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I was wondering if someone can tell a second year Undergrad what all I need to do before applying to med school. And what is AMCAS? I see threads about it but i really cant find the answer that I am looking for. Also for the requirements before applying, can you be very descriptive? like for example, I really want to know when I should study for the MCAT, what my grades should look like, what AMACS is, and anything else I need to do for med school.

Thanks!
 
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yeah thanks.....im really not lazy. i was told to come here to find answers and it really helps when all i want is a detailed description of what i need to do from people who have already done it. I think it is pointless for me to search around for hrs on end to put all my answers together. so yeah thanks. can anyone else help me?
 
btw, your link says internet explorer cant display this page. thanks again for not helping.
 
Wow, I don't have that much time to write, but I suppose I will start us off here...

AMCAS is the application service you use to apply to MD schools (except the Texas schools I think they have their own application). It is kind of like one big general application where you select from a list which schools you want it sent to. It is done online and you can save your progree and return to it later. It includes basic biographical and geographical info, info about your parents/siblings, socioeconomic background, every college class you have ever taken (including your grades and what type of class it was like bio, langauge etc.), MCAT scores, your personal statement, and up to 15 "meaningful" activities (these can be involvement in clubs, jobs, volunteer experiences, leadership roles). It is very time consuming mosly because it is so detailed. Oh yea, there is a new section of AMCAS where your letter writers can upload or send their letters to AMCAS so AMCAS can then send them to the right schools. Not all schools are participating in this service, so it is helpful to create an account with Interfolio or Virtual Evals. You letter writers can upload their letters confidentially to these services, then you can select what letter goes to which school based on that schools particular requirements. You can't see the letters, but they all have titles so you know which one to choose.

I believe the online application becomes available May 1st, and the first day to submit it is June 1st. I HIGHLY HIGHLY SUGGEST SUBMITTING IT AS CLOSE TO JUNE 1ST AS POSSIBLE!! This process is so time consuming and lasts for about a year, so the sooner you get started the better. Some argue that schools are less stingy with their interviews/acceptances at first. Also, if your letter writers are behind, you don't need to wait for them to upload their letters onto the AMCAS app, you can send it in as along as everything else is complete and then complete the letters section later on.

Once you submit your AMCAS, it takes some time to process it. They check all your classes and make sure you completed that part correctly and didn't leave out any information. They will not proofread it!!!! You must do that on your own. After they process it, they will give you your overal GPA as well as your "BCPM" GPA (bio, chem, physics, and math). This number is basically all of your science classes. If you were a science major, it is probably pretty close to your overall GPA. If you were say, a business major, it could be different. It is a way for schools to evaluate how you did in your science classes b/c some people try to pad their GPA with easy classes.

In terms of GPAs, I have heard that a good, competitive GPA is 3.75 and a BCPM GPA around 3.65, 3.7( I believe this is around the average of accepted applicants). The best thing to do is to buy the AAMC Medical School Admission Requirements or MSAR in the spring of the year you are applying. You will use this book a ton b/c it has every MD schools info (Average MCAT scores, range of MCAT scores accepted the previous year, average GPA, average BCPM, required classes, suggested classes, how they use multiple MCAT scores, class breakdown by race and major and sex, how much their apps are, when their secondaries are due, and so much more). I think its about 25 dollars but it is so worth it. You order it off the AAMC website.

So, now your AMCAS app is verified, your letter writers are hopefully sending all their letters to interfolio/AMCAS/virtual evals, etc. This means you should ask for your letters early (maybe halfway through spring semester) to give them plenty of time to write and get them handed in. Every school has their own requirement for letters in terms of who they want them from. I suggest getting letters from:
at least 2 science profs (meaning BCMP) (FYI some schools don't consider psych a science class, some do)
at least 1 from non-science prof (psych, econ, business, whatever else)
one from your pre-med advisor (most schools require one from your advisor if you have on)
one from an employer or someone you volunteered for esp. medically related stuff
one from somebody who knows you on a more personal level
letters from physicians/nurses/PAs that you have shadowed or who know you

This should do it, but others please add if you came accross anything more. I would have them make sure to put their contact info like phone and email, put your name on every page in the corner with your AMCAS number, state specifically what class they had you in (if applicable), and state their title (like assistant prof, prof, md/do/pa, etc). Some schools are really picky about format and it is a pain to ask people to write letters again a different way.

