LECOM-Bradenton has been very enthusiastic, happy, and not stressed. Some Western students I have talked to seem to be stressed out quite a bit, and even recommeded me to choose another school! But that all really depends on who you ask and when you ask them. I also felt much safer in Bradenton, and the campus has a nice lake right in front of the library, called Lake Erie. It's pretty cool! Finally, I found out that Western's best teacher who had been there for about 10 years, Dr. Leo, left to join LECOM-Bradenton. This says a lot about the potential of PBL, that it can draw well-loved faculty from top schools. Thanks everyone for your comments. I am sure it helped and will help others with their decisions as well. I hope to work with some Western students during my rotations, so it is a win-win situation. Hopefully, somebody on Monday will be very happy to hear from Western, as I declined my seat there. Please keep the comments coming as they will help add perspective and constructive dialog about the whole process. Thanks again, and have a nice day!
 
Dre1207 said:
PBL makes class easier, but studies show that students in PBL med schools dont do well on boards.

This is patently false. Can you provide such studies?
 
PBL certainly may challenge student in more ways than just testing their recall and comprehension abilities, but not all students learn the same way and many will end up using lecture time to either study the material on their own or use other study methods that work best for them.

I think the curriculum is heading in the right direction and unnecessary hours have been decreasing over the last couple of years. Also, OP&P classes which are mandatory attendance and traditionally are Tues/Wed mornings may end up being shifted towards afternoons which would hopefully improve attendance and attention span for students who can't wake up early in the morning.
 
seev99 said:
Therefore, there will be a lot of intra-class competition to get USC and all those So. Cal programs. So I figure that in the end, it will come down to Board scores and GPA


Do you want to go to USC or a So. Cal program? Because you will still have to compete with Western U. students even though the competition is not "intra-class." I hope you don't think you might somehow stand out because you are not "intra-calss" with Western U students. Actually, you might "stand out" but I'm not sure if it's for the better. Given gpa/boards being euqal between a LECOM-B grad and a COMP grad, I think a USC residency director somehow won't favor novelty over years and years of familiarity and reputation. Residency programs are not like undergraduate admissions where an applicant from Alaska might be given an edge at USC over someone from LA. To be daring, I might even suggest that they would choose the COMP student over a LECOM-B student even if the COMP student has lower stats, not by a hopeless margin though

But you are right. It's important to pick a school where you feel comfortable so you can get that GPA/Board scores you were talking about so that you can really kill and there won't be a "with all things equal" situation.

Good luck.
 
Yeah it sucks to lose a great professor and educator such as Dr. Leo but in the grand scheme of things, its really not that important. He only taught 1 course in one system. It was an important class but in the grand scheme of things it really didn't make too much of a difference. More important than PBL or lecture is the actual clincial experiences you can get throughout school. This is where you get the skills you need to do well in your auditions and land the residency you want.
 
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