Now AMCAS will send your application to each school you have indicated on your app. You can add schools later if you decide. The first school is $60 and then each additional school is $30. These schools recieve your app and they in turn will send you their own specific secondary application via email. Some schools have really easy secondaries where you pretty much just pay the fee and tell them if you have had relatives go to that school. Some schools will screen applicants to see if they want to send them a secondary (don't worry, most want the money and don't screen). Some schools will give you a certain number of weeks to complete the secondary once they have sent it. The price of sending in the secondary varies from about $40-$140. The schools will also give you information about what letters they want from you. They will tell you which ones you have to send in order to be considered (like 2 from science profs, 1 from advisor, etc.) and also how many total they will accept. Some have limits, some don't. If they don't have limits, I suggest sending all of your letters you have. It is their choice to read them or not. You want to get those secondaries done ASAP b/c after you send that in they will look at it and decide whether or not they want to interview you. Some have 10 short essays, some have 2 longer essays. THere is some repitition, but most times if you have the same question on 2 diff secondaries they will have different word limits or want you to talk specifically about why you want to go to their school. Be prepared to write a lot!

Most secondaries can be sent in electronically, but some schools still want you to send a paper copy. Some schools also want a passport-style photo of you in addition to your app. You can send that electronically or by snail mail.

After you send in the secondary, you spend a lot of time waiting. They school will notify you via email if they want to invite you to an interview. If they do, you schedule a date, buy a ticket and a suit, learn as much about the school as possible, practice interviewing, and head to the school.

After the interview they can accept you, put you on a waiting list, or reject you. It usually takes about 6 weeks to hear anything after an interview.

If you get multiple acceptances, you can accept at all schools until May 15th where you can only hold one acceptance. After that AMCAS will notify the schools if you are holding more than 1 and they can basically unaccept you. You can hold on to as many wait list positions as you want.


so that's the basics of AMCAS.

In terms of what classes you should take, this is what I would suggest:

physics (2 sem)
gen chem and o chem (2 sem each)
several bio classes (at least 2 sem)
genetics (1 sem)
physiology (1 sem)
anatomy (1 sem)
gross anatomy (1 sem)
social science or psych class (1 sem)
english comp and writing (2 sem)
calc (1 sem)
biochem (1 sem)
cell/molecular bio (1 sem)
microbiology (1 sem)

Schools have different requirements. Some require that you take a class, some recommend it. Gross anatomy (with cadavers) isn't required usually but it shows you are serious about learning and can work with cadavers. I received very positive feedback about having taken gross anatomy. Genetics usually isn't required as well, but I think it helped me on the MCAT. Your advisor should know what classes you should take, too. I would work on the physics, chem, and bio stuff before you take the MCAT b/c it will help you understand the test better.


When you study for the MCAT depends on when you are planning on applying. If you are not taking a year off, you will take the MCAT your junior year. Most people take it in the spring b/c you will have your scores by the time you apply. I would say give yourself AT LEAST a semester to study. It is so much information and strategy and you need plenty of time to practice and keep up with regular schoolwork. I would say give yourself a year, or start fall semester. You can take practice tests online, take a review course, buy books like exam krackers and study on your own, whatever works for you. I personally liked taking a review course b/c it made me manage my time and study. I couldn't come up with excuses to skip a night. THe most well known courses are Kaplan and Princeton Review. Kaplan focuses more on strategy and Princeton Review focuses more on reviewing content. I personally liked Kaplan better b/c I needed more help with strategy and getting the computer practice. You will also need to read up on current events b/c it really helps for the essay section. I believe the average for accepted applicants is a 30-31 O-P. The test is out of 45 and the main sections are:

Biology and O-chem ( out of 15)
Physics and Gen Chem (out of 15)
Verbal Reasoning (out of 15)
Essay section (letter assigned- further along the alphabet the better)

I will try to write more later about the MCAT but I hope this gets you started a bit!
 
I was wondering if someone can tell a second year Undergrad what all I need to do before applying to med school.

If you are just finishing your second year, you should definitely meet with the health careers/pre-med advisor at your school to plan your application process.

In the meantime, use the Google. It's better than waiting for useful replies to trickle into this thread.
 
i know. which i whay i wanted someone to help me with everything i needed so that i can help everyone else. can anyones else add to this?
thanks
 
yeah thanks.....im really not lazy. i was told to come here to find answers and it really helps when all i want is a detailed description of what i need to do from people who have already done it. I think it is pointless for me to search around for hrs on end to put all my answers together. so yeah thanks. can anyone else help me?

btw, your link says internet explorer cant display this page. thanks again for not helping.

If you come into a forum admitting that you're too lazy to use the search function, and then immediately start demanding information, don't expect a lot of help.
 
do you know how many threads i would have to read through just to get my answer? do you know how much more helpful it is if one thread said it all? i guess not.....
 
if anyone who is not going to help with this thread...dont waste your time and not reply. thanks
 
I hate to be lazy, but I am so busy with work and school (sorry I know everyone here has the same I bet) that I really have no time to search the threads. I was wondering if someone can tell a second year Undergrad what all I need to do before applying to med school. And what is AMACS? I see threads about it but i really cant find the answer that I am looking for. Also for the requirements before applying, can you be very descriptive? like for example, I really want to know when I should study for the MCAT, what my grades should look like, what AMACS is, and anything else I need to do for med school.

Thanks!

An attitude like this will not be very helpful, Sikandar. We are all busy; Do not start a post essentailly saying 'I am too busy to type or use my brain or read myself, so I will let you idiots who have nothing else to do in your life do all the work for me; Now go to work, you miserable creatures'

SDNers are amazing people who love to help fellow premeds; but with your attitude, not many will be willing to spend their time answering your questions. Thank Maymee who was kind enough to spend 30+ minutes typing what you could have easily found by a simple google search of 'how to get into medical school';
 
Wow, I don't have that much time to write, but I suppose I will start us off here...

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I will try to write more later about the MCAT but I hope this gets you started a bit!

All this is really good information and should get you started, unless you have another more specific question?
 
yeah your right. i guess it is wrong of me only to tell the truth. thank u for helping me.
 
Wow OP, I'm surprised you even got one authentic response after you storm in here like a gigantic tool. Maymee, you're a better person than I am 🙂
 
is there any way to delete all the useless reponses. i needed help and i got it from someone. the rest of you are being jerks. seriously DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS HELPFUL INFORMATION. i only need help not a bunch of comments were i only have jerks reply. for those of you who have helped, THANK YOU!!!
 
The OP reminds me of premeddiva. Remember her?
 
if anyone who is not going to help with this thread...dont waste your time and not reply. thanks

Like a talented doctor once said
all we hear from you is "I'm a tool. I'm a tool. I'm a tool. I'm a tool"
 
is there any way to delete all the useless reponses. i needed help and i got it from someone. the rest of you are being jerks. seriously DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD UNLESS IT IS HELPFUL INFORMATION. i only need help not a bunch of comments were i only have jerks reply. for those of you who have helped, THANK YOU!!!

Sikander FTW! 🤣
 
Threads like this with people like him generally donot end well.
 
Hi OP,

I think the information that Maymee gave you was excellent. The only things I would add are:

1. Get a copy of the MSAR (Medical school admissions requirements) to figure out which schools you're competitive for, and to get a general idea about the requirements and scores that a particular school is looking for. The book is ~ 20 bucks, or you can usually borrow a copy from your school's premed advising office (if you have one).

2. Check SDN for the secondary prompts from the previous year. I found this to be incredibly useful because I was able to start working on my secondaries before I even received them. After a while, the prompts start to repeat and you can just recycle your responses.

3. Check SDN for interview feedback once you start getting interviews. These responses help prepare you for specific questions a school might ask during your interview. It comes in handy for schools that have a particular focus on ethics/healthcare/etc.

That's all I can think of for now. Let me know if you have specific questions about the process.

For the record, I don't think your question was incredibly tool-ish, but I think the majority of resposes were. Overall, SDNers are not "amazing people who love to help premeds (some are, but the majority aren't)," they're usually just d-bags.
 
2. Check SDN for the secondary prompts from the previous year. I found this to be incredibly useful because I was able to start working on my secondaries before I even received them. After a while, the prompts start to repeat and you can just recycle your responses.

3. Check SDN for interview feedback once you start getting interviews. These responses help prepare you for specific questions a school might ask during your interview. It comes in handy for schools that have a particular focus on ethics/healthcare/etc.

except he's too busy to do any of them. could you give him a summary of the interview feedback and the secondary prompts?
 
Hi OP,

I think the information that Maymee gave you was excellent. The only things I would add are:

1. Get a copy of the MSAR (Medical school admissions requirements) to figure out which schools you're competitive for, and to get a general idea about the requirements and scores that a particular school is looking for. The book is ~ 20 bucks, or you can usually borrow a copy from your school's premed advising office (if you have one).

2. Check SDN for the secondary prompts from the previous year. I found this to be incredibly useful because I was able to start working on my secondaries before I even received them. After a while, the prompts start to repeat and you can just recycle your responses.

3. Check SDN for interview feedback once you start getting interviews. These responses help prepare you for specific questions a school might ask during your interview. It comes in handy for schools that have a particular focus on ethics/healthcare/etc.

That's all I can think of for now. Let me know if you have specific questions about the process.

For the record, I don't think your question was incredibly tool-ish, but I think the majority of resposes were. Overall, SDNers are not "amazing people who love to help premeds (some are, but the majority aren't)," they're usually just d-bags.


No, the question wasn't. I actually thought about replying when I first read it. But the presentation...the presentation was just...just awful
 
For the record, I don't think your question was incredibly tool-ish, but I think the majority of resposes were. Overall, SDNers are not "amazing people who love to help premeds (some are, but the majority aren't)," they're usually just d-bags.

Wrong, the OP could not even bother to google AMCAS. Seriously if you cannot use google, then that is the epitome of laziness. The sense of entitlement in the OP's post screams, "my time is worth more than yours, so please do this b1tch work for me while I do other things, thanks slaves."

Ohhh the OP is tired. Boo-f*king-hoo, who isn't? We all work our asses off, you're not special. We are lucky to have SDN as a resource, so use it. The response he's getting is exact what he deserves.

By the way, the OP changed his/her original post to sound more diplomatic, but NeuroChaos quoted the original in post #13.
 
maymee3, that was an incredibly informative post and will help a lot of people.
 
Also, anyone who posts useful information on this thread is either wasting their time helping a troll, if that's what the OP is, or enabling epic laziness, if the OP is not a troll.
 
Sikandar,

its never a good idea to use your real name on a forum.

just a suggestion.
 
Sikandar, r u a girl or a guy? Me likes ur attitude, but only if u swing me way 😉
 
do you know how many threads i would have to read through just to get my answer? do you know how much more helpful it is if one thread said it all? i guess not.....
And so instead of you doing the work, you would rather someone else do the work for you and type it out. That makes a lot of sense. If you ever do apply, you should make sure to include a part in your personal statement about how you are too lazy to work for yourself and would rather have someone else do the work for you.
 
